CASA to Licence All Drones.....

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

From today's CASA bulletin....
'Registration for recreational drones is scheduled for 2022. There are a range of safety benefits in having all drones registered and drone pilots either licensed or accredited."

Note the 'all' drones......all of those 'toy shops' and various 'market' stalls, are they going to be busy with 'paperwork'.?
Will they have to notify CASA of all drone sales customers' names and addresses?
I wonder just what lies in store for 'little Johnny's toy drone'?

Does the same apply to 'Little Johnny's R/C model aeroplane'?

Good idea / bad idea.....?

[Office Update]

A good little money earner!
Commercial drone operators to pay an annual fee based upon the cost of their AOC; similar in structure to the G.A and Airline industry.
Private drone operator's? let's screw them well and truly. An annual fee equivalent to processing an applicant for a medical renewal but annually.
We could employ at least 500 people at CASA to police this. Mum and Dad will be held liable for their 10 year old's drone operation.
The money earning potential is enormous!

[Squawk7700]

Last check it was for 250 grams plus, so a new DJI mini would be excluded, however a lot are included!

[Lead Balloon]

There is draft legislation that, if passed, will impose an “unmanned aircraft levy” ($$) on model aircraft as well as RPA, when applying for them to be registered under CASR. Best to get your submission in soon: https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Rural_and_Regional_Affairs_and_Transport/UnmannedAircraftBills

The “benefits” of registration of recreational drones and model aircraft will include $$ for CASA.

[aroa]

Yep, the creche needs funds to pay for the chair 'drones', busy thinking up ways to suck money out of this new industry.of flying drones..How about some rego for remotely controlled toy cars !
The "safety" benefits are....????
Yes, there needs to be some rules, hopefully as the years roll by not a train load leading to destruction just like GA. History will repeat itself ..these people havent learned anything.
.99.9% of ordinary folk will follow the simple instructions to keep clear of people and buildings, airstrips and airspace. Rego'd or not there will always be the odd wally does what they want.
In Bureaucratalia of course. the plebs must be told how to everything and anything all under fees and 'permissions'.
Land of the free? Baaa Humbug.

[machtuk]

Way of the future, get used to more and more control, we are seeing it pretty bad ATM!

[harrryw]

Way of the future, get used to more and more control, we are seeing it pretty bad ATM!
ATM seems right that is how CASA sees people. They are worse than taxi drivers at airports in distant countries,

[compressor stall]

And how many hundreds of thousands of dollars to write legislation to define the difference between drone and a RC aircraft / helicopter....?

[SkewedFlaps]

absolute joke. i had to pay 800 bucks to get permission to fly a toy basically to do a job within 3NM of a controlled airport... at 100ft...

[djpil]

Last check it was for 250 grams plus .... a lot are included!My grandson was given (not by me) a drone so I will get him to call CASA who can explain the rules and process to a 6 year old.

[Checklist Charlie]

call CASA who can explain the rules and process to a 6 year old.
He'll probably understand considering some of CAsA's Regs, rules and advisory documentation appears to have been written by a 6 year old.
That is until they became lawyers.

CC

[Andy_G]

Well, its not all doom and gloom (yet), but yes, things are getting much more prescriptive now.

Drone registration and operator accreditation are now open
30 September 2020Drone registration and operator accreditation are now open for drones or remotely piloted aircraft (RPA) flown for business or as part of your job – no matter how much it weighs.

Registration is free and valid for 12 months.

Some drones don’t need to be registered. This applies if:

you don’t intend to fly your drone
you’re only flying for sport or recreation (https://www.casa.gov.au/knowyourdrone/registration-and-accreditation), including model aircraft flown at CASA-approved model airfields.

Operator accreditation is free and valid for three years.

You do not need an operator accreditation if:

you have a remote pilot licence (RePL) (https://www.casa.gov.au/drones/remote-pilot-licence)
you’re only flying for sport or recreation (https://www.casa.gov.au/knowyourdrone/registration-and-accreditation), including model aircraft association members flying at CASA-approved model airfields.

Get accredited. Register your drone.

For more information, go to:

Drone registration (https://www.casa.gov.au/drones/register)
Operator accreditation (https://www.casa.gov.au/drones/accreditation).




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExGAxQmfo3I

[machtuk]

A lot of people fly toy plans on their own properties, will be interesting to see if CASA screw them over too!

[Runaway Gun]

Business client told me that I had to get permission to fly over anyone's property - because they 'owned the airspace above'.

"How high?"

"All the way..."

"So do you think QANTAS telephones every property owner for permission to overfly?"

[Stickshift3000]

Business client told me that I had to get permission to fly over anyone's property - because they 'owned the airspace above'.

That's absurd!! :ugh:

[Stickshift3000]

You do not need an operator accreditation if:

you’re only flying for sport or recreation (https://www.casa.gov.au/knowyourdrone/registration-and-accreditation), including model aircraft association members flying at CASA-approved model airfields.

Source: https://www.casa.gov.au/knowyourdrone/registration-and-accreditation
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Just when I thought the aviation regulator could not get any more ridiculous! :eek: :(

[Stationair8]

Next CASA, will want us to register our Airfix model kits!

[josephfeatherweight]

Some drones don’t need to be registered. This applies if:

you don’t intend to fly your drone



Perfect! Who dreams up this stuff?? :ugh:

[machtuk]

This is CASA on a pole!
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1232x1165/image_51e35141e0ea151fe59e703440d4874097f214c4.jpeg

[Sunfish]

What about the use of drones in agriculture? Fence line and water point inspection are supposed to be the coming major uses. I don’t think farmers are going to take kindly to the registration idea......still less to the inevitably inflating annual registration fees.

You might as well require refrigerators to be registered for all the good this will do.

[KittyKatKaper]

The "Explanatory Memorandum" in the
"CIVIL AVIATION (UNMANNED AIRCRAFT LEVY) BILL 2020
CIVIL AVIATION AMENDMENT (UNMANNED AIRCRAFT LEVY COLLECTION
AND PAYMENT) BILL 2020"

has the following

"In line with the Australian Government Charging Framework, registration of RPA (and, from
2022, relevant model aircraft) is a cost recoverable activity. The purpose of the package of
legislation is to ensure that commercial and professional users of RPA contribute to the cost
of program administration and regulation in order to maintain the integrity and fiscal
sustainability of the program over the long term."

but the

"Civil Aviation (Unmanned Aircraft Levy)
Bill 2020
No. , 2020
(Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Communications)
A Bill for an Act to impose unmanned aircraft levy,
and for related purposes"

makes no mention of 'commercial and professional users'.

[Lead Balloon]

[The Bill imposing levy] makes no mention of 'commercial and professional users'.Correct.

However...

The levy is payable on applying for registration of an aircraft as an RPA or model aircraft (or under Part 101 MOS for permission to operate a foreign-registered RPA or model aircraft). So if you don’t apply, the levy won’t be payable.

I suspect that initially the registration rules will require only ‘commercial and professional users’ to register RPA and model aircraft. Time will tell whether the registration requirement is extended to reach a broader range of RPA and model aircraft users ...

[thorn bird]

I hear that CAsA will shortly be asking for "Stakeholder" consultation for new rules regarding paper plane manufacturing, licensing and operation.

[Ascend Charlie]

Trees will be registered, for a fee, in case they are shredded and made into paper, which could perhaps find its way into the air, enroute to a rubbish bin or otherwise. Strict penalties apply.

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Here' a 'curly' one....

Will Real Estate agents be required to have an AOC if they use said drone for the purposes of taking aerial photo of property to be sold, for their advertising of such property..??
Seems to be a 'common practice' these days.

Hmmmm....Just curious is all.....

[Squawk7700]

Here' a 'curly' one....

Will Real Estate agents be required to have an AOC if they use said drone for the purposes of taking aerial photo of property to be sold, for their advertising of such property..??
Seems to be a 'common practice' these days.

Hmmmm....Just curious is all.....

Seemingly most agents are drone licensed these days. The courses are a box ticking exercise.

The general consensus of this is that if the agent does it themselves, then there is no AOC required, however if they were to pay someone else to do it, that is a different scenario that is AOC territory.

[Pinky the pilot]

Runaway Gun; Re the comment about landowners 'owning the airspace' above their properties;

According to a paper I once read which was supposedly written by a Lawyer, that concept is complete rubbish!!:=

A landowner has actually tried that one on the local gliding Club and was laughed out of the Office.

[Lead Balloon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_of_Leigh_v_Skyviews_%26_General_Ltd

[Squawk7700]

There was an article in the news today about this. CASA don’t prosecute for breaches of privacy and at best the police could go with would be trespassing or stalking proceedings, but unlikely to happen.

This was in relation to a drone filming a woman topless in her back yard.

[aroa]

Griffo... curly indeed..! Photography r 206. "commerce" !!, aerial vehicle instead of a crane or ladder etc
Its all about "safety" and keeping the kindergarten kiddies alive from falling objects.

CAsA had a go some years ago at Real Estate Co in Adelaide for using a drone for pics to use in their own advertising, ie in -house pvt pics...NOT for sale.
This is the sort of bureaucratic BS that we have allowed to get completely out of hand in Oz. & it has to stop.
How to do that is the problem.

[OZBUSDRIVER]

For hire or reward....so safety conscious is our CASA. Me smells something pertaining to airspace charges for commercial delivery outfits.

[PDR1]

FWIW - here in the UK any use of a drone or model aeroplane by or in support of a commercial operation (ie the usual "for hire or reward" thing) requires a form of Air Operator Certificate from the CAA.

But...

These AOCs are neither difficult nor expensive to obtain. The principle requirement is an agreed ops manual which defines the scope of operation and the procedures for ensuring minimal risk to third parties (distances within which other people must be informed etc). I have assisted three organisations in getting their certificates - one wildlife photographer, one specialist roofing contractor and one estate agent. Each was less than an hour's work.

PDR

[Stickshift3000]

FWIW - here in the UK any use of a drone or model aeroplane by or in support of a commercial operation (ie the usual "for hire or reward" thing) requires a form of Air Operator Certificate from the CAA.

These AOCs are neither difficult nor expensive to obtain. The principle requirement is an agreed ops manual which defines the scope of operation and the procedures for ensuring minimal risk to third parties (distances within which other people must be informed etc). I have assisted three organisations in getting their certificates - one wildlife photographer, one specialist roofing contractor and one estate agent. Each was less than an hour's work.

Commercial purposes are quite understandable.

But here CASA will be requiring drone registration for recreational purposes. If a child under 16 is flying (away from a CASA-approved model airfield) they must be supervised by an adult that holds registration...

[PDR1]

Yes, we have that too (even when on flying club sites), but only for over 250g models/drones. There was a fuss when it was first set up, but to be honest it's a pretty negligible effort increase. People have rarely been allowed to fly model aeroplanes in public parks, so I fail to see why drone flyers should assume they are somehow different.

Also worth remembering that (in the UK) the rules are only seriously strict for a drone/model which has a camera*. Those without a camera operate under much fewer constraints.

PDR

* Any sort of camera - stills or video, streaming or just recording to on-board storage, even if it's just part of an FPV system with no intent or capability to record the images. The CAP treats them all the same.

[Deaf]

This was an Australian drone
Synopsis Whilst performing a demonstration flight, the remote pilot lost control of the 95 kg Alauda Airspeeder Mk II scale demonstrator. After the loss of control had been confirmed by the remote pilot, the safety ‘kill switch’ was operated but had no effect. The Unmanned Aircraft then climbed to approximately 8,000 ft, entering controlled airspace at a holding point for flights arriving at Gatwick Airport, before its battery depleted and it fell to the ground. It crashed in a field of crops approximately 40 m from occupied houses and 700 m outside of its designated operating area. There were no injuries.

The AAIB found that the Alauda Airspeeder Mk II was not designed, built or tested to any recognisable standards and that its design and build quality were of a poor standard. The operator’s Operating Safety Case contained several statements that were shown to be untrue.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/602bb22f8fa8f50388f9f000/Alauda_Airspeeder_Mk_II_UAS_reg_na_03-21.pdf

[zanthrus]

Yeah nah CASA. Not going to happen for my kids $25 toy drone from Kmart. Stop wasting everyones time.

[Duck Pilot]

Don’t underestimate the technology, the time will come when you won’t be able to start unregistered drones, let alone fly then even in your kitchen cupboard in Australia.