Red on Red

[ORAC]

Tracking, tracking......

Russian Su-30SM crashes, said to have been shot down by Su-35 during dogfight training ? Alert 5 (http://alert5.com/2020/09/23/russian-su-30sm-crashes-said-to-have-been-shot-down-by-su-35-during-dogfight-training/)

Russian Su-30SM crashes, said to have been shot down by Su-35 during dogfight training

Russia’s Western Military District reports that a Su-30SM had crashed in the Tver region on Sept. 22 during a training flight. Both pilots were able to eject safely.

Later in the day, a post on Telegram said the jet has hit by cannon rounds fired from a Su-35 during dogfight training.

The rounds were not remove from the Su-35 and as the pilot pulled the trigger to record the kill, the cannon fired and hit the Su-30SM.

For more information, hit the Source below

Source (https://apostrophe.ua/news/world/ex-ussr/2020-09-22/zabyili-razryadit-pushku-v-rossii-istrebitel-sluchayno-podbil-boevoy-samolet/209935)

Source (https://www.interfax.ru/russia/728092)

[chevvron]

Are the salt mines still operating?
Sounds like they'll have a new 'worker' soon.

[Wensleydale]

Which opponent of Putin was flying in the first aircraft?

[NutLoose]

They are not doing well, they lost two Mig 29's in Libya as well

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36365/two-russian-mig-29s-have-crashed-in-libya-according-to-top-american-intel-official

[NutLoose]

Adding to ORAC's post

O/T. According to a buddy of mine from Russia, they just lost a SU-30 due to a friendly fire incident. Best info right now is that a bunch of SU -30s were playing "red air" during exercises against SU-35 and MIG-31s. At the end of the live fire portion of the exercise, the SU-35 had their missiles replaced with training rounds, but the cannon was still live. During BFM, the SU-35 driver apparently got into position for a simulated gun shot and ended up putting some holes in the SU-30. Pilots ejected successfully. Don't know enough about their systems to tell if it was the fault of the ground crew or the pilot should have flipped a switch to "practice" mode. Either way, everyone is alive. Which is good. However, as per Russian AirSpace Forces regs, whoever is judged to be at fault for the loss of the aircraft will have their wages garnished for the rest of their life to pay for it.

Cost of one SU-30 = 2,851,545,084 rubles. -Average monthly military salary in 2014 was 62,000 rubles. -So that is 45,992.6 years without interest. Da comrade, you're screwed.

:)

from the replies

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[Just This Once...]

Nothing wrong with their guns tracking or weapons harmonisation - a first-burst splash.

[Martin the Martian]

A kill is a kill...

[esscee]

Functional test carried out, "satis".

[Fortissimo]

Of course, we have never done anything like that in the RAF... https://theaviationgeekclub.com/former-raf-jaguar-pilot-tells-the-story-of-when-he-was-shot-down-by-a-raf-phantom-interceptor/

[Bob Viking]

Are you honestly trying to tell me that an RAF Phantom once shot down an RAF Jaguar at Bruggen?

This is totally new information.

I’m shocked. Shocked I tell you.

BV

[Airbubba]

Are you honestly trying to tell me that an RAF Phantom once shot down an RAF Jaguar at Bruggen?

This is totally new information.

I’m shocked. Shocked I tell you.

BV

And fantom has often told us of his his 'watch this' Harrier kill during airshow practice in Germany with his F-4 XV431.

Ok. enuff, enuff. You are all kids.
I claim XV431 as my own (although someone else was the ultimate unlucky one).
Anyone remember when that hooligan Harrier reversed into me in 1972? The verdict of the GCM was most unfortunate.
What became of the harrier person?

[havoc]

Shootdown: the death of the B-52 Ciudad Juarez (http://www.angelfire.com/dc/jinxx1/images/Shootdown.html)

[Timelord]

Similar thing happened to a couple of Dutch F16s detached to Lossie many years ago. They had been or were about to go strafing on Tain Range and so had loaded guns. With a bit of time / fuel to spare they decided to do a bit of 1 v 1 and the inevitable happened. One of them, I have a feeling it was the Sqn Cdr, had a nice neat hole in the fin. History does not record what happened to the miscreant although, being Dutch, they may well have promoted him.

[West Coast]

Shootdown: the death of the B-52 Ciudad Juarez (http://www.angelfire.com/dc/jinxx1/images/Shootdown.html)

Thanks Havoc, wasn’t familiar with this shoot down.

[tartare]

Wots the Harrier reversal story?

[Krystal n chips]

And fantom has often told us of his his 'watch this' Harrier kill during airshow practice in Germany with his F-4 XV431.

Ah, XV 431......a heaven sent opportunity you might say.

..After it's non standard return to earth, it has to be said some people were " not entirely happy " when the 431 MU troops decided our priority was to remove the skin with the serial number first and foremost. .....

[tartare]

11/10/1974 XV431
Phantom FGR2 31 Sqn Crashed on take off from Bruggen, West Germany when the wings folded after they had been left unlocked. Both crew ejected

[Airbubba]

Wots the Harrier reversal story?

Now, this is no s**t. Or, once upon a time...

In 1972 fantom was up in XV431 and saw a Harrier back at Brüggen practicing for an upcoming air display. fantom wanted to have a little fun and buzz the Harrier while it was in the hover doing its turns for the imaginary crowd.

'Time to buzz the Harrier' 'No fantom, this is not a good idea.' What could possibly go wrong?

XV431 made the impressive high speed pass just as the Harrier did its reverse flight demo and the aircraft collided. :eek:

The Harrier driver ejected and the Phantom limped back up with several feet of the left wing missing. A successful arrested landing was made in the F-4 and fantom had to face the music of a General Court Martial for his poor choices that morning. fantom claims that the paperwork for the GCM had already been filled out before he landed which might only be a minor exagerration.

The GCM launched fantom on a successful peripatetic civilian career flying light twins, 727s, A320s and A330s in the UK and the Middle East.

I've heard multiple versions of this legendary tale over the years including one from a Nimrod crew in Gibraltar in the late 1970s. However I haven't found a listing of the Harrier loss or any other details so this story may be totally apocryphal.

Or not. ;)

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1080x1496/bentphantom_1_large__e25404a3f7c7a65e8c33cc9ecaee9c9289bd0b7 c.jpg

[MPN11]

Clarification appreciated ... I hate stories without an ending!!

Never, sadly, served in RAFG but I always had the impression that they played (dare I say) fast and loose compared with UKAF back then!

[racedo]

A kill is a kill...

Old colleague who got into hunting and ended up shooting a squirrel rather than the deer he was aiming at, would possible agree, however he found his invitations to hunting trips vanished after that. Aside from saving some wildlife it probably saved a few members of the hunting party as well.

Everybody screws up, thankfully most times it means some bent metal rather than a life lost.

[tartare]

Thanks Airbubba - mother of God :eek:

[Fonsini]

What with all the banging and rattling of a GSh-30 going off 3 feet from your right earhole the pipper must have been right on target, because he would surely have let go of the trigger after the first 20ish rounds.

I have heard that the FCS algorithms in Russian fighters are particularly well coded for guns A2A.

[Cat Techie]

Now, this is no s**t. Or, once upon a time...

In 1972 fantom was up in XV431 and saw a Harrier back at Brüggen practicing for an upcoming air display. fantom wanted to have a little fun and buzz the Harrier while it was in the hover doing its turns for the imaginary crowd.

'Time to buzz the Harrier' 'No fantom, this is not a good idea.' What could possibly go wrong?

XV431 made the impressive high speed pass just as the Harrier did its reverse flight demo and the aircraft collided. :eek:

The Harrier driver ejected and the Phantom limped back up with several feet of the left wing missing. A successful arrested landing was made in the F-4 and fantom had to face the music of a General Court Martial for his poor choices that morning. fantom claims that the paperwork for the GCM had already been filled out before he landed which might only be a minor exagerration.

The GCM launched fantom on a successful peripatetic civilian career flying light twins, 727s, A320s and A330s in the UK and the Middle East.

I've heard multiple versions of this legendary tale over the years including one from a Nimrod crew in Gibraltar in the late 1970s. However I haven't found a listing of the Harrier loss or any other details so this story may be totally apocryphal.

Or not. ;)

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1080x1496/bentphantom_1_large__e25404a3f7c7a65e8c33cc9ecaee9c9289bd0b7 c.jpg

Is that where the phrase "Brown Stars"? came from? Brown G suits indeed! ;) Aircraft transfered to the MU of its number. LOL

[Airbubba]

Is that where the phrase "Brown Stars"? came from? Brown G suits indeed! ;)

Let's leave the pilot's name out of this. ;)

[Easy Street]

Is that where the phrase "Brown Stars"? came from?

With the name "Cat Techie" I'm surprised you have to ask... did you never hear the songs which other fleets used to sing about Jag mates and wonder where they came from? ;)