A sad day for the first batch of the FIRED 600

[Fired600]

So the day eventually came. The first batch of the redundancies the ‘600’ leave to pastures greener today.

I leave here with mixed feelings. I will leave Emirates, seeing it without the heart and soul that it had when I joined. No longer the family and community that it once was and that I was proud to have been a part of.

To the many profession pilots, cabin crew, engineers I have met in Dubai over the many years I thank you for your friendship, humour, and your resilience and memories you have given me. It was my pleasure to serve with you all.

To the gutless cowardly, management who didn’t have the common human decency to take care of your loyal staff, or even acknowledge them during mass redundancies, I wish you what you reap.

To the remaining pilots, crew, engineers and staff, I wish you safe and COVID free skies. Do remember that ultimately you are just a number on Emirates spreadsheet, dont sacrifice your lives to them, they will not even say goodbye as you leave.

Adios.......

[Capn Rex Havoc]

Fired600,
I'm with you - first batch, it is more sad that no-one has commented. Mate I wish you all the best for the future and I reckon you will feel a breath of fresh air as you leave the toxic wasteland of the Middle East behind. It has been a great great experience, but the empire is well and truly irrevocably finished.

oh and :mad: you EK for trying to charge me for 7 kg excess baggage on a flight that had 25 pax....

[Fired600]

Good luck to you Rex. I hope you managed to get that 7kg for free in the end. That does aptly demonstrate their true colours doesn’t it !

[EchoKilla]

It is with bottom of my heart that better things are ahead. Awakenings only will bring better to us all. I know many of you were pissed when I started the other thread but it had to be put out there. It wasn’t a joke it was what was yet to come and honestly still happening. May line up and wait be a short wait Fired600 Capn Rex Havoc

[givemewings]

Capn Rex Havoc

mate they did the same to me. And if just watched several J class "klingons" get let through with 4 pieces of hand luggage each. Even joking "it's only one kilo per year of service" got zero smile from the robot at the counter. When I questioned why they bent the rules for the staff relatives in front of me with 2 excess pieces each, and not for me, on a flight that wasn't even 60% full, the jobsworth told me to leave and go check in at regular check in or he'd call security on me. Very warm farewell after the better part of a decade!

Sorry to all whoalerent yet ready to go, hoping better and brighter things are downroute for you all...

[Left Coaster]

Serious question: What is a "Klingon?" I don't get the reference.

[White Knight]

Something to do with Uranus?

Humour aside; All the very best to those leaving here through forced redundancy. I hope that those who wish to continue flying as a career get a toe in a door somewhere soon when things pick up! For those of you giving up the flying enjoy your retirement or whatever new career you plump for... Blue skies!

[Emma Royds]

Wishing all the very best to those leaving sooner than they would have wished. I hope the future brings you happiness and fulfilment in your new surroundings.

[paule737]

Squishmit

True words 👍🏻

[Islandlad]

Serious question: What is a "Klingon?" I don't get the reference.
When you don't make any contribution for the benefits you receive, expect everything for free, live the high life, while others graft and pay their full wack, like tax, then moan and complain that they are off loaded unexpectedly, to make their way 'home', to a place they avoided paying for, but will accept them none the less. A Klingon, by and large, never appreciates the irony when it's pointed out to them. If you are one or have been one, see it for what it is and don't complain about it when you are not treated as fairly as those who paid their full wack.

Sympathy yes, but you knew what you were getting into. Outbound First Class, return in Economy. To the airline, you are just a bum on a seat. To the PAX payers it's parasitic. The rights to all the privileges comes at a price.

[5star]

Troll alert...

[squarecrow]

Location: Fraggle Rock

[X380CaptEK]

Fired600...points to you on your comments. There was once many reasons to be at EK, I don't see many now.
Sorry so many got the exit on EK's terms and not their own.

Even more sorry that the entire EK pilot group stuck their "proverbial head" in the sand when it occurred.

To those that are still there, I have a simple question...how itchy is your beard getting?

[Eric Hartman]

Ex 380, what is your point exactly? I understand you frustration but it is unfair to bash those remaining, it's not their fault that you were made redundant.

[X380CaptEK]

Point? Just a statement regarding complementing what the original poster said.
Frustration, nope...see next.
Redundant, nope. I left well before this current EK travesty.

The part I never got was why the Buffalo never just form an offensive line and charge the Lions. I'm pretty sure I saw the Cabin Crew do just that over a few days some time ago. Sadly, I would not -as in- never expect the Pilot Group to do the same. Not saying the outcome would be different, maybe just the methods...as EK has shown no regards to decency at the minimum. Of course, if you allow someone to "roll over" you for so long...

All the best to those that remain after the last "culling of the herd" and good luck to those that remain through the next "culling".

If i was to have a point...it would be "good luck". After years of the Pilot Group watching idly the injustices and wrongs committed by EK against Pilots, "luck" is all that left in the group.

[captain8]

Its amusing now what derision a few who left received over the last few years to chose & fly a narrow body out of wet & windy Manchester or the industrial wasteland of Leeds .

It may be a 737 and off to Malaga, but heaps better than the min rest 14 hour redeye return.

We are all still happy , solid contract, part time flying or receiving the gov furlough. Commiserations to those who stayed on the beach too long.

[Emma Royds]

Regardless of the logo on the tail fin, I don't think any of us at this stage are able to gloat about much at the moment.

[SirTimAlRedha]

Indeed troll alert

[hec7or]

But boasting about hopefully being paid £2k a month to fly 80 sectors from Leeds next summer? That’s £25 per sector.

So, if Summer is April to September, that's 6 months and if you fly 80 sectors, that's 13.3 sectors per month and at £2k per month, that's £150.37 per sector - or maybe you meant something else.

Some of us have no desire to fly through the night and waste the rest of our lives in hotels only to return home to sleep it off.

Please don't kid us that long haul is a glamorous or rewarding life....it isn't.

[Maz11]

So, if Summer is April to September, that's 6 months and if you fly 80 sectors, that's 13.3 sectors per month and at £2k per month, that's £150.37 per sector - or maybe you meant something else.

13.3 sectors per month.... which European LCC are you talking about?! :confused:

I believe Xulu is referring to 80 sectors a month, not over the whole of the summer period.

Give me a single deep night flight rather than 5 days of 4 sectors starting at 5am any day of the week.

[I love twins]

I worked over ten years at an orange LCC based in U.K. and mainland Europe.
The full time rosters gave me health issues. I found it a great deal more tiring to work that schedule than I did working at EK.

Long haul and short haul both have their issues and they require different rest strategies. I never figured out an effective short haul rest strategy aside from going part time, which I couldn’t afford to do.

Whatever works on an individual level is what you should do.

For me, the flying was also a great deal more rewarding. To take an aircraft sixteen hours, over the North Pole, and then descend over the Bay Area to land in San Francisco I found to be infinitely more rewarding than taking passengers from Gatwick to Alicante several times a week.

Horses, courses, and all that.

[hec7or]

Give me a single deep night flight rather than 5 days of 4 sectors starting at 5am any day of the week.

You can keep it, I prefer flying shorthaul in the UK and that's my choice. I have managed to teach my kids to drive, take them horse riding, to The Pony Club, yachting in the Solent, shooting, tap and ballet, stadium sports, concerts, Blockbusters in the West End, Shakespeare at Stratford upon Avon, helping with their Duke of Edinburgh's Awards, and at the same time managed to attend parents evenings and all the school Nativity plays and I've still managed to fly a full roster, albeit in a democratic (?) country with proper FTLs and therefore have had plenty of rest between flights in my own time zone. From what I read here, the downtime at an ME Longhaul Airline now extends to munching popular fusion dishes in a restaurant chain in an air conditioned mall with an overpriced chardonnay while Maria from the Philipines brings up your kids for you. There are umpteen posts in the ME forums about the fatigue and the long, long ULH nights.

P.s Don’t forget your tea bag, driver. Love it, you should be writing sitcoms.

[paule737]

Spot on!

Been there, done that! Prefer to sleep in my own bed every night! Took a while to realise ☺️

[Emma Royds]

Talk about thread creep..... :cool:

[Maz11]

You can keep it, I prefer flying shorthaul in the UK and that's my choice.

It is indeed your choice, however basing all of your views of flying Longhaul in the ME on the rantings on here really isn’t representative of the whole truth.

Like I Love Twins I too was orange for over 12 years and have to agree that I never managed to adjust to the long term cumulative fatigue that brought. 4 sector max FDP days followed by minimum rest, followed by another 4 sector max FDP day, (repeat for 5 days), has left many in that field being told by their AME that they shouldn’t be full time anymore, but subsequently cannot afford (or can’t get) part time.

Of course people cope with different roster types differently, but unless you’ve operated both I really don’t think you’re qualified to discuss the differences.

proper FTLs and therefore have had plenty of rest between flights in my own time zone

And yet there were always plenty of complaints in my previous life of 11 hours in a crap hotel after a max FDP 3 sector day, to be followed the next day by another 3 sectors before you finally went home. 9 hours at work followed by 24 hours off in a nice hotel works much better for me having experienced both.

And the numerous occasions where people fell asleep driving home and went straight on when there was a round-about obviously proves that the FTLs in the EU are so robust.

Like you I managed to do all those things while working Low Cost too, but I found it a lot harder than I do here, where I still manage to do all those things.

while Maria from the Philipines brings up your kids for you

Please don’t tar us all with the same brush, me and my wife bring our kids up just fine thank you very much with no help, and she works (before you bring that up).

Yes there are multiple posts, but a 16 hour ULR where I spend 7 hours at the controls, sleep for 7, then come back to operate the descent and landing really isn’t that difficult if you manage to organise your rest correctly. There will always be fatigue in this industry, it’s one of our greatest threats, but I’ll take that ULR over a 2 crew MAN-SSH turnaround any day.

Back to the original topic, I hope everyone who is moving to pastures new through no fault of their own finds themselves back in the air (if that’s what they choose), as soon as possible. Every part of this industry needs some good news soon!