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787justawetdream
11th Sep 2020, 04:47
So the deep deep SQ pockets are running dry quickly.
Today, the axe fell on ALL expat pilots in Scoot with no exceptions. Came as a shock to many who were expecting NPL or 50% wage cuts.

Sad part is, the next round would have to be locals. There is no escaping another chop in the near future seeing how green lanes, travel bubbles etc are not going to fill planes or increase frequencies.

krismiler
11th Sep 2020, 22:40
Foreigners are usually the first to go at any airline during a downturn. Singaporean’s were a single digit percentage of the 2400 retrenchments across the SIA group.

Publicly stated plans are for a reduced fleet size, fewer destinations and smaller aircraft in the short term until business recovers. Air and sea links are critical to Singapore and will be supported. Travel bubbles are slowly opening up, Japan commences on 18 September and opening up with Malaysia may take place in January.

Silk Air and Scoot are likely to lead the recovery with mainline A350/B787s following. B777 will take longer. B747F doing well, especially with plans to develop sea/air transshipment.

No decision yet regarding the A380, SIA have 19 and are far less exposed to the type than EK where it’s nearly half of the fleet. They could be retired or a limited number bought back depending on the demand.

Condolences to all those affected, mainline are with you all the way.

787justawetdream
12th Sep 2020, 01:03
Thank you Krismiler.
That was good information

Logically and responsibly, next to get retrenched will be the top heavy and expensive senior management in Scoot and SIA, seeing that there is not much left for them to do for the next few years. Tough times ahead.

bringbackthe80s
12th Sep 2020, 01:59
Not good.
Anyway, this foreigners are the first to go mentality is complete nonsense, the contract you signed is the only thing that counts.
If you signed a fixed term contract then fair enough, otherwise nationality is no issue. Or should we kick out all the foreigners we have in western countries in any industry every time a crisis hits?

sia sniffer
12th Sep 2020, 12:36
I had a few years of the SIA "experience". Loverly bunch, totally biased racially, unless you were a singaporean.
You had to love everything local, Singapore this, ok lah, I so love chilli crab and congee for my brekky..

But most leave with a bitter taste, and real crabs .

dl_88
12th Sep 2020, 16:06
Not good.
Anyway, this foreigners are the first to go mentality is complete nonsense, the contract you signed is the only thing that counts.
If you signed a fixed term contract then fair enough, otherwise nationality is no issue. Or should we kick out all the foreigners we have in western countries in any industry every time a crisis hits?

yeah you’ll be hard pressed to find asian expats in the flight deck of a western carrier.

maxconthrust
13th Sep 2020, 07:16
Not good.
Anyway, this foreigners are the first to go mentality is complete nonsense, the contract you signed is the only thing that counts.
If you signed a fixed term contract then fair enough, otherwise nationality is no issue. Or should we kick out all the foreigners we have in western countries in any industry every time a crisis hits?

Anywhere you go as an expat, you're there to fill a void that locals could not fill.

That void no longer exists and there is a shortage of positions to go around. What are you expecting?

SIA group took a government bailout with taxpayer funds. You expect to keep your job at the expense of a local? Do you see expats in other airlines keeping their jobs at the expense of locals?

The ones who truly wanted to make Singapore their home already took up PR and Citizenship. If you were here for years and never applied for an EP, you've had one foot out the door the whole time.

There were a couple of foreign Scoot captains with alternative employment in their home countries already lined up, not least the Spring Airlines deal (however crap the terms may be), and yet they still decided they would sit on the ground and collect as much free basic pay as they could instead of leaving gracefully since those jobs were a "come over whenever you're ready".

Thank you Krismiler.
That was good information

Logically and responsibly, next to get retrenched will be the top heavy and expensive senior management in Scoot and SIA, seeing that there is not much left for them to do for the next few years. Tough times ahead.

That's very optimistic of you. Senior management getting the axe? I'll be surprised if they don't reward themselves with a fat bonus end of FY21 for "steering the company safely through troubled waters". Look at the measly paycut our top guys took. I'll eat my hat if any of the holy trinity get the axe.