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PPRuNeUser0131
16th Aug 2020, 04:51
Another good article from an old USA magazine about to be dispatched to the re-cycling bin. Greasers when landing a 727? Not likely by Len Morgan, Flying June 1993

Landing is the most interesting phase of flight in any aircraft. In some ways, it is the most challenging, particularly for a pilot unhappy with anything less than the delicious slide of rubber on concrete so aptly described as “painting it on.”

The smoothness with which an aircraft can be transferred from sleek flying machine to ungainly ground vehicle depends on several factors, most of them beyond the pilot’s control. Take its landing gear: The DC-4 had large tyres and long struts; hold it a foot off the runway with the nose up a few degrees and it would settle ever so softly onto the ground, making you look better than you were.

But “soft” landing gears are heavy, require large storage wells and therefore annoy designers whose last concern is flattering pilots. So, they made the DC-6 noticeably stiff-legged. You could pull off a good landing in a -6, but a “greaser” was rare. The same was true of the Connie. The Electra was downright humbling; for gear it seemed to have cast-iron wheels and I-beam struts. A remarkable plane in many respects, it could loosen your fillings on arrival no matter how hard you tried. The 707, on the other hand, would often reward an attentive driver with a gentle touch-down. (And the 747 was an absolute delight, I would learn a few years later.)

I’d wondered how Boeing’s trijet would compare. What an absolutely marvellous airplane! The 727 was more pilot-friendly from the first day than any other transport in my logs. It was easy to learn. The ground school was a snap and my flight training was completed days ahead of schedule without the customary simulator warm-up. Not everyone, however, found the transition to the “Three-Holer” to go as smoothly. This is not to say I was sharper than average. Far from it; I am a slow learner. I breezed through 727 training simply because I had already flown the 707.

Qualifying on that brute was something else. It was almost three times the weight of the Electra I had been flying. It was ponderous, accelerated slowly even at maximum power and hurtled along at the bottom of descent with power at idle. Unless you stayed miles ahead of it on letdown, there was no option but to request a 360 while speed dwindled, a common embarrassment among newcomers to jet flying.

Something we piston drivers never appreciated until we lost it was the braking provided by idling props. The turbojet developed considerable shove even with thrust levers back against the stops. Precise speed on final was extremely important. The 707 floated 1,000 feet for every 10 knots of excess speed over the fence. This could get you into trouble at a marginal field like Kansas City Municipal when braking action was reported as fair to poor.

The 707 was heavy on the controls until you learned to trim it. And, of course, we had to cope with its (then) astounding weight and blazing speed using the same instruments and navigation gear installed on piston equipment. The only computers in early jet cockpits were between the pilots’ ears. Yet after 200 hours I felt completely at home in the new marvel and wouldn’t have swapped it for a seat on the Stock Exchange.

This background provided a tremendous edge during transition to the 727, which is not to say it was a scaled-down of its big sister. Boeing’s new baby had rear-mounted engines, two rudders, four ailerons, 14 spoiler sections, 26 flap panels, nosewheel brakes and a tail skid. But the hydraulic, electrical and fuel systems were nearly identical to the 707’s, as was the cockpit layout.

In everything I had previously flown, powerplant performance was monitored as much by listening as by what the gauges reported. The 727 cockpit was eerily quiet; in contrast, you were scarcely aware of engine thunder even at takeoff thrust. This took some getting used to.

In flight the 727 was a dream, light on the controls and delightfully responsive. Descent, approach and landing techniques came easily to anyone with 707 experience. When a radar controller requested an expedited descent, you eased back on the “speed brake” lever that deployed the flight spoilers and you came down like a load of sand. You could lose altitude at 4,000 fpm and faster of you dropped the gear. The same trick in a 707, while safe and legal, caused an uncomfortable shuddering that made nervous passengers look out the windows.

Descent and approach posed no problems once you got the feel for the 727. Our descent drill was: idle thrust and Mach.80 from cruising level to 320 knots, then 320 to 10,000 feet, below which the speed limit was 250. The flight engineer noted weight and computed a reference speed (Vref), which was 1.3 times stalling speed with landing flaps. Depending on weight, Vref was 115 to 125 knots.

At five to 10 miles from the outer marker, flaps were extended “on schedule”. At 200 knots, the “Flaps 2“ handle position extended a pair of leading-edge slats on each wing and dropped trailing-edge flaps two degrees. At 190 knots, “Flaps 5“ dropped all remaining leading-edge slats and flaps and extended trailing-edge flaps to five degrees. At 160 knots “Flaps 15“ was selected and at 140 you moved the flaps control to “Flaps 25“. The idea was to cross the outer marker with flaps extended 25 degrees and speed nailed on 140 knots. There was nothing to it after a bit of practice.

When the glideslope came alive you dropped the gear and landing flaps, reduced speed to Vref plus 10 and tidied up the cockpit for arrival. Small power adjustments thereafter kept speed and sink rate where they belonged from outer marker to airport – and it was important that they were closely monitored.

Decaying airspeed or increasing sink rate had to be immediately set right, particularly below 500 feet. Any combination of low speed, excessive rate of descent or spooled-down engines was potentially lethal. There was more than one disastrous 727 undershoot before this deadly combination was fully appreciated. You had to stay well ahead of the 727 at all times which, of course, means it’s no different from any other airplane, large or small.

One thing we old piston drivers had to learn was that jets don’t touch down on the numbers. Instead, you aimed them at a point 1,000 feet down the runway. That seemed like a waste of perfectly good concrete but it made sense in that it prevented a pilot a trifle low from dragging his wheels through the approach lights. The natural urge to “duck under” when breaking out of a 100-foot overcast had to be suppressed.

“Hold what you got” was the ironclad rule regrading descent rate once the runway came into view. (I must digress at this point. I can already hear the hoots of men and women in Africa, South America and polar regions who routinely shoehorn 727s and other jets into short gravel strips where planting the mains is imperative. My admiration for those gutsy troops is unbounded.)

It’s said that a good approach offers the best shot at a good landing and I believe that’s true. So, you had best fly the Three-Holer precisely “on profile,” properly trimmed, with speed and descent rate right on the money down to the runway threshold and ease off the power. What then? If you were landing on one of Portland, Oregon’s incredibly smooth runways and it was wet from recent rain and it was one of your best days, you might just slick it on. But it was foolish to bet on it.

At most airports, our passengers knew when the flight ended. The touch down was firm, though not uncomfortably so, and often produced a short skip. A sudden sink during flare in the stretched 727-200 could sometimes be offset by releasing back pressure on the wheel. This lowered the nose and slowed the descent rate of the rear-mounted main gear, avoiding a jarring arrival. Sounds crazy but it worked. The Three-Holer rarely embarrassed its pilots on landing; neither did it often reward them with a greaser - and that’s a comment not a complaint. You’ll never hear anything but praise from me about Boeing’s magnificent Model 727.
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megan
16th Aug 2020, 05:56
Sigh, Len Morgan, miss his writings, wish there was a compendium available.

Mister Warning
16th Aug 2020, 07:55
A good "push" at 50 feet to "roll it on" worked well if in the slot.
Worked for me on wide bodies too.
Like a butterfly with sore feet.

Less Hair
16th Aug 2020, 08:15
Didn't they have issues with 727 full flaps back then? Most airlines never used full flaps anymore because of this.
And for the speed brakes: I seem to remember Pan Am pilots doing a lot of side slips for speed fine tuning instead of using the spoilers.

Global Aviator
16th Aug 2020, 09:15
Ahhhhh a bucket lister to fly!

Missed that generations by “” much......

Tee Emm
16th Aug 2020, 15:41
Another good article from an old USA magazine about to be dispatched to the re-cycling bin

Len Morgan wrote the most evocative stories. His writing style was beautiful. Please don't toss them in the bin. Toss the magazine in the bin if you like but extract Len's "Vectors" and hang on to them. They are like gold. I have many of his articles saved over the years and they are mine - all mine.

Better still, and with time to spare, why not reproduce each one on Pprune as you have already done with this thread. Few of today's current pilots would have been born when Len started to write his column in US Flying magazine. Here is your opportunity to pass his wisdom on to them. Len even uses the word "Airmanship" a new concept after NTS1 and NTS2 et al..

Dora-9
16th Aug 2020, 19:24
A good "push" at 50 feet to "roll it on" worked well if in the slot.
Worked for me on wide bodies too.
Like a butterfly with sore feet.

Not so much a push as simply relaxing the back pressure.

The unsmiling Alan James taught me this on the DC-9 and it's worked for me too on every type I've flown since.

BalusKaptan
16th Aug 2020, 20:13
Normal landing flap was 30 however the max was 40. Not often used but sometimes mandated such as at Hamilton Island in the Whitsundays.

By George
16th Aug 2020, 22:08
Normal landing flap was 30 degrees. 40 degrees was harder to get a smooth landing and had a lower maximum landing weight. On Ansett's 727-200LR, Max Landing weight was 72,574kg at flap 30 and 64,636kg at flap 40.

Dora-9 is correct with the 'release the back pressure' statement. There were people promoting the 'push over' technique, but it was not necessary, just release the back pressure with just a hint of nose lowering and it went on beautifully. Some of this push business has led to some real clangers, especially on the 757 and 767 with fuselage damage behind the nose wheel causing creases in the skin. I remember seeing a damaged 767 in Narita with top to bottom creases. It looked like a banana. Surprisingly they repaired it. Delta did one recently on a 757. Push too much and get on the nose wheel is asking for trouble. Having said all that 'Ace of the base' stuff, most 727 pilots missed it occasionally, including my good self. I banged one on in CBR once and the cabin manger came into the cockpit with a glass of water and placed it gently on the console. "Georgie dearest if you are going to plant it you had better water it" she said. Firm as it was, I didn't drop the oxygen masks. As long as there was no drift or side loading you could do that, a thumper and keep the masks up. (skill comes in various forms).

umop apisdn
16th Aug 2020, 23:47
Having moved to the US, one can still get jobs on them here. One is the vomit comet, the other is Air Horse One.

I'd love to fly one. Worried I'd have constant nightmares featuring that blue book though.

stilton
17th Aug 2020, 00:58
First Jet for me


A magnificent aircraft, beautiful handling, stable yet responsive, it could fly very fast or very slow and it went through turbulence like a hot knife through butter

One of Boeing’s very best

Rotor Work
17th Aug 2020, 01:06
It was impressive as a kid to enter and exit through the rear ramp, also remember a high speed low pass possibly at Schofield Airshow in the 80’s
Regards RW

megan
17th Aug 2020, 02:13
Max Landing weight was 72,574kg at flap 30 and 64,636kg at flap 40Why would flap setting dictate max landing weight? I'm thinking overshoot capability. Learn something new every day.

Besides Len Morgan the other author I wish had a compendium available is Sheldon "Torch" Lewis who used to take up the last page in the monthly Business & Commercial Aviation magazine with safety related stories. Torch flew Corsairs during the war and had a career in flying business aviation after. He does have a couple of books available on Amazon.

By George
17th Aug 2020, 04:26
The flap setting in relation to maximum landing weight differences was due to a Landing Climb Requirement. '3.2 gross gradient. U/C down, landing flap, all engines at max thrust and speed greater than 1.3vs with overshoot capability from the threshold'. That quote came directly from my old course notes. I do not think it was restricted to just the LR as we operated straight 200's as well. The LR was 89358 TOW compared to the straight 200 at 86409. Both had the same thrust from JT8D-15 engines. So naturally, close to the ground at high weights on a hot day, the LR was not very spectacular. Once it got away from mother earth it went like a rocket.
I have also learnt something new, with some operators landing with flap 25. I can not work out why you would do that? Save fuel and less noise maybe? Flap 25 at Hamilton Island would guarantee a swim back to the terminal.

walschaert valve
17th Aug 2020, 05:25
I have learnt something new too, nose wheel brakes. Had no idea such a thing existed.

Dora-9
17th Aug 2020, 06:39
As long as there was no drift or side loading you could do that, a thumper and keep the masks up.

Are we singing from the same hymn book George?

Rwy in Sight
17th Aug 2020, 07:18
It is the aircraft which put the fear of flying on me when young because the wing moved so much up and down and then remove it after few flights leading the way to end up here in PPRUNE.

Turbine Overheat
17th Aug 2020, 07:23
A beautiful description. Nice

Dora-9
17th Aug 2020, 19:29
By George: Did you ever get to fly with the slightly nutty Victor S K? He decided that he would demonstrate to me how the "roll on" technique worked in a Friendship. It was one of those God-awful heavy landings that you could see coming from the top of descent...

TriStar_drvr
17th Aug 2020, 20:33
What a lovely narrative. I subscribed to Flying magazine when I was a teenager in the 70’s, and always enjoyed Len Morgan’s articles. I never would have believed that twenty odd years later would find me checking out as a First Officer on the 727, having never flown anything larger than a Jetstream. To this day, the firmest landing I’ve ever made was on the 727-200. Clear calm night to a 16000 foot runway, and I planted it so hard as to open quite a few overhead bins. Yes, landing a 727 was always a mystery to me.

BTW, I learned that a daughter of Len Morgan is married to a very senior pilot at the airline from which I just retired.

Thanks for posting the article. I wish I had saved all my old copies of Len Morgan’s column.

By George
17th Aug 2020, 21:26
Dora-9 I never flew with him but I have plenty of stories in the memory bank.

This post has led me to dig up my old performance notes because this flap 25 thing has me intrigued. On a ISA day, nil wind, sea level ( all the usual 50 ft height 1.67 buffer and reverse not considered) flap 30 landing on the 727 is 1700m and flap 40 is 1400m. Flap 25 is an extra 300m to the flap 40 figure. So 2000m compared to 1400m with flap 40. I suppose in America with nice long runways that is fine, but some extra for no good reason. The other problem with the 727 was the high 'footprint' with a relatively high ACN number. We were eventually banned from Hamilton Island because we were damaging the runway ends doing a u-turn.
In India they have modified A320's with four wheel trucks so they can get into their low strength fields. The Russian TU154 (their 727 category aeroplane) also had four wheels per leg. I wonder why Boeing never went down this path. A previous poster mentioned the nose wheel brakes. My notes show a weight penalty of 2,000kg if they were unserviceable. A magic aeroplane built like a brick outhouse, but at 5,000kg per hour fuel burn with 158 pax (Ansett configuration 158 plus 9 crew) doomed by the bean counters as a gas gurgler.

john_tullamarine
18th Aug 2020, 01:25
The Russian TU154 (their 727 category aeroplane)

Now that brings back memories.

Many years ago, I headed off to Laos, via Bankok, to do a brief task with Lao Aviation. Transit via a 154M operated at the time on contract by Balkan Bulgarian. Ended up in the cockpit somehow during cruise for the remainder of the trip outbound to Vientiane. Pretty straightforward, a bit like an AN 727 flight (not sure, though, if "check essential" was part of their protocols, nor did the crew have any functional English - sign language worked fine, nor did they bother with those pesky seat belts). Absolutely a thoroughly nice bunch of chaps, though, the sort of folk with whom one would enjoy a beer on an overnight - and, as with any overnight, language problems disappear once everyone gets to the stage of conversing in that wonderful tongue leveller, Gibberish, after numerous beers.

Moving forward, a couple of weeks later on the return journey, same crew. The captain spotted me during boarding, whereupon I was whisked into the cockpit for the sector back to Bankok.

Rough as anything weather on the way into Bangkok (still no seat belts) but the thing which stays with me was the flare and touchdown. Without knowing what was going on, the procedure was along the lines of flare, then there was a call of some sort whereupon the boards were pulled. However, on this occasion it was patently obvious that we were still several yards or more above the runway. With the benefit of a 727 upbringing, my heart sank as my stomach leaped into my mouth and my pulse rate soared in abject terror. This beast, however, just waffled down from on high with a silken smooth touchdown .. quite an undercarriage, methinks, with its three axle GA. That landing will stay with me until my last breath.

As to 727s, the -100 was a delight, while the -200 I never quite worked out really what was going on in the landing, which was a bit of a shock after having a good run with landings since my first foray into the air. When I checked out in the RHS, still with next to no idea how reliably to land the -200, I bid a couple of blocks with dear old Standish whose flare and touchdown technique I was determined to emulate. He sort of bored down to the ground and then the aircraft magically just ran along the surface without any fuss or apparent actions/effort on his part. I never did figure whatever it was that he did but it sure worked fine. Eventually I just gave up and landed it like a C150 and that seemed to work as well as any other technique. As to greasers, I had one (and only one) satin smooth greaser on the -200. Clearly, the event had little, if anything, to do with whatever I was doing but, nonetheless, the aircraft mysteriously (accidentally ?) completed the flare no more than a cigarette paper's thickness above the runway. The result was that we heard nothing, felt nothing, and the ASI reading just started decreasing ...

Absolutely the eeriest and most uncomfortable sensation I have ever experienced in an aeroplane. I knew we were pretty close to the ground. Were we on the ground, all would be well. If not, then everyone would know all about it in a second or two. In any event, as the ASI kept on decreasing, it was obvious that we were on the ground, all was well, and we went through the usual boards, reversers, etc., routine.

At the gate, the purser dropped in and demanded to know "who did that". Neither of us wanted to claim a reputation neither could emulate in future so, naturally enough, we just blamed the FE.

doomed by the bean counters as a gas gurgler.

But, wasn't it fun racing the Ta-Ta opposition around the countryside at 0.8-whatever .... more than a few stories lie therein.

Veruka Salt
18th Aug 2020, 01:51
As a kid who grew up around DC-9s, 727s, 737-200s, F27/28s - and was privileged to do a few mystery flights & jumpseat landings - I love these threads. Please keep the anecdotes coming!

megan
18th Aug 2020, 02:01
BTW, I learned that a daughter of Len Morgan is married to a very senior pilot at the airline from which I just retiredI seem to recall his writing that his son was a 727 skipper. Following Len handing in his wings for a set supplied by the All Mighty his daughter offered up his library collection to whosoever might be interested in obtaining a particular item. Seem to recall she sent out the details by way of email. Have to admire Len's panache, who turns up to an airline interview flying a P-51?

Quotes from Len.

"The way I see it, you can either work for a living or you can fly airplanes. Me, I'd rather fly.""An airplane might disappoint any pilot, but it'll never surprise a good one."

"Watching the Dallas Cowboys perform, it is not difficult to believe that coach Tom Landry flew four-engine bombers during World War II. He was in B-17 Flying Fortresses out of England, they say. His cautious, conservative approach to every situation and the complexity of the plays he sends in do seem to reflect the philosophy of a pilot trained to doggedly press on according to plans laid down before takeoff. I sometimes wonder how the Cowboys would have fared all these years had Tom flown fighters in combat situations which dictated continually changing tactics."

"Margaret [is] the loving centerpiece of all that matters. Her love and encouragement for 60 years are the foundation of anything I have accomplished. I have been truly blessed."

"There are two kinds of men in this world: the selfish ones that just want to make a name for themselves, and the generous people that just want to make a difference."

"True, there was no teenager sport to equal tumbling about the glistening cumulus on a summer morning, rolling, looping, stalling, spinning (while supposedly practicing steep turns), then cruising back to our little grass field with its single hangar and neat rows of yellow biplane trainers. Check the windsock, follow the landing drill exactly and join the downwind leg at 800 feet, reduce speed and look for other planes, turn base, chop the power and descend to 400 feet. Then the slow glide down final with the engine muttering in idle to cross the fence and level off with wheels skimming the wet clover. Finally, the moment of truth: bump...bump...and slowing to a walk. Taxi to the flight line, shut down, hear the ticking of the cooling engine and inhale the exotic aroma of gasoline and dope and leather --- aware of being truly blessed. You never forget such moments."

Given where the world is now here's to a new beginning.

https://airfactsjournal.com/2018/12/from-the-archives-len-morgan-on-the-personal-stories-a-pilot-sees/

ACMS
18th Aug 2020, 11:56
It’s nice to read a good thread....
Thanks fellas...

Tee Emm
19th Aug 2020, 08:53
turn base, chop the power and descend to 400 feet. Then the slow glide down final with the engine muttering in idle to cross the fence

Pity that skill has been consigned to the history books. Glide approaches were the norm in those days. Nowadays just about every flying school teaches powered approaches. For a practice glide approach it becomes "clear the circuit - I am coming in on a practice glide approach - ATC advised, other aircraft advised as nauseum..

For low powered training aircraft like the Cessna 172, Warrior etc, glide approaches should be taught from the very first flight to build up skill and judgement. By the time the student has been solo and back in the training area for practice forced landngs, he will have already attained the skills to judge the glide with a dead engine which is what a forced landing is

megan
20th Aug 2020, 05:04
glide approaches should be taught from the very first flight to build up skill and judgementThere was a time (1930's?) when spot landings were a requirement for issue of a PPL. Procedure as I recall was climb to a given height, close throttle, and touch down on a pre nominated spot. Accuracy determined if you got a tick.Pity that skill has been consigned to the history books. Glide approaches were the norm in those daysYou can do them in a jet, just don't forget the gear.

https://www.avweb.com/features/pelicans-perch-80-gear-up-landing-in-a-747/

Checking I found Len did put his "Flying" magazine articles into a book. Also a book on the 727 in company with his son.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=len+morgan&i=stripbooks-intl-ship&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

Turnleft080
20th Aug 2020, 05:40
From XYGT
Something we piston drivers never appreciated until we lost it was the braking provided by idling props. The turbojet developed considerable shove even with thrust levers back against the stops. Precise speed on final was extremely important. The 707 floated 1,000 feet for every 10 knots of excess speed over the fence. This could get you into trouble at a marginal field like Kansas City Municipal when braking action was reported as fair to poor.

If I remember without looking up prang history in the late 60s,70s B707s were the vulnerable one in doing overruns at JFK NY and Logan Boston
during the cold snowy Dec/Jan period. About to put one together Airfix 1:144 scale 707-436 BOAC just to kill some covid time.

PPRuNeUser0131
20th Aug 2020, 09:48
G'day Megan,

"There was a time (1930's?) when spot landings were a requirement for issue of a PPL"

It goes back earlier than that. I found this in a Digger's service records who was accepted into the AFC in 1918 ...

"Climbed to 10,000 feet, remained there for at least 15 minutes, after which he will land with his engine stopped, the aeroplane first touching the ground and coming to a halt within a marked circle 150 yards in diameter."

MacTrim
21st Aug 2020, 04:34
...learnt & regularly did flight idle approaches in a jet, but it was a C550 (Near jet?)

As far as the 72’ was concerned, idle approach from ToD to 800’ agl , when you’d bring the power up to be in the slot @ 700’ agl with 3x 70%N2 across the ship... and, as Len stated , about 20’ off the deck just break the descent rate and slightly release the back pressure , it was pilot judgment all the way (no RA callouts) and MOST times it’d go on bewdeefully ...but every now & again it’d bight, just to let you know that you were a mere mortal.
BTW, you could come in at 320IAS, 3000’agl @ 13nm from touch(0 TWC) ,throw everything out at -10kts on limits & still be in the slot & stable at 700’ agl.

Gear - Down, 3 Green,5 Releases
CHECK ESSENTIAL, REDUCE ELECTRICAL (voice activated load shed,Very advanced!) :-D

Fluffysgrandad
22nd Aug 2020, 01:17
Most of Len Morgan’s Vectors columns are published in his book “Vectors” and “View from the cockpit”.
i found them on Amazon.

josephfeatherweight
22nd Aug 2020, 07:30
At most airports, our passengers knew when the flight ended.
I love that quote - most of my pax know when we've "arrived"...

WTFIGO
23rd Aug 2020, 11:54
Discussion about landing the 727-200 bought back memories of October 1973 when ten of us young F/Os off F27s and L188s were sent to United Airlines for our simulator and aircraft endorsement. After completion of the sim detail we all paxed from Denver to Salt Lake City for our first go at the real thing. It was carried out at night with pretty ordinary weather prevailing at the time and our poor instructor had to endure ten circuits with us jet newbies. To add to his and our woes it was a -200. Needless to say none of us covered ourselves with glory that night but I don’t think we achieved any rubber jungles. The 727 was N7641U which surprisingly survived several years after her ordeal on that night but was last seen scrapped at Shelton Airport in Washington State. Tom Quinn was the poor soul who had to endure the ten amateurish attempts to alight that night and, Tom, if you’re still around my belated apologies from all of us. The remainder of our aircraft training was done on the -100 with Al Long and Tom Branch and was a delightful experience.

The landing technique favoured in my time as an F/O with AN was flare and roll but by the time I returned as a skipper that seemed to have gone out of fashion. Nevertheless I found it worked most of the time for me. Still remember it as a great machine to fly – definitely the most stable on approach that I have flown.

morno
24th Aug 2020, 10:40
What a lovely read. A number of Captains who taught me how to do proper energy management and thrust idle descents had learnt their craft in the 727. It was awesome to learn it from them and something I prided myself on in the jet.

It was a great shame that once I started to get my own first officers, a lot had very little interest in actually learning the lost art of energy management and they never understood the best techniques and procedures for flying the jet. Frustrated me to no end.

Propstop
24th Aug 2020, 20:22
The smoothest landing I have ever had was in a Libyan Arab B727-200 from Tripoli to Zurich. I did not realise we had touched down until I felt the braking. To say I was impressed was an understatement.
The biggest bone shaker accompanied by the rubber jungle was an SAA B747 from Zurich to Johannesburg. I was looking out the window and waiting for the flare which did not happen and was blamed on a faulty auto land.
In my days at TAA I always enjoyed getting a supernumerary seat in the B727 as some FEs were of my apprentice intake. They were great times.

deja vu
31st Aug 2020, 08:44
I think I first became aware of the 727 in the mid1960's. I worked in a timber yard right under the YMEN 26 LOC and inbound aircraft passed overhead at about 600feet on the GS just as many were spooling up. Looked fantastic from that view., we thought it was the ultimate aluminium overcast. The most exciting part was the unseen early morning departures on cold spring morning, must have been bleeds off, max EPR and hold on the brakes for a time and the crackle from the JT8Ds made the loose tin on the sheds rattle. It got me interested and after finding you didn't need to be a rocket scientist to become a pilot I went for it. Four years later I got to travel on the jump seat of a 727 from Melbourne to Darwin to start my first flying job. Sadly never got to fly a 727 though.

Less Hair
31st Aug 2020, 09:09
Back at Technical University of Berlin we once had an old, retired Lufthansa 727 simulator for some time. No visual and no motion except for some "stall buffet" effect. But still fun to ride. However it became a true pain to repair especially when it's old technicians were all retired. We had some more basic DC-9 (Swissair handbooks) and a Fokker F28 as well. Finally we got some fantastic A330/A340 (interchangeable) full flight sim that was shared for actual LH pilot training and some research work.

601
31st Aug 2020, 23:43
JT8Ds made the loose tin on the sheds rattle
When the Great Australian Air Race started at 06:00 each morning at BN, the glass louvres at Gallipolli Barracks at Enoggera would rattle with each 727 departure.