View Full Version : united plans on re-opening over 25 international routes
BNEA320
1st Aug 2020, 02:33
inc LAX/SYD 3/week from Sept 2020 ish
https://www.flyertalk.com/articles/united-plans-on-re-opening-over-25-international-routes-but-ends-expressjet-relationship.html
I think you need to read the complete article.
BNEA320
1st Aug 2020, 02:54
I think you need to read the complete article.I did. What are you referring to ?
UK is open to something like 70+ countries. No stupid restrictions or silly quarantine.
It's about time our govts including NZ, realise they've gone down wrong path.
You can't close down a state everytime you get a few cases.
Cases don't mean deaths, except in vulnerable.
All this govt support, just creates more welfare dependency. You can see it now. Many sitting on jobkeeper, with a cash gig on side doing better than when working. Madness.
& what does NZ do when they get 1 case ?
Might never ever be any vaccine & can never ever eradicate Corona, we might just have to live with it & find some drugs that help, just like with HIV/AIDS. Adapt - use condoms.
Like after 11 Sep 2001, we adapted. Increased security at airports etc.
Chris2303
1st Aug 2020, 03:38
It's about time our govts including NZ, realise they've gone down wrong path.
& what does NZ do when they get 1 case ?
St Jacinda appreciates your opinion and will take your advice with a ton of salt .
When NZ gets a new case we send it to SYD or in the most recent case, both of them.
I really should stop feeding the troll shouldn't I.
46000 deaths in the UK so far ( nearly including the PM)... yep they have got it all worked out.
And BNE.. the bit in the article I was referring to is the little fact that the flights are dependant on borders being open.
If you think that Australia will be open to the world by September ..., 😂😂😂
currawong
1st Aug 2020, 04:08
I did. What are you referring to ?
UK is open to something like 70+ countries. No stupid restrictions or silly quarantine.
It's about time our govts including NZ, realise they've gone down wrong path.
You can't close down a state everytime you get a few cases.
Cases don't mean deaths, except in vulnerable.
All this govt support, just creates more welfare dependency. You can see it now. Many sitting on jobkeeper, with a cash gig on side doing better than when working. Madness.
& what does NZ do when they get 1 case ?
Might never ever be any vaccine & can never ever eradicate Corona, we might just have to live with it & find some drugs that help, just like with HIV/AIDS. Adapt - use condoms.
Like after 11 Sep 2001, we adapted. Increased security at airports etc.
Has it occurred to you that closing our borders is part of that adaption?
BNE: what's it going to take before you understand the gravity of the situation.
Victoria has fallen, 50 cases of unknown origin is deeply concerning means, untraceable impossible to contain, short of a total lockdown, expect a mass outbreak.
This means you get your wish, are you happy
Expect containment breach for NSW QLD and SA in the next few weeks.
Victoria's hospitals most likely will collapse within a month, no more help is coming from interstate.
Expect rolling power outages within weeks, particularly SA almost totally dependant on VIC for power supply.
Expect water supply interruptions
We have enough diesel in the country to last 3 weeks, then we'll be using Jet A1 since you won't be needing it.
Transition Layer
1st Aug 2020, 04:37
BNE: what's it going to take before you understand the gravity of the situation.
Victoria has fallen, 50 cases of unknown origin is deeply concerning means, untraceable impossible to contain, short of a total lockdown, expect a mass outbreak.
This means you get your wish, are you happy
Expect containment breach for NSW QLD and SA in the next few weeks.
Victoria's hospitals most likely will collapse within a month, no more help is coming from interstate.
Expect rolling power outages within weeks, particularly SA almost totally dependant on VIC for power supply.
Expect water supply interruptions
Wow, talk about fear mongering! Haven’t heard of any such issues with power and water in deeply affected countries like the UK and US (but I may have missed it)
You must work for the media running that sort of fear campaign :rolleyes:
I guess time will tell, goodluck
Has it occurred to you that closing our borders is part of that adaption?& so you think the solution is, we close every state broder for next 10 years or more, when we get a few cases ? That'll work.
Remember, we can't eliminate the virus.
Come in spinner
1st Aug 2020, 05:16
Thanks TL
couldnt agree more
wow
BNE: what's it going to take before you understand the gravity of the situation.
Victoria has fallen, 50 cases of unknown origin is deeply concerning means, untraceable impossible to contain, short of a total lockdown, expect a mass outbreak.
This means you get your wish, are you happy
Expect containment breach for NSW QLD and SA in the next few weeks.
Victoria's hospitals most likely will collapse within a month, no more help is coming from interstate.
Expect rolling power outages within weeks, particularly SA almost totally dependant on VIC for power supply.
Expect water supply interruptions
We have enough diesel in the country to last 3 weeks, then we'll be using Jet A1 since you won't be needing it.
SA totally dependant on VIC for power? Where did you hear that? May have been the case a few years ago; however, certainly not now. As for containment breach for NSW, QLD and SA - already happened in NSW and QLD read the news? What makes you think there will be a breach in SA? The borders are closed even for returning South Australians. As for water supply issues - you have got to be kidding. Do you write for the News group of papers?
brokenagain
1st Aug 2020, 05:59
Expect containment breach for NSW QLD and SA in the next few weeks.
Victoria's hospitals most likely will collapse within a month, no more help is coming from interstate.
Expect rolling power outages within weeks, particularly SA almost totally dependant on VIC for power supply.
Expect water supply interruptions
We have enough diesel in the country to last 3 weeks, then we'll be using Jet A1 since you won't be needing it.
I find that the best thing to do at the moment, is disconnect from the media regularly. You’re not missing out on anything by not listening to or reading anything for a few days, in fact it will probably do wonders for your mental health instead of constantly being fed doom and gloom. They’re not going to tell you anything new anyway. Your posts have a pretty dark tone to them mate, look after yourself. Constantly focusing on the what ifs isn’t healthy, especially something like coronavirus which is going to be with us for some time to come.
The purpose of the post was to see who BNE and his buddies are. The same bored call centre employees with nothing better to do than frequent the social media boards and spruik crap and poo poo anything that's not made in china. Your'e blown,
Chris2303
1st Aug 2020, 07:47
The same bored call centre employees with nothing better to do than frequent the social media boards and spruik crap and poo poo anything that's not made in china. Your'e blown,
Thank you.
I was one of those call centre employees "getting travellers ready to take off" or whatever inanity John Lonergan thought of that day. I can tell you I was seldom bored on night shift and didn't feel the need to spread crap or say "Pilots wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for me and my very hard working colleagues"
Traffic_Is_Er_Was
1st Aug 2020, 08:21
nothing better to do than frequent the social media boards and spruik crap
I spy a pot and a kettle having a discussion!
Double_Clutch
1st Aug 2020, 08:53
Another well thought out post by A320!
Brilliant and so informative (as always)!
frangatang
1st Aug 2020, 09:32
Another well thought out post by A320!
Brilliant and so informative (as always)!
I wonder where the joker gets information that theres no quarantine in england. There is. Two weeks in self isolation from most countries, not that that worries vast numbers who just ignore it of course!
T_L,
you're implying Covid19 is the catalyst for power cuts, we're not having power cuts in the UK because it's maxing at 23c at the moment, not >27C. We don't have the seasonal demand in hot weather that A/C creates, yet.
Water shortages aren't exactly a new problem in Oz but you have to bite the bullet and accept that desal is the way to go,albeit at greater cost; or you can do rain dances all night long hoping that global warming is just a fad.
46k deaths and still rising in UK and 2nd wave definitely starting in Europe; Until folk start taking lockdown's seriously it's not going away - the only thing that will reset the whole equation is a vaccine, UK PLC and most of
Europe can afford to fund a population wide vaccination program, Africa, Asia? That's a different question entirely, especially as the WHO is already woefully underfunded.
Against this background, can't see any normalisation in the near future.
Section28- BE
1st Aug 2020, 09:41
Extract (Bolding):
The bold move is predicated on these nations opening up borders to travelers from the United States, despite the increase in COVID-19 cases. According to Johns Hopkins University & Medicine (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html), the United States has over 4.4 million confirmed cases of the novel Coronavirus, with over 152,000 deaths. With The Bahamas (https://www.flyertalk.com/articles/bahamas-closes-borders-to-u-s-travelers.html) and the European Union closing borders (https://www.flyertalk.com/articles/united-states-remains-on-european-council-recommended-travel-ban-list.html) to American customers, United’s entire strategy bets that flyers and international policy will be ready for travel abroad in two months.
Just- 'WOW', Really.......!!!!!, 60X Days and "Lock and Load".......
Good-Luck!!!!, with That.......... WOW, again.
rgds
S28
Come in spinner
1st Aug 2020, 11:31
Disregard, finger trouble
So .. the USA is now reporting 1000 deaths a day from Covid. Yep.. I can see it now. Thousands of Australians wanting to fly to the US!!
And by the way BNE.. it appears that Victoria is about to go into complete lock down as of Wednesday.
Perhaps one of the things we will have to adapt to is that Travel Agents ( like your family owned corner service station) are now a thing of the past.
Maggie Island
1st Aug 2020, 21:10
Perhaps one of the things we will have to adapt to is that Travel Agents ( like your family owned corner service station) are now a thing of the past.
And there was much rejoicing!
LostWanderer
1st Aug 2020, 22:14
No idea on pax numbers between the US and Australia but perhaps the freight is lucrative enough to justify the trip? I saw Delta still does a daily LAX-SYD and plans to continue, gotta be something in it for the US airlines.
Australopithecus
1st Aug 2020, 22:54
No idea on pax numbers between the US and Australia but perhaps the freight is lucrative enough to justify the trip? I saw Delta still does a daily LAX-SYD and plans to continue, gotta be something in it for the US airlines.
Apparently you can make money flying just belly freight in a 777. As far as passengers go...hmmm. While there is cautious optimism about a vaccine sometime in early 2021, the US has just stripped 32 million unemployed of any income support. I wonder how it plays out if that lasts more than a few days?
Freighter are 'reportedly' largely subsidising the SFO-SYD (UA) and LAX-SYD (DL) flights according to the MSM. Any passengers (mostly repatriation in both directions) would be a bonus for those carriers.
Perhaps TT738 also known as BNEA320 should be a car/truck salesman. It's a quick adaption from being in the Travel Agency business.
rattman
2nd Aug 2020, 04:25
Apparently you can make money flying just belly freight in a 777. As far as passengers go...hmmm. While there is cautious optimism about a vaccine sometime in early 2021, the US has just stripped 32 million unemployed of any income support. I wonder how it plays out if that lasts more than a few days?
Heard the same thing from someone in the a air freight industry a 777 with belly freight is just break even atm, either carry a few passengers or cabin load some additional frieght (not at the same time) and you can make a few dollars. The frieghters with no passengers are going US -> Hawaii -> australia
Transition Layer
2nd Aug 2020, 04:35
Nice to see the Australian Government supporting all those foreign airlines :cool:
https://www.austrade.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/5860/IFAM%20Supported%20Flights%20-%20Outbound%20schedule.pdf.aspx
Australopithecus
2nd Aug 2020, 20:08
Oz and NZ wasting time. They wont stop this virus. They need to allow it to spread so some healthy people get herd immunity. The last 4 months have been wasted as they are essentially starting from 0 now.
...And the Dr. Josef Mengele prize in amateur epidemiology goes to...
What you really mean is that we need to kill off about 300,000 people so that you won’t be inconvenienced. Which makes you reprehensible.
Slezy9
2nd Aug 2020, 22:35
Oz and NZ wasting time. They wont stop this virus. They need to allow it to spread so some healthy people get herd immunity. The last 4 months have been wasted as they are essentially starting from 0 now.
In what way has NZ wasted their time? Internally everything is back to normal.
RubberDogPoop
2nd Aug 2020, 22:55
...And the Dr. Josef Mengele prize in amateur epidemiology goes to...
What you really mean is that we need to kill off about 300,000 people so that you won’t be inconvenienced. Which makes you reprehensible.
...And the Donald Trump hyperbolic exaggeration prize goes to....
I see you've been using those highly accurate UCol London CFR models to boost your otherwise correct assertion that herd immunity aint going to fly.
Australopithecus
3rd Aug 2020, 02:52
...And the Donald Trump hyperbolic exaggeration prize goes to....
I see you've been using those highly accurate UCol London CFR models to boost your otherwise correct assertion that herd immunity aint going to fly.
Thanks. I read so many stories about that idiot that it must be rubbing off. Otherwise, many many people have said what a great job of adhering to Godwin’s law. The best ever some people are saying.
On a less hyperbolic note: There still is a lot of noise in the data with CFR and IFR getting jumbled. Apparently IFR isn’t typically known until a widespread serological study is done after a disease outbreak and statistical tools employed. The increased testing is starting to dilute the numbers somewhat over a classic CFR value owing to the inclusion of cases that otherwise would never be in the data.
The US numbers seem to be around 3-4% of the reported cases with an important caveat. Birx said yesterday that the testing is showing infections earlier than was the case waiting for clinical signs, thus stretching the timeline from detection to death and skewing the data. The Americans are predicting the daily toll to increase profoundly from their already sobering 1100 daily average.
So yeah, 300,000 dead would be a reasonable expectation if half of the country got Covid19 which, btw, is in the range required for the vaunted herd immunity value. But forget the exactitude of the number prediction. Just characterise it as a f**k of a lot.
mattyj
3rd Aug 2020, 03:01
Crude fatality rate worldwide last I checked was about 0.4%..considering the large number who are asymptomatic there is most likely huge numbers of undiagnosed. At current worst case scenarios over the entire population of NZ and Aus 120000 deaths would be the ceiling not 300000
Not Long Here
3rd Aug 2020, 04:22
Crude fatality rate worldwide last I checked was about 0.4%..considering the large number who are asymptomatic there is most likely huge numbers of undiagnosed. At current worst case scenarios over the entire population of NZ and Aus 120000 deaths would be the ceiling not 300000
120000 is so much better :\
Australopithecus
3rd Aug 2020, 04:27
Ok, while we are killing people willy-nilly in this thought experiment, can someone quantify the percentage of infections which result in lifelong disability? Or even chronic quality-of-life issues? I'd hate for 99.6% of the population to escape without some memento.
Loungechair lizard
3rd Aug 2020, 14:00
BNE: what's it going to take before you understand the gravity of the situation.
Victoria has fallen, 50 cases of unknown origin is deeply concerning means, untraceable impossible to contain, short of a total lockdown, expect a mass outbreak.
This means you get your wish, are you happy
Expect containment breach for NSW QLD and SA in the next few weeks.
Victoria's hospitals most likely will collapse within a month, no more help is coming from interstate.
Expect rolling power outages within weeks, particularly SA almost totally dependant on VIC for power supply.
Expect water supply interruptions
We have enough diesel in the country to last 3 weeks, then we'll be using Jet A1 since you won't be needing it.
Xeptu, have you considered a career in sensational junk journalism ? They love this kind of trash.
So yeah, 300,000 dead would be a reasonable expectation if half of the country got Covid19 which, btw, is in the range required for the vaunted herd immunity value. But forget the exactitude of the number prediction.
Herd immunity is believed to set in at somewhere in the 40ies range.
And that does not mean that some 40% plus of the population needs to get covid 19.
Just that some 40% plus need to have have immunity of some sort.
And that there is a lot of immune people without them having had the infection has been established.
mattyj
3rd Aug 2020, 23:08
Ok, while we are killing people willy-nilly in this thought experiment, can someone quantify the percentage of infections which result in lifelong disability? Or even chronic quality-of-life issues? I'd hate for 99.6% of the population to escape without some memento.
there is absolutely no current quantifiable data on long term effects of covid19. Everything you read or see at this point is anecdotal (and therefore falls squarely into the category of panic porn)
there is absolutely no current quantifiable data on long term effects of covid19. Everything you read or see at this point is anecdotal (and therefore falls squarely into the category of panic porn)
Perhaps, but are you volunteering yourself to find out? It’s only a few months in, how does anyone know what the long term effects are?
there is absolutely no current quantifiable data on long term effects of covid19. Everything you read or see at this point is anecdotal (and therefore falls squarely into the category of panic porn)
Shouldn't that read: Everything I read or see?
Maybe, you simply aren't reading the right papers?