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N707ZS
25th Jul 2020, 16:25
Sadly it sounds like no survivors from the aircraft and no mention of the balloon pilot

https://www.swanseasound.co.uk/news/world-news/germany-plane-hit-hot-air-balloon-before-crash-killing-three-say-witnesses/

atakacs
25th Jul 2020, 16:37
Obviously don't know the specifics but shouldn't be that hard to take evasive action from a hot-air balloon 🤔

BDAttitude
25th Jul 2020, 16:58
Local newspaper reports, that the chute was pulled.
Wouldn‘t be suprised if that turns out to be the hot air balloon.
Weather wasn‘t quite that great for driving balloons as well.
Apparently three dead. So one casualty from the house hit.

Pugilistic Animus
25th Jul 2020, 17:00
That's why in the US free hot air balloons have the right of way over all other aircraft... I don't think that I could handle being in a balloon.

ShotOne
25th Jul 2020, 18:11
...and everywhere else !

atakacs
25th Jul 2020, 19:26
Local newspaper reports, that the chute was pulled.
Wouldn‘t be suprised if that turns out to be the hot air balloon.

Chute pulled from the hot air balloon ?? What sequence of events do you envision ?

treadigraph
25th Jul 2020, 19:33
I think BDAttitude envisions the "hot air balloon" was actually the BRS chute, perhaps triggered too late to save those who died, or by the impact.

BDAttitude
25th Jul 2020, 19:45
I think BDAttitude envisions the "hot air balloon" was actually the BRS chute, perhaps triggered too late to save those who died, or by the impact.
:ok: Thanks!
Pedestrians and the press .... gotta love'em.

Pugilistic Animus
25th Jul 2020, 21:03
BRS... now I get it...
They cite a pilot and a Copilot.... probably not knowing that an SEL plane doesn't require a Copilot

c52
25th Jul 2020, 21:13
The local press reports that the aircraft was a "TL 98" and there was no collision with a balloon. https://rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/wesel/flugzeugabsturz-wesel-mindestens-3-tote-verletztes-kind-wohnhaus-zerstoert_aid-52395373

atakacs
25th Jul 2020, 21:41
Aha - an ultralight (http://www.tl-ultralight.cz/en) with a BRS chute - ok that makes more sense !

gearlever
25th Jul 2020, 22:05
Here the headline says it was a glider.....

Jeez

Großeinsatz: Segelflugzeug stürzt auf Wohnhaus – drei Tote (https://www.ruhrnachrichten.de/nachrichten/segelflugzeug-stuerzt-auf-wohnhaus-zwei-tote-1540681.html)

vanHorck
25th Jul 2020, 22:27
The article in the body speaks of an ultralight. Also that it apparently broke up in flight, that pieces were found away from the crash site.

DaveReidUK
25th Jul 2020, 22:35
The local press reports that the aircraft was a "TL 98" and there was no collision with a balloon.

TL 96 Star (Rotax-powered Czech ultralight).

Pugilistic Animus
26th Jul 2020, 06:47
That BRS seems to cause more problems than it fixes...plus it encourages some pilots to do stupid things. Aviation is going to pot!

Maoraigh1
26th Jul 2020, 22:02
If it broke up in flight as stated, a parachute is the only hope.

evil7
29th Jul 2020, 20:20
If it broke up in flight as stated, a parachute is the only hope.

Or it broke up because of the parachute - maybe it deployed in cruise flight unintentionally?!
Only speculation, though.

rnzoli
30th Jul 2020, 10:30
When it comes to speculations, a strong contender is always the late deployment of the BRS.

Duchess_Driver
30th Jul 2020, 18:51
That BRS seems to cause more problems than it fixes...plus it encourages some pilots to do stupid things. Aviation is going to pot!
Quote (https://www.pprune.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=10846437)

Interesting POV... based on?

Ask the 70 odd Cirrus “Saves” their opinion.

BRS deployments inside their design parameters is surely a step in the right direction to making aviation safer all round.

Jonzarno
30th Jul 2020, 21:44
When it comes to speculations, a strong contender is always the late deployment of the BRS.

That sounds plausible: the picture of the damage to the apartment suggests impact at a speed quite a bit higher than would be likely under a properly deployed chute, especially given the relatively small size / weight of the aircraft involved.

Jonzarno
30th Jul 2020, 21:48
Interesting POV... based on?

Ask the 70 odd Cirrus “Saves” their opinion.

BRS deployments inside their design parameters is surely a step in the right direction to making aviation safer all round.

Actually 96 with 193 survivors.

Duchess_Driver
31st Jul 2020, 15:05
Actually 96 with 193 survivors

Been a couple of years since I checked...:ok:

jmmoric
4th Aug 2020, 13:09
Is the recommendation to use the shute if equipped, or only if no apparent landing site is within reach?

Pugilistic Animus
15th Aug 2020, 23:04
It appears as if I rushed to judgement, here is a less predjudiced opinion

https://www.avweb.com/ownership/cirrus-at-25-a-safer-airplane/