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Overheat
11th Jul 2020, 12:29
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Hard to believe how low some people go.

PilotLZ
11th Jul 2020, 12:38
Sadly not an isolated case - and not unique to the present crisis. I've seen people do that many years ago because they were desperate for the recency required to apply to a given place. Whenever some airline asks for "last flight on type within the last X months" and the candidate hasn't got that, this sort of ugly things start happening.

PilotLZ
11th Jul 2020, 14:17
True that unfortunately. Once such an email arrives, next thing you know is the manager offering a 50% pay cut "because, you see, I've got people willing to work for free and you should be thankful to have a paid job these days". The only lower level is someone offering to pay five digits for 300 or 500 hours.

Kakaru
11th Jul 2020, 14:52
I would not blame only him. I would also blame the system we currently live in. Profits is the top priority, human life or happiness - are on the bottom. I'd say he simply wants to stay current.

Tupolev154
11th Jul 2020, 15:32
As an A320 captain myself... It's shocking to see this happening (if true!) for such a demanding job but specially because of the high responsibility we have.

Auxtank
11th Jul 2020, 20:43
That's not an Aviator.
That's an arse.

Meester proach
11th Jul 2020, 20:48
I don’t think anyone would touch that sort of thing either way.

Having got as far as 320 TRE, you’d expect better judgement

PilotLZ
11th Jul 2020, 23:05
Can it as well be trolling with no real intentions to fly for free? TRIs aren't normally desperate for hours and are in a somewhat higher demand than regular pilots even in the worst of times. 1500 hours is the bare minimum for enrollment onto the course, most airlines won't normally fund it unless you are a Captain with some considerable LHS experience, many also require you to have some time in the capacity of Line Training Captain or Initial Line Experience Captain. Not to mention that with a TRI you can also get a job as a sim instructor - and such positions come up here and there even these days.

nickler
12th Jul 2020, 06:50
You can become a TRI on Your own with one of the severals ATOs in Europe offering said course.
From there, with the minimum experience required (which is really a minimum) You can hunt for a TRE course somewhere ; always on your own.
All will be "limited" to simulator training and checking.

TheBat
12th Jul 2020, 07:04
Come on, it HAS to be a troll. And a funny one too!
Nevertheless, you never know. We have seen worse with some P2F schemes.

nickler
12th Jul 2020, 07:44
Not necessarily ; might be the usual guy who thinks "I'll keep flying and current - so the moment a proper airline starts hiring I'll be current and screw all my colleagues !".
The above will hence set a new trend, i.e. keep current for free or book an A320 as You would hire a PA28 at your local flying club.
Companies will start providing P2F packages to keep current. 10, 20, or 50K Eur/USD for "time building" either on LHS/RHS.

olster
12th Jul 2020, 08:31
Pretty shocking.

Googlebug
12th Jul 2020, 13:57
I think this may have been a response to an advert by a Union asking for TRI and TREs to help out keeping members licences current if their made redundant.

I may be wrong, but if this is the case they’re helping out people in need in a dire time.

TheBat
12th Jul 2020, 15:22
This is not the case I am afraid. There's a copy of the un-edited email circulating around, and it is addressed to an actual airline (very small one)

TheBat
12th Jul 2020, 15:35
nickler

It could be either, really. What you're saying is correct. Nevertheles, the way the email is written and the choice of words used, indicate either a clever troll or what you are saying but with very bad English.

oceancrosser
12th Jul 2020, 19:57
The text appears to be Croatian. A certain east European carrier headquartered in Hungary would be inerested for sure...

Overheat
13th Jul 2020, 02:31
The brooker who fwd this e-mail is Croatian.
“ovo moram sacuvati” means “I have to save this” , him self not believing on a Free TRE.
All of us invested time, money and gave up dailly quality time with our famílies for this job.
This is not a hobbie. This is a hard demanding job. I’m sure nobody here thinks otherwise, but if you do, you are not an Aviator. You are just a piece of :mad:

midnight cruiser
13th Jul 2020, 07:30
Judging by the level of English and grammar in the 'advert', you get what you pay for!

Overheat
13th Jul 2020, 13:32
Well you got the message.
As a pro you should focous on the real problem.
If you choose not to, shame on you.

sonicbum
14th Jul 2020, 07:45
Not surprisingly at all ; as others have said, the general mentality amongst the pilot population is to always try and look for this little something that others did not reach or could not think about to be able to impress employers or colleagues. While sometimes this can be a positive way of thinking if applied correctly - in terms of safety for example - it becomes quickly detrimental when used against Your own colleagues, and that actually happens most of the time. The above is a perfect example ; Works for free, establishes a precedent and more will need to follow.

Emma Royds
19th Jul 2020, 21:19
Maybe the prospect of spending even more time at home with the wife fills him with fear.

fatbus
19th Jul 2020, 23:29
There was a US 320 Capt flying for some carrier in Vietnam " helping them out " during this difficult times me . BS ! There may be more to it but.....

Pearly White
20th Jul 2020, 02:02
Why worry? It's obviously an unsustainable position. Who can afford to work for nothing?

And it might just be a management troll.

deja vu
11th Aug 2020, 14:17
Down here in oz pilots have been doing this in GA for 50 years that I know of and happy to fly overweight and unserviceable light aircraft. Then they move to the airlines and sneer about how lousy GA is, and it is , thanks to these twerps.

fab777
11th Aug 2020, 17:40
I just saw an ad from Rishworth for Vietnam Airlines. A320 LTC/TRI/TRE position, 400 usd basic plus 25 usd/hour after the 25th.

Why not, if a captain is ready to fly for nothing?

PilotLZ
11th Aug 2020, 23:01
Sounds too good to be true, where can I sign up onto the waiting list?

On a serious note, does anyone think that this is actually sustainable? The cost of relocation to Vietnam, quite likely transferring your licence and medical, hiring accommodation, paying for transportation, food, amenities etc quickly adds up to an amount which you will never, ever recoup on this income. So, technically, you're going there to burn your savings instead of earning anything. P2F - TRI edition. And, unlike the clueless P2F blokes who sign onto almost similar schemes to get into the RHS, you're the one to go to jail if they screw up. Curious to know who will be desperate enough to take that.

45989
12th Aug 2020, 16:29
Flew a trip with an NINE year Easy copilot a few years ago (usless) . On his way to Vietnam as a Capt.
Makes you wonder?

Superpilot
13th Aug 2020, 09:31
Jobs like that in Asia right now are to meet some urgent but very very uncertain and short term need (those words are not contradictory in Asia).

RoyHudd
14th Aug 2020, 22:48
Extraordinary and sad times for aviators.

guy_incognito
15th Aug 2020, 11:15
The worrying thing is I don't think the bottom is anywhere near being reached. Terms and conditions still have a long, long way to fall.

Overheat
17th Aug 2020, 15:43
Is this P2F 2.0???
If it is Overheat out.

discus2
27th Aug 2020, 12:29
plenty of people willing to do that.
Btw Vietnam is all messed up. Dont go there.
They are indeed :

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Are they for real ?

SOPS
27th Aug 2020, 13:15
Is this what the industry has reduced to?

Meester proach
27th Aug 2020, 15:46
Is that a typo ?

CW247
27th Aug 2020, 16:21
Of course it's a typo. Not even a Vietnamese cabin crew could survive on $400 per month.

limahotel
27th Aug 2020, 17:24
Perhaps they forgot to add a zero to the basic fee. And it would still be appalling.

Meester proach
28th Aug 2020, 01:19
CW247

It’s not.. Someone contacted them according the “ redundancies “ thread in R&N. With flight pay can expect $3500_5000