QLK Network Changes [Archive]

Cessnadriver123

6th Jul 2020, 00:30

From what I’ve heard from those that are on the 300 and have been stood down since early April, the company continues to share very little information about the future of the classic fleet. They continue to deny rumours about planned reductions in the fleet (and even have started asking for who are starting the rumours so they can “have a chat to them”)

The current stance is there is not enough to demand to warrant the Q3 to fly, which hardly makes any sense, how can there be useful work on a 74 seater but not on a 50 seater.

noclue

6th Jul 2020, 02:29

That could get interesting - Lots of junior 400 CPT's

There isn’t enough “useful work” for all the 400 crew to start with, (hence rolling stand downs). How can a senior 300 crew member displace a junior crew member that doesn’t have useful work to do in the first place.
Trade stand down for stand down??

tictac123

6th Jul 2020, 03:20

BNE 300 base to close. Just operate them out of Sydney.

Would they swap them out for some SYD 400s or just add them to the SYD fleet? Either would present crewing challenges

tictac123

6th Jul 2020, 03:22

There isn’t enough “useful work” for all the 400 crew to start with, (hence rolling stand downs). How can a senior 300 crew member displace a junior crew member that doesn’t have useful work to do in the first place.
Trade stand down for stand down??

You'd like to think they're designing the network for a post-covid environment where everyone has been stood up?

Cessnadriver123

6th Jul 2020, 03:25

There isn’t enough “useful work” for all the 400 crew to start with, (hence rolling stand downs). How can a senior 300 crew member displace a junior crew member that doesn’t have useful work to do in the first place.
Trade stand down for stand down??

Well if the Q300 stops operating out of Brissy, there would have to be a reduction in establishment no doubt (keeping in mind pre COVID the classic club was averaging 10 stick hours a month)

The more senior guys will displace the 400 blokes, with those on the bottom of the seniority list most likely getting the wave goodbye

Going Nowhere

6th Jul 2020, 09:52

It’s been mentioned several times that there is no “plan” redundancies and that the classic will still have a place in QLink.

What is most likely that the very junior Captain’s on both fleets will head back to the RHS.

The unknown is how many senior F/O‘s will pick up a command at the expense of the Captain’s junior to them.

A lengthy and expensive training exercise for the company.

Fujiroll76

6th Jul 2020, 11:46

There isn’t enough “useful work” for all the 400 crew to start with, (hence rolling stand downs). How can a senior 300 crew member displace a junior crew member that doesn’t have useful work to do in the first place.
Trade stand down for stand down??

Pretty easily really. As soon as they announce the 300 is gone they will have to fine tune the establishment numbers on the 400. Should there be an excess once they include the senior 300 pilots then bye bye to the most junior 400 to make way.

technically yes it would be stand down for stand down - But id much rather be a stood down CPT than an FO

Anyone remember Cairns 2014....

TimmyTee

6th Jul 2020, 12:31

Didn't they turn up to a CNS base meeting and try and convince all the 300 drivers, senior captains included that they were off to Bris, regardless of seniority? Either a very bold strategy or incredible naivety?

noclue

6th Jul 2020, 21:00

Anyone remember Cairns 2014....

I remember one individual that would unfortunately become ill after arriving in Sydney for re training sims.
Delay the training=delay the check to line=delay the pay cut.

HappyBandit

6th Jul 2020, 22:11

I remember one individual that would unfortunately become ill after arriving in Sydney for re training sims.
Delay the training=delay the check to line=delay the pay cut.
He is no longer with the company thankfully, if it's the same fella I'm thinking.

Going Nowhere

6th Jul 2020, 23:00

One of the two isn't.

I don't remember anyone being told that they were off to Bris. A few went to ADL to retain their command and many just stayed in CNS as F/O's.

SDN Superstar

10th Jul 2020, 05:44

Would they swap them out for some SYD 400s or just add them to the SYD fleet? Either would present crewing challenges

A lot of Q400s sitting in Melbourne not doing much with COVID running crazy.

portalcarve

10th Jul 2020, 22:55

A lot of Q400s sitting in Melbourne not doing much with COVID running crazy.
That would match up with what the CP said before about the sims going to either Melbourne or Brisbane (or both?)
Could send the -300 sim to Melb along with the Bris -300 fleet, and use the Melb -400 fleet and -400 sim in QLD!

Fujiroll76

11th Jul 2020, 08:35

That would match up with what the CP said before about the sims going to either Melbourne or Brisbane (or both?)
Could send the -300 sim to Melb along with the Bris -300 fleet, and use the Melb -400 fleet and -400 sim in QLD!

The 300 is finished in Brisbane and if I was a betting man Adelaide too.
The issue they have, is when this is announced they will need to stand up 50 odd 300 drivers and train them onto a 400. With a fleet still not at 100% (and it won't for a while) its an extra expense that isn't needed.

Its in the companies best interest to keep the fairy tail alive..."The 300 will return" - Rubbish

SDN Superstar

11th Jul 2020, 09:18

The 300 is finished in Brisbane and if I was a betting man Adelaide too.

Sounds like what you’re saying is that the company is using EAA as the dumping ground for the classic fleet.

On eyre

11th Jul 2020, 11:12

The 300 is finished in Brisbane and if I was a betting man Adelaide too.
The issue they have, is when this is announced they will need to stand up 50 odd 300 drivers and train them onto a 400. With a fleet still not at 100% (and it won't for a while) its an extra expense that isn't needed.

Its in the companies best interest to keep the fairy tail alive..."The 300 will return" - Rubbish

Just curious as to why you think the 300 is finished in Adelaide?
From my observation it is a pretty good fit on the Port Lincoln, Whyalla and Kangaroo Island routes given the existing market size.

j3pipercub

11th Jul 2020, 11:41

After REXs little dummy spit about Orange, I would expect a larger 300 base in ADL, to remove the monopoly on a lot of other REX routes. Want to fly 737s on the J curve? Expect to be screwed with on your own home turf.

Fujiroll76

11th Jul 2020, 12:50

Just curious as to why you think the 300 is finished in Adelaide?
From my observation it is a pretty good fit on the Port Lincoln, Whyalla and Kangaroo Island routes given the existing market size.

Sorry to clarify, I believe the 300's days are numbered in Adelaide but the base will play a big part with the upcoming 2021 wars with our friends at Rex.

400's worked well years ago and with a better product overall than a SAAB - This is the market I see them exploring.

tictac123

12th Jul 2020, 08:30

Sounds like the company is using EAA as the dumping ground for the classic fleet.
:uhoh: .

Cessnadriver123

12th Jul 2020, 11:02

Classic club was all but dead in brissy pre COVID anyway

Going Nowhere

12th Jul 2020, 22:21

Classic club was all but dead in brissy pre COVID anyway

Which was why the trained around 5 additional Captain's in the months before?

On eyre

13th Jul 2020, 03:44

Sorry to clarify, I believe the 300's days are numbered in Adelaide but the base will play a big part with the upcoming 2021 wars with our friends at Rex.

400's worked well years ago and with a better product overall than a SAAB - This is the market I see them exploring.

Well actually the Q400 was overkill in SA when introduced previously. It would still be overkill on the Port Lincoln, Whyalla and Kingscote markets now. Far better to retain the 300, increase the frequency of flights if required to meet demand, seasonal or otherwise, and work the crews harder. The 300 would also be more aligned with demand if QF were to tackle Rex on other intrastate routes such as Mount Gambier.

Cessnadriver123

13th Jul 2020, 12:03

Which was why the trained around 5 additional Captain's in the months before?
yep, they definitely needed them, the others doing only 15 hours stick a month were struggling!

SDN Superstar

15th Jul 2020, 12:33

Cessnadriver123

16th Jul 2020, 05:25

I feel for the sustaining fleet guys and girls that have been stood down up there in Brisbane... The company has pretty much left them in the dark and given them nothing but crumbs about there future.

No reason for the smallest Qantas group airplane to be sitting on the tarmac while loads are these low.

Everyone can see that the sustaining fleet is not coming back - why string it along? I know they said it’s coming back - but they also said no redundancies in the group.

After it is moved out of Brisbane it’s going to be probably 2021 before they can justify converting those crew to the Q400. The sustaining fleet is the poor younger brother of the A380.

indeed. The lack of updates has been very poor form.

they have changed their tone now though. It’s no longer “we have no plans to remove the Classic”, but now the company line is “we obviously can’t comment on any of the rumours etc going around”

Useful work on a 74 seater, but not on a 50 seater.... hmmm makes a lot of sense...

Aimpoint

16th Jul 2020, 05:57

indeed. The lack of updates has been very poor form.

they have changed their tone now though. It’s no longer “we have no plans to remove the Classic”, but now the company line is “we obviously can’t comment on any of the rumours etc going around”

Useful work on a 74 seater, but not on a 50 seater.... hmmm makes a lot of sense...

The fact you're quoting that shows you are on the pilot conference call, which hasn't even finished yet. It sucks certain pilot groups are stood down, but your quote is out of context. No confirmation of plans yet because things are rapidly changing with borders and demand. There was nothing said to indicate the classic won't be back.

Edit - and reasons were later given why the 400 has been used over the classic. Not going to post any more specific details on a public forum.

Cessnadriver123

16th Jul 2020, 06:19

The fact you're quoting that shows you are on the pilot conference call, which hasn't even finished yet. It sucks certain pilot groups are stood down, but your quote is out of context. No confirmation of plans yet because things are rapidly changing with borders and demand. There was nothing said to indicate the classic won't be back.

Edit - and reasons were later given why the 400 has been used over the classic. Not going to post any more specific details on a public forum.
you must be a 400 driver. Living life happily with a full roster, busy as ever, while everyone else gets dudded with no information on their future

SDN Superstar

16th Jul 2020, 06:43

you must be a 400 driver. Living life happily with a full roster, busy as ever, while everyone else gets dudded with no information on their future

Don’t tar 400s with that brush, more likely to be management...

tictac123

16th Jul 2020, 07:05

With a number of network options having apparently been generated but no final decision yet made, it would be nice to at least know what's being considered.

Makes it tough to plan for the future when one may end up demoted or having to relocate with minimal notice. If they would just tell us what's being considered then we won't feel as blindsided when the decision is eventually revealed.

Can we assess management under the MAPP? ;)

SDN Superstar

16th Jul 2020, 07:17

Can we assess management under the MAPP? ;)

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Aimpoint

16th Jul 2020, 07:26

you must be a 400 driver. Living life happily with a full roster, busy as ever, while everyone else gets dudded with no information on their future

Salty much? Yes 400 but had stress and stand downs too so not all rosie like you think (I feel lucky to get some flying back). Plenty of good mates on long term stand down too, so I can empathise. It's a bad situation and I genuinely feel for you. But speaking out against your own company on Pprune, particularly using out of context quotes and thoughts, isn't going to solve anything. You probably shouldn't come out swinging at work mates either, I'm on your side.

You can accuse me of drinking the kool aid or being a company man, but you can't take the situation personally. I'm confident they want to keep people in jobs and I'm sure they'll advise everyone when they have clarity. Sounds like the clarity isn't too far away. Hope you're flying again soon, this Covid stuff and all of the uncertainty has been hard on everyone.

Cessnadriver123

16th Jul 2020, 11:53

Salty much? Yes 400 but had stress and stand downs too so not all rosie like you think (I feel lucky to get some flying back). Plenty of good mates on long term stand down too, so I can empathise. It's a bad situation and I genuinely feel for you. But speaking out against your own company on Pprune, particularly using out of context quotes and thoughts, isn't going to solve anything. You probably shouldn't come out swinging at work mates either, I'm on your side.

You can accuse me of drinking the kool aid or being a company man, but you can't take the situation personally. I'm confident they want to keep people in jobs and I'm sure they'll advise everyone when they have clarity. Sounds like the clarity isn't too far away. Hope you're flying again soon, this Covid stuff and all of the uncertainty has been hard on everyone.
Salty??!! The A380 crew have more certainty on their future than the classic club at the moment.

things tend to get old when you’ve been stood down for 4 months without any indication on timeframes for a return to flying. Being told you will get an update “in coming weeks” month after month, meeting after meeting, also gets old very quickly.

Fujiroll76

16th Jul 2020, 12:41

tictac123

16th Jul 2020, 22:41

I can't pay my bills, but at least we're all in this together. I'll keep those reassuring words in mind when my kids have their worst Christmas ever.
It's just a line the haves use on the have-nots when they need to prevent a mutiny.

Aimpoint

16th Jul 2020, 23:50

When are you guys going to realise pilots from other bases and fleets aren't the enemy? Management isn't the enemy in this. Covid and poor government decision are the enemy that are stopping you from coming back to work. The company aren't screwing you over to increase their bonus or share price - decisions are being made to keep Link and the whole airline alive. If they can do that, it stops or minimises job losses.

And if you want to keep playing the man, not the ball, I'll do the same. The majority of classic pilots have had the chance to bid to the 400. Judging by the location of some of the loudest on this thread, you're Brissy based. You've known for a long time that there wasn't much QLD work for the 300 pre COVID, yet you enjoyed "club classic" and the minimal stick flying that came with it. As far as I know, the FOs that had previously been awarded the 400 have started conversion training or are about to soon. For the others have have just been awarded 300 commands etc. the timing really sucks.

But you are not unique. Look at the crew in Victoria and NSW. How about the Link guys that just left to go to QF and are in no man's land? How about pilots at Virgin and Tiger who have been made redundant or are about to be. Link pilots being stood down is a bad situation, but at least you've got light at the end of the tunnel, eventually.

There's no 400 pilot who doesn't feel for the classic crew right now. But when you take the emotion out of it, you'll see there is no point having a dig at other fleets. And with respect to communication from management - would you rather they come out with a plan that is 70% certain, get everyone's hopes up and then have to advise everyone with a revised plan a week later because the situation is so fluid? Or do you want them to line up the ducks properly to either get the Classic back flying or work out a transition to the 400?

If you're still angry, chat to your AFAP reps about why the communication from them has been so poor and unprofessional over the last 4 months.

I can't wait for a time when all this bullish!t is over and we are all back flying .

Captain Stoobing

17th Jul 2020, 00:34

Well said Aimpoint

tictac123

17th Jul 2020, 01:02

at least you've got light at the end of the tunnel, eventually.

And with respect to communication from management - would you rather they come out with a plan that is 70% certain, get everyone's hopes up and then have to advise everyone with a revised plan a week later because the situation is so fluid? Or do you want them to line up the ducks properly to either get the Classic back flying or work out a transition to the 400?

Is there light at the end of the tunnel though?? There certainly was light earlier when there were 'no plans for redundancies', the new network was apparently just a couple of weeks away from being finalised, and we were all on 2-week stand downs in anticipation of an imminent return to flying... but now? The tone has certainly shifted a little. And yes, there will always be pilot groups around the world who are in a worse situation than others, covid or not - but that doesn't justify the poor handling of the classic crews. "But hey, it could be worse" is terrible leadership in any organisation.

I can't speak for everyone, but personally I would rather we were given half an idea of what things could happen. Something like: "Details and timings are yet to be finalised, but we're mostly considering between [insert Plan A here] and [insert Plan B here] or anywhere in between. Some of the issues are x, y, z which we're working on. When we reach [% demand /target /milestone /date] we'll be in a position to lock it in and put the plan into action." Given the situation is so fluid as you say, will the 'ducks' ever be perfectly lined up? At some point, near enough has got to be good enough. With three different fleet sizes available, the company would have greater flexibility and opportunity to right size the sectors and maximise profits.

Communication can still be effective without having all of the information at hand. It just requires a certain level of honestly and openness, which I believe would in turn restore some of the trust, respect and morale that has been lost. ("Actively promote open and timely communication, even in challenging situations"). If it's communicated correctly, I don't think anyone would blame management for tweaking a plan in response to a changed situation - on the contrary, that's good decision making! Saying nothing except "we'll have more for you in a couple of weeks" and then repeatedly not delivering, is not good communication.

On a tangent, no one in their right mind should be willing to accept any future roles on the classic fleet when they see how dispensable they are.

SDN Superstar

17th Jul 2020, 01:28

Where is AFAP in all of this?

The QLD borders are open! Having the 300’s stood down is now a commercial decision.

THERE IS USEFUL WORK - Absolutely ridiculous, make the call, either get rid of it and train the 300 crew onto the 400 or put it back online.

End of story

Where is AFAP indeed!!!!

I’ll put money on the fact that we see EAA Q400 pilots operating in Brissy before we see the Q300 back flying, after all - it’s cheaper than brining the sustaining fleet back.

hillbillybob

17th Jul 2020, 01:39

If you're still angry, chat to your AFAP reps about why the communication from them has been so poor and unprofessional over the last 4 months.

AFAP have been particularly quiet through all of this (and rightly so after the cluster of the EBA negotiation), the cairns ones haven't said much other than why are the BNE 400 doing so much. haven't heard anything from Russ on the 300 side

Cessnadriver123

17th Jul 2020, 01:45

Is there light at the end of the tunnel though?? There certainly was light earlier when there were 'no plans for redundancies', the new network was apparently just a couple of weeks away from being finalised, and we were all on 2-week stand downs in anticipation of an imminent return to flying... but now? The tone has certainly shifted a little. And yes, there will always be pilot groups around the world who are in a worse situation than others, covid or not - but that doesn't justify the poor handling of the classic crews. "But hey, it could be worse" is terrible leadership in any organisation.

I can't speak for everyone, but personally I would rather we were given half an idea of what things could happen. Something like: "Details and timings are yet to be finalised, but we're mostly considering between [insert Plan A here] and [insert Plan B here] or anywhere in between. Some of the issues are x, y, z which we're working on. When we reach [% demand /target /milestone /date] we'll be in a position to lock it in and put the plan into action." Given the situation is so fluid as you say, will the 'ducks' ever be perfectly lined up? At some point, near enough has got to be good enough. With three different fleet sizes available, the company would have greater flexibility and opportunity to right size the sectors and maximise profits.

Communication can still be effective without having all of the information at hand. It just requires a certain level of honestly and openness, which I believe would in turn restore some of the trust, respect and morale that has been lost. ("Actively promote open and timely communication, even in challenging situations"). If it's communicated correctly, I don't think anyone would blame management for tweaking a plan in response to a changed situation - on the contrary, that's good decision making! Saying nothing except "we'll have more for you in a couple of weeks" and then repeatedly not delivering, is not good communication.

On a tangent, no one in their right mind should be willing to accept any future roles on the classic fleet when they see how dispensable they are.
Hear hear!

It sounds like the sustaining fleet won’t be returning till the 400’s are operating at their max capacity. Government exemptions for security isn’t helping the return to flying either.

In regards to AFAP, I’ve been told Eastern don’t even have any Q300 representation on the pilot council! All Q4 drivers. I would of thought the sunnies blokes could have a stronger voice though.

SDN Superstar

17th Jul 2020, 02:06

AFAP have been particularly quiet through all of this (and rightly so after the cluster of the EBA negotiation), the cairns ones haven't said much other than why are the BNE 400 doing so much. haven't heard anything from Russ on the 300 side

They couldn’t even get the EBA through when both mainline EAs got up.

What do you expect them to do with a far more complex issue?!?

toothless tiger comes to mind!

Callsign Please

17th Jul 2020, 02:30

In regards to AFAP, I’ve been told Eastern don’t even have any Q300 representation on the pilot council

You’ve been told correctly. I’ve tried to ask about it.

All of us, north or south, would just like to know for how much longer we’ll be ‘sustaining’ the 400 with our tax instead of our job.

Arnold E

17th Jul 2020, 02:37

What do you mean, "sustaining" the 400 with our TAX ???

VH-FTS

17th Jul 2020, 03:06

All of us, north or south, would just like to know for how much longer we’ll be ‘sustaining’ the 400 with our tax instead of our job.

That comment and some of the above just shows how far out of touch some of you are with what's going on. Yes routes are still subsidised but many non-subsidisd are seeing a good increase in pax. But the fact is the 300 isn't suitable for most of the QLD routes, which is why it isn't being used. Not enough fuel/range and not enough seats. But hey, let's bring back a 300 do a Bundy return then sit there the rest of the day. That's not going to bleed money due to all the associated costs, is it? The 400 might be more expensive to operate on a short flight to Bundy or Hervey Bay, but efficiencies are gained when it also covers Mackay, Moranbah etc. in the same day.

This anti-400 vitriol is sad, you'll lose the support of your colleagues. Hope you hear a decision soon.

tictac123

17th Jul 2020, 03:45

That comment and some of the above just shows how far out of touch some of you are with what's going on

I'm not sure if that's directed at me or not but I've got nothing against the 400 guys and gals. They're just doing their jobs, the same as we would if the situation was reversed. But we'd be less "out of touch" if there was better information flow! :ugh:

But the fact is the 300 isn't suitable for most of the QLD routes, which is why it isn't being used. Not enough fuel/range and not enough seats. But hey, let's bring back a 300 do a Bundy return then sit there the rest of the day. That's not going to bleed money due to all the associated costs, is it? The 400 might be more expensive to operate on a short flight to Bundy or Hervey Bay, but efficiencies are gained when it also covers Mackay, Moranbah etc. in the same day.

So at what point would there be sufficient demand to stand up some BNE 300 crews... 2 return trips a day? 3? 5? Is there even a number in mind or is the company just blowing in the breeze? Or are the BNE 300 classic crews staying stood down until it's time for them to do 400 differences? At what point will that be?

And what about the 300 in SYD - surely there's useful work available there at the moment with sectors and loads more suited to the 300?

Yes people are getting frustrated, confused and anxious, but only due to the lack of comms.

Going Nowhere

17th Jul 2020, 03:46

That comment and some of the above just shows how far out of touch some of you are with what's going on. Yes routes are still subsidised but many non-subsidisd are seeing a good increase in pax. But the fact is the 300 isn't suitable for most of the QLD routes, which is why it isn't being used. Not enough fuel/range and not enough seats. But hey, let's bring back a 300 do a Bundy return then sit there the rest of the day. That's not going to bleed money due to all the associated costs, is it? The 400 might be more expensive to operate on a short flight to Bundy or Hervey Bay, but efficiencies are gained when it also covers Mackay, Moranbah etc. in the same day.

This anti-400 vitriol is sad, you'll lose the support of your colleagues. Hope you hear a decision soon.

Someone who gets it.

For the company to bring back one line of Q300 flying in BNE would require 5-6 sets of crew to be stood up. AM shift, PM shift, 2 on reserve and 1-2 on a Day off. By comparison to bring on an additional Q400 line of flying would potentially require no extra crew, they could just draw down on the current reserve list each day.

The company would also need to spend money getting crew current and the Q300 aircraft out of storage.

It doesn't make any commercial sense and at the moment that is the primary driver in any decision made about fleet utilisation.

It's not fair but there isn't a 400 pilot that I have spoken to who doesn't feel for the situation that the classic crew are in.

Callsign Please

17th Jul 2020, 04:00

Hope you hear a decision soon.

We all do, this is the point.

Be assured neither I or anyone I know bear any grudge against any fleet or pilot. It's a great thing that demand is picking up, and there's no doubt that the playing field changes every day.
Nobody wants 100 pilots stood up for one flight a day, nor should we expect to be back to normal tomorrow, but it's hard to be confident when four weeks ago a solid plan was to be expected within two weeks. Just helping us understand where they want us to fit in that plan would go a very long way.

SDN Superstar

17th Jul 2020, 04:04

Not enough fuel/range and not enough seats. But hey, let's bring back a 300 do a Bundy return then sit there the rest of the day..

So that logic doesn’t work during a pandemic with low loads...

Your trying to say that there are not enough seats on a 50 seat plane when loads are single figures....

Going Nowhere

17th Jul 2020, 04:10

4 weeks ago, the company didn't know Victoria was going to happen either. That has put a massive spanner in the works. There's nothing to say that the QLD Governmnent won't place restrictions on additional areas in NSW as well.

Fujiroll76

17th Jul 2020, 10:54

AFAP have been particularly quiet through all of this (and rightly so after the cluster of the EBA negotiation), the cairns ones haven't said much other than why are the BNE 400 doing so much. haven't heard anything from Russ on the 300 side

Russ has checked out mate. Already sorting out his premier suite at the holiday inn for his 400 checkie gig

Going Nowhere

17th Jul 2020, 11:02

History shows that there are no guarantees that any C&T crew on the 300 will retain that on the 400.

portalcarve

17th Jul 2020, 22:45

If you're still angry, chat to your AFAP reps about why the communication from them has been so poor and unprofessional over the last 4 months.

I'm not sure anyone is necessarily complaining about the lack of communication from AFAP... in fact they were the ones to confirm there would be no -300 redundancies when the company was silent on the matter.
"Ah crap... the pilots want better leadership and information... I know, let's blame the union!"

hillbillybob

18th Jul 2020, 02:08

Russ has checked out mate. Already sorting out his premier suite at the holiday inn for his 400 checkie gig

the 3 R's of the committee need a rocket at the best of times

DeafStar

18th Jul 2020, 02:49

the 3 R's of the committee need a rocket at the best of times

Wow what an attitude. I think you will find the Chairman of the SS Council has done more for pilots in his long career than you ever will. The AFAP are struggling through this mess the best they can. Can you do any better?

SDN Superstar

18th Jul 2020, 03:12

History shows that there are no guarantees that any C&T crew on the 300 will retain that on the 400.

Which is why some members of the council probably have a conflict of interest in negotiating with the company.

Must be tough knowing that if you step out of line you might not continue to get your holiday in points when you move to the Q400.

hillbillybob

18th Jul 2020, 04:17

Wow what an attitude. I think you will find the Chairman of the SS Council has done more for pilots in his long career than you ever will. The AFAP are struggling through this mess the best they can. Can you do any better?

It must be happening on deep background because there is very little information coming from the council of late.

Certainly if I have a career that is as long as the Chair I hope to achieve a lot for pilots but I hope to spread the wins more evenly, not doing this sort of thing (https://www.pprune.org/showthread.php?p=8981531 as mentioned by rustytrombone)

Arewegettingjets

18th Jul 2020, 05:36

It must be happening on deep background because there is very little information coming from the council of late.

Certainly if I have a career that is as long as the Chair I hope to achieve a lot for pilots but I hope to spread the wins more evenly, not doing this sort of thing (https://www.pprune.org/showthread.php?p=8981531 as mentioned by rustytrombone)

Ahhhh the 2015 EBA... They were good times.

portalcarve

19th Jul 2020, 00:55

it seems you can just offer to look after the FTD to avoid doing any stand down. apparently enough useful work for it to be a few full time jobs

SDN Superstar

21st Jul 2020, 11:38

it seems you can just offer to look after the FTD to avoid doing any stand down. apparently enough useful work for it to be a few full time jobs

conducting 300 FO to 400 FO training isn’t essential/required work, but getting a simulator for a stood down fleet online is?

SDN Superstar

23rd Jul 2020, 07:48

Apparently the BNE Q300 pilots just suffered through the most underwhelming performance since Taylor Swift premiered in CATS the movie.

Dempster

23rd Jul 2020, 08:13

Apparently the BNE Q300 pilots just suffered through the most underwhelming performance since Taylor Swift premiered in CATS the movie.

Care to elaborate?

Hold_Filer

25th Jul 2020, 08:17

SDN Superstar

25th Jul 2020, 08:32

Hey mates, got any more expansion on this bne webinair? In syd were getting classic captains stood up now and some fos but only one or two per rostering period. No communications from the company just the roster publishment is the source of knowledge.

So the Q300 is returning to NSW as COVID cases increase while Queensland remains COVID and classic free. Without any commitments from the company?

Start getting ready to set power by the detent ladies and gents - your not getting the classic back in Brisbane.