View Full Version : Moscow Victory Day Parade Flypast
https://youtu.be/jhTYGXhEEKE
MPN11
26th Jun 2020, 09:29
Flogfoot 5 and 6 got a bit wobbly (3:30)
Harley Quinn
26th Jun 2020, 13:03
Very impressive, but a lot of that hardware must be getting pretty old by now.
Asturias56
26th Jun 2020, 14:04
You might say the same at most military flypasts these days - even the F-35 has been over a decade since first flight
Very impressive, but a lot of that hardware must be getting pretty old by now.
On the contrary, most will be pretty young, comparatively speaking - younger than their typical western counterparts, too.
It's a toss - up as to whether the Fencers or Candids are longest in the tooth here.
MPN11
26th Jun 2020, 18:11
But ... ignoring hardware, how good are they at what matters?
Bombing Arab towns in a benign environment with total air superiority is one thing. But how about sustained operations against another major power/Alliance?
I pray we will never find out.
tonker
26th Jun 2020, 21:40
Old or not, they’ve a leader not afraid to use it, who’s backed up by a population who’ll sacrifice a million in an instant to put one over on the west. That is their true power.
Tankertrashnav
27th Jun 2020, 11:52
Be interesting to know what proportion of its GDP Russia spends on defence. The Russian economy is often stated to be about the same size as Italy's, so all that hardware must be having an affect of the standard of living of the man in the street (or the woman in the village). A good illustration of the power of a demagogue that there is not more protest from the Russian public.
MPN11
27th Jun 2020, 12:46
ISTR the NATO/US Arms Race was quite damaging to the Soviet economy a few decades ago.
As you note, TTN, it’s easier to manage with a subservient population.
dead_pan
27th Jun 2020, 18:30
Not a bad little flypast - didn't realise they still fielded a Foxbat variant.
Not a bad little flypast - didn't realise they still fielded a Foxbat variant.
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MightyGem
27th Jun 2020, 19:29
Be interesting to know what proportion of its GDP Russia spends on defence.
3.9% last year according to this:
https://www.sipri.org/commentary/topical-backgrounder/2020/russias-military-spending-frequently-asked-questions
racedo
27th Jun 2020, 22:17
But ... ignoring hardware, how good are they at what matters?
Bombing Arab towns in a benign environment with total air superiority is one thing. But how about sustained operations against another major power/Alliance?
I pray we will never find out.
Like Afghanistan / Irag / Syria / Libya then ............... much is lauded of western equipment but workshop to mission hours is a major issue of western equipment, suppliers make their money on spares.
When Russian was invited into Syria the statements on here quoted "Pentagon" and their talking heads on MSM. Russian equipment would soon be grounded as not up to US standards. This quickly started to sound hollow when flight hours per aircraft was rising and month after month aircraft did what they were supposed to......... fly rather than spend time being worked on.
Western equipment is designed ultimately to make Military contractors money 1st and do a job 2nd. Long as #1 is achived the outcome of #2 is of no concern.
Like you I hope not to see them tested but I believe we will as there is a section of people who desire war.
racedo
27th Jun 2020, 22:27
ISTR the NATO/US Arms Race was quite damaging to the Soviet economy a few decades ago.
As you note, TTN, it’s easier to manage with a subservient population.
One needs to look at UK over last 3 plus months in relation to subservient............... Govt screwed up and then scared the people into mass house arrest, anybody who questioned it was an enemy of the state wanting to kill people, national religion became "Worship the NHS" and a pliant media fell into line while the economy died and few questioned their actions .
I was in a key worker role than needed to travel, I founded people screaming at others in a filling station because the supposed 2 metre rule wasn't being adhered to it, it was but they put tape down every 3 metres. :ugh: The mass hysteria was scary to see in action while neigbours became willing spies that the Stasi would have welcomed.
racedo
27th Jun 2020, 22:30
3.9% last year according to this:
https://www.sipri.org/commentary/topical-backgrounder/2020/russias-military-spending-frequently-asked-questions
One of the stats used to push the figure higher is Purchasing Power so somehow Russia are spending 3 times more than they physically are and likewise China which means US DOD Budget needs to keep rising.
Sadly US Budget spending is doing exactly what it did to USSR, everybody wants a piece of the cake.
Asturias56
28th Jun 2020, 08:49
" Govt screwed up and then scared the people into mass house arrest, anybody who questioned it was an enemy of the state wanting to kill people, national religion became "Worship the NHS" and a pliant media fell into line while the economy died and few questioned their actions ."
Well the alternative was mass deaths and hospitals being overwhelmed so i think they got it right..............
dead_pan
30th Jun 2020, 11:10
3.9% last year according to this:
https://www.sipri.org/commentary/topical-backgrounder/2020/russias-military-spending-frequently-asked-questions
Whoa! Sign them up to NATO then! They could almost cover off Germany's shortfall....