Another fine example of R44 scenic trips

[nomorehelosforme]

Considering the weather conditions all on board were extremely fortunate to not get very far from point of take off!

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9j1fd_1588604955

On May 4, 2020, at about 15:55, the sightseeing helicopter of the privateWugongshan Air Flight Camp in the area of Wugongmountain Scenic Area of Pingxiang was overworked in the Jinding area with very low air overturn, with no casualties.

After the accident, the scenic area immediately started emergency plans, scenic management, medical and blue sky rescue team and other staff rushed to the scene for disposal, the cause of the accident is under further investigation.

[nomorehelosforme]

Question, had they successfully got 50 feet of the ground where the f**k where they planning on going in that ****e?

[krypton_john]

Was that Hogg?

[John R81]

I have suffered myself from "very low air overturn", after a particularly rich curry. :eek: Almost led to divorce!

[aa777888]

Your thread title implies that somehow the fact that it was an R44 involved in this incident was the root cause of this event, and that if they had used any other helicopter the problem would never have happened. Is that true? And if it is would you please explain the logic behind that point of view?

[GrayHorizonsHeli]

theres 2 common denominators here...dumbass pilots and R44's

combine the two and it's almost a guarantee you're bending metal.

Im recently started watching those crazy tiktok videos, and there has been a few videos i have seen from canada with a guy flying a black R44 in a questionable manner...I'm just waiting for the incident/accident video of him.

[Bell_ringer]

Your thread title implies that somehow the fact that it was an R44 involved in this incident was the root cause of this event, and that if they had used any other helicopter the problem would never have happened. Is that true? And if it is would you please explain the logic behind that point of view?

Every other aircraft would have got off the ground with 4 pob :E, they would have just gone on to later meet the ground in a more impressive manner.
While not unique to robbies, the people, experience and probability that leads to this type of accident seem to gravitate to that type, more so when it happens to be Brazil, Russia or China.

[Robbiee]

Your thread title implies that somehow the fact that it was an R44 involved in this incident was the root cause of this event, and that if they had used any other helicopter the problem would never have happened. Is that true? And if it is would you please explain the logic behind that point of view?

Don't sweat it, I'm sure if they ever come out with a four seat Cabri (and its not too overpriced) we'll start seeing a lot of these dumbass type of accidents involving it as well.

[aa777888]

Every other aircraft would have got off the ground with 4 pob :E, they would have just gone on to later meet the ground in a more impressive manner.
While not unique to robbies, the people, experience and probability that leads to this type of accident seem to gravitate to that type, more so when it happens to be Brazil, Russia or China.
That's like saying inexpensive automobiles lead to more drunk driving accidents. Let's not blame the tool for the faults of the user, nor the maker of the tool for making it affordable and accessible to a greater number of people. Instead let's blame the correct subsystem, in this case the pilot. Indeed, perhaps we should also be assigning some blame to those who purport to educate and certify these idiots who clearly continue to demonstrate poor airmanship and decision making skills.

[nomorehelosforme]

That's like saying inexpensive automobiles lead to more drunk driving accidents. Let's not blame the tool for the faults of the user, nor the maker of the tool for making it affordable and accessible to a greater number of people. Instead let's blame the correct subsystem, in this case the pilot. Indeed, perhaps we should also be assigning some blame to those who purport to educate and certify these idiots who clearly continue to demonstrate poor airmanship and decision making skills.

Same old from you and Robbie in defense of your blessed machines...... stay safe

[Torquetalk]

Same old from you and Robbie in defense of your blessed machines...... stay safe

R44 is a lot of helicopter for little money.

But many of the accidents have the same lack of awareness of mass and performance limitations in common. And lots of instructors wax lyrical about R44 power. But it DOESN’t have big power reserves if you get anywhere beyond 3-up and a half tank of fuel. Walk into a power requirement situation naively and Alice is heading for a trip down the rabbit hole.

[ApolloHeli]

Despite all the design flaws of the R44, you gotta admit that the disgustingly long main rotor shaft does ensure that when the pilot rolls it over the main rotor is well clear of the cockpit! (at least in the few videos I've seen.... Save the blade sailing anecdotes for some other robbie bashing thread in future).

[aa777888]

Same old from you and Robbie in defense of your blessed machines...... stay safe
No less than I expect from you, either. What machine do you find "most blessed"? I'll be happy to post implying how it was the machine's fault every time one crashes. Very easy to do with a lot of machines. G2--oh look, someone let the fenestron get away from them again. Jetbox--oh look, "LTE". 500--damn cowboy factor got him again. Squirrel got squirrely on landing. All RUBBISH. The pilot didn't fly the machine properly and within limits, period.

Now if you want to argue about how the workings of insurance underwriters lets less experience pilots fly less expensive and therefore less capable aircraft thus leading to more crashes by same in same because of same, then that's a reasonable discussion. But don't blame the machine. If everyone started out in the safest, highest performance margin helicopter possible and worked DOWN to the Robinson that would change a lot of things, wouldn't it? But that's not how it works, unless perhaps if you are ex/retired military.

[Robbiee]

Same old from you and Robbie in defense of your blessed machines...... stay safe

Gee, I'm sorry my affinity for a particular helicopter makes you condescending,...would you like me to buy you an ice cream cone.

[Bell_ringer]

That's like saying inexpensive automobiles lead to more drunk driving accidents. Let's not blame the tool for the faults of the user, nor the maker of the tool for making it affordable and accessible to a greater number of people. Instead let's blame the correct subsystem, in this case the pilot. Indeed, perhaps we should also be assigning some blame to those who purport to educate and certify these idiots who clearly continue to demonstrate poor airmanship and decision making skills.

Absolutely right, Robbies don't kill people, people kill people. :}