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unclenelli
7th Apr 2020, 20:36
I've been to Belsen
No wildlife, no trees, no birds, nothing other than coarse grass & heather. Nothing is left! Even this many years on!!!!
Only mounds with "Hier lies x000 Juden"
And the graves of Anne & Margot Frank near the memorial.





"Such things will never happen again"
SUCH THINGS MUST NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN!!

The AvgasDinosaur
8th Apr 2020, 07:03
Somewhere on the web there is a picture of two IDF/AF F-15 over the gates of Auswicz flown by descendants !
That is a moving picture
David

Crromwellman
8th Apr 2020, 10:39
And Richard Dimbelby's measured, eloquent description of the horrors he found so that the facts got out, despite BBC masters fearing it would "frighten the horses." Compare it with the current crop of news "celebrities" who communicate by semaphore and weep.
During my military career, I visited Bergen-Belsen twice and last night brought back very deep memories. The starkness of thee place has not changed

pr00ne
8th Apr 2020, 10:42
Crromwellman,

"Compare it with the current crop of news "celebrities" who communicate by semaphore and weep."

Seeing as I see constant measured, eloquent descriptions of events almost daily on current TV, especially on Sky, BBC and ITV, I can only imagine that you are merely pandering to your own agenda with such a statement?

Captivep
8th Apr 2020, 11:53
I visited Belsen as a twelve year old in 1973 and the impact of that day has never left me; utterly chilling.

Nigerian Expat Outlaw
8th Apr 2020, 15:19
I've been to Belsen
No wildlife, no trees, no birds, nothing other than coarse grass & gorse. Nothig is left! Even this many years on!!!!
Only mounds with "Here lies x000 Juden"
And the graves of Anne & Margot Frank near the memorial.





"Such things will never happen again"

I went to Bergen/Belsen three times in the 70s and early 80s and felt the same sickness, oppression and overwhelming sadness each time. The second and third visits were to confirm that this emotional low wasn't an anomaly. I also felt a futile desire to kick the s**t out of someone/something connected to the SS who had merely (so they testified at their trial) been carrying out the Fuhrers orders.
Forgive and forget is a much used phrase; with regard to the Holocaust this must never be the case.

NEO

pr00ne
8th Apr 2020, 15:27
Nigerian expat Outlaw,


Nice post, well put.

Slow Biker
8th Apr 2020, 19:06
Such a bleak place. It was late in the year and the light was going; there were just three of us, the only ones there. We walked in silence, then, in the near distance the tank guns on Hohne range started firing. It was quite hair raising.

We took our daughters to Dachau when they were in their early teens; we wanted them to see that the atrocity perpetrated there was not fiction. We were handed a leaflet which suggested we should not blame the locals, as they didn't know. Really?

downsizer
8th Apr 2020, 19:17
Went to Dachau as FD when on an Exped in Bavaria.

The guide we had said the locals didn't know, but bearing in mind the area was built up around the camp, and the trees were 75 years smaller I don't buy it.

Haunting place though and I found some of the other visitors quite distasteful with the selfie taking and what not.

Lantern10
8th Apr 2020, 22:27
My father told me a few years before he died that he was in the first column of British troops that drove into Belsen in 1945. He wouldn't say any more though, and I as a young boy eager for war stories could never get any out of him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atD-zqSpsNo

Asturias56
9th Apr 2020, 07:20
I f you want to know how it happened watch "Conspiracy" - the TV show from the early 00's - the Wannsee Conference in more or less real time. Well dressed men sitting round a table quietly discussing how to kill 10 million people...........

air pig
9th Apr 2020, 11:42
I f you want to know how it happened watch "Conspiracy" - the TV show from the early 00's - the Wannsee Conference in more or less real time. Well dressed men sitting round a table quietly discussing how to kill 10 million people...........

Brannagh was quite sinister in that playing Heydrich. An excellent film. As a documentary watch ‘Night will fall’ the Sidney Bernstein documentary. Went to Berlin last year and if you take the train from the Brandemberger Tor to Orienenberg and within 10 minutes you can walk to the camp that was at Sachenhausen. It’s now a flat generally empty expanse within a walled area. Some huts have been preserved including the medical block. No birdlife at all. The houses outside that housed the camp senior staff are still occupied and the concentration camp inspectorate offices the so called T building opposite still stand and are the local tax office.

The other place in Berlin is the old Stasi prison Hoenschonhausen in the old East Berlin, quite quite sinister in a different way.

Asturias56
9th Apr 2020, 16:37
Yes - I think it was one of Branagh's best - very smart, very affable and cheery and as hard as bloody nails - just like Heydrich himself ...........

air pig
9th Apr 2020, 18:07
Yes - I think it was one of Branagh's best - very smart, very affable and cheery and as hard as bloody nails - just like Heydrich himself ...........
One scene in that film was when somebody raised a difficulty and the glare of pure evil that Brannagh playing Heydrich portrayed was so convincing..

Fareastdriver
9th Apr 2020, 19:49
Here are some shots from Pathe news that were waiting for commentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHIDHniKVjQ&has_verified=1.

SPIT
10th Apr 2020, 16:14
What uncnenlli stated is so true. I went there in the early 70s and what I could not understand was how the locals could say they DID NOT KNOW about it ???