Job seeking issues in 2020

[berlioz]

Nowadays you see many adverts looking for pilots:
NPAS
Babcock Onshore
SAS
London Air Ambulance

Is there a short of pilots in the UK?
But still with all these Operators looking for pilots the pay is basically the same in all of them....strange days

[Bravo73]

Is there a short of pilots in the UK?

No.

But there is a shortage of pilots who are willing to work for a least 3 of those operators T&Cs.

[berlioz]

No.

But there is a shortage of pilots who are willing to work for a least 4 of those operators T&Cs.

Can you elaborate a bit on that?
Why are this operators so bad?

Thanks

[Sir Korsky]

interesting that the po po have recast the wording on their eligibility requirements.

[berlioz]

There is a large shortage of pilots that have the requirements/experience for most of these HEMS PIC jobs. eg 500 hours PIC multi, NVG time, HEMS experience, correct type rating etc, hence they are always looking for people.

You can be an offshore captain with 10,000 hours and you won't get a HEMS PIC job because of the lack of NVG/HEMS experience

SAS only pay £35,000 for a new co-pilot (with limited progression to command), so offshore is a much more attractive option

Night shifts for £60,000 a year put a lot of people off an NPAS job

Thanks for the reply

Its crazy that the requirements are like that, specially the NVIS. You can only get NVIS if you come from the military or if you fly HEMS.......And if to get a HEMS job you need NVIS...its almost like a dog chasing its own tail.

I agree that offshore could be more attractive but still very hard to join.

It just blows my mind that there a shortage of pilots with all the conditions but still operators don´t increase salaries to attract them, or....just train them. (and i know that most work in HEMS is done on behalf of charities).

[Sir Korsky]

It all comes down to money. They don't want to spend it on pilots, (even though the charities are extremely rich and can afford to buy new $8.5 million aircraft)

>It just blows my mind that there a shortage of pilots with all the conditions but still operators don't increase salaries to attract them, or....just train them.

for most folks in aviation, this is their song sheet. The sinew servo is the most cheapest and expendable component in the cockpit and always has been.

[Yonez]

The YAA job doesn’t insist on either H145 rating or NVIS experience. Both will be provided for the right candidate, but how many candidates will they have? The last job they advertised was given to their only respondent.
The reason they had so little interest is either because there are so few pilots or because their Ts & Cs are so dire. I presume the latter, no loss of license & only 3% pension contribution. 4 pilots in 12 months? Something ain’t right.
Similar, I suppose, with the Babcock Barton job.
And are NPAS committed to retaining all their current bases? If not, why would anyone commit to a company that may let them go in the not so distant future.
To get a measure of availability in the UK maybe look at the new pilot workforce just taken on by GAMA in Scotland.

[MightyGem]

But there is a shortage of pilots who are willing to work for a least 4 of those operators T&Cs.
There are also a large number of NPAS pilots eating 60 at the moment.

[Brutal]

The shortage is because of T's & C's. Regarding Hems, when the schedule was Day, VFR only, the pay was not too bad, but now, it's Day/night shifts, NVG.,IR required etc and the Pay has not really gone up to match the skill set required and for doing shift work.
I disagree that "it's not going to be anywhere near offshore wages"! That's just what the management of these charities love to hear. When you see that most, not all I know, of these charities are obscenely rich, buying brand new state of the art aircraft, some could argue unnecessary purchases, and moving to their new hangers, just on the other side of the same aerodrome etc, spending millions to avoid paying HMRC, I would say that with the above reasons they NEED to start paying much higher wages than continuing to shout we're a charity crap expecting people to accept less for that reason!
How much does the YAA have in the bank? 3% pension?
The one charity I see that is careful with the publics kind and generous donations in terms of aircraft type is the GNAA. They buy 2nd hand cheap (in comparison) Dauphins which are more than capable of saving lives? (The new base is a bit overkill though)?
If London HEMS is paying 70k for day vfr only, (yes I know it's London and expensive, but so are some other areas of the UK), what should the other hems operators be paying for everything they require?
Fly safe,
B.

[JulieAndrews]

Using 'cheap' Dauphins is one thing, but purchasing a type with genuine PC1 performance to hospital rooftops is another matter entirely.........

[Bravo73]

If London HEMS is paying 70k for day vfr only,

The London pilots still need an IR (even if it rarely gets used).

[berlioz]

I guess while there is a constant supply of ex-mil people willing to take HEMS jobs for the salaries they are offering, the companies are not going to change the salaries on offer.

People have been saying this ex-mill pool is drying up for years, but it never seems to.

Not so sure the big supply of pilots is there.....In the last 2 years we have seen a constant lookout for pilots from the big HEMS operators. But still basically no changes in the pay, and as far as i Know pilots are getting the same either they are on the 24h roster or a sunset to sun down roster. Or flying single pilot IR or Multi-crew. Its a standard pay for all pilots.

[Brutal]

Pilot pool definitely drying up...just last month saw a piece stating a lump sum offered to mil pilots to stay in the forces as they are short too.....just exacerbates

the situation in civvies street..

[TimTooWindy]

" To get a measure of availability in the UK maybe look at the new pilot workforce just taken on by GAMA in Scotland ".

Could you please explain thanks.

There are many very experienced VFR pilots waiting patiently for the day sponsored IR's and type ratings are handed out......or is that wishful thinking?.

[Yonez]

“Could you please explain thanks.”


Most are foreign

[TimTooWindy]

“Could you please explain thanks.”


Most are foreign

Ok understood. But with the UK's independence, will this not stop the neverending plague of IR qualified Gunta's and Jurgen's and force future sponsorship opportunities?.

[helicrazi]

Not a hope in hell, as there is ALWAYS someone willing to pay for their own IR and/or type rating


>There are many very experienced VFR pilots waiting patiently for the day sponsored IR's and type ratings are handed out......or is that wishful thinking?.

Isn't that exactly what NPAS are currently offering?

[FloaterNorthWest]

Most are foreign

Out of the 10 pilots at GAMA, only 4 are foreign and 2 have been on the North Sea for some time.

[212man]

Ok understood. But with the UK's independence, will this not stop the neverending plague of IR qualified Gunta's and Jurgen's and force future sponsorship opportunities?.
"Plague"? Nice choice of words!

[finalchecksplease]

Ok understood. But with the UK's independence, will this not stop the neverending plague of IR qualified Gunta's and Jurgen's and force future sponsorship opportunities?.

Be sure you put that on you application form, will save the company having to put you through diversity training. :ugh:

[berlioz]

There's plenty of pilots around with 1,000 hours and an IR. But employers want NVG, 500 hours PIC multi, HEMS experience, certain type ratings etc

I think this is very real......There are many pilots out there looking for a job or a better job. The problem is that operators nowadays don´t invest in pilots.....either with IR or with a type rating. And with that they prefer to increase or fake duty times to full fill contracts. And off course...if you have the money to by a Type rating...then you´re free to go and work for an operator and move to another that offers better conditions. There will be no bond or even no sense of "gratitude" to the employer. And pilots will move around being mercenaries looking for the best paying job.

Ps: Saying foreign pilots are a plague.......:ugh:....not good

[rogue leader]

All very interesting, but a respectful request to maybe create a separate thread for T&Cs across the sectors and keep this one clear and concise for those looking for opportunities?

Thanks,

RL

(Posted before this particular tangent was moved from the "Rotary Jobs 2020" thread)

[helicrazi]

NPAS are supposed to be getting all their pilots an IR, but who knows if that will ever happen.

90% of NPAS pilots are ex-mil, it's actually very difficult to get hired by them if you are not from a military or SAR background
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From their recent recruits, I would disagree with your ex mil / Sar statement

babcock onshore has taken on a number of new co-pilots with no previous experience or TR and from what I hear, a very respectable co-pilot salary

[rogue leader]

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From their recent recruits, I would disagree with your ex mil / Sar statement

babcock onshore has taken on a number of new co-pilots with no previous experience or TR and from what I hear, a very respectable co-pilot salary


Hargreaves was referring to NPAS not Babcock?

Another post that offers little to someone looking for Rotary Jobs in 2020 - I ask respectfully again can we try and keep this thread clear and concise for those looking for opportunities?

Thanks,

RL

(Posted before this particular tangent was moved from the "Rotary Jobs 2020" thread)

[Bravo73]

All very interesting, but a respectful request to maybe create a separate thread for T&Cs across the sectors and keep this one clear and concise for those looking for opportunities?


With aircraft grounded around the world, commercial air transport effectively grinding to a halt and no possibilities of interviews due to various lockdowns, how many opportunities are you expecting to be posted on this thread??!?

[helicrazi]

Hargreaves was referring to NPAS not Babcock?

Another post that offers little to someone looking for Rotary Jobs in 2020 - I ask respectfully again can we try and keep this thread clear and concise for those looking for opportunities?

Thanks,

RL

And my post referred to NPAS, then added further info. hes been dripping about the industry in general, keep up.

If hes not getting hired maybe it's not his cv and qualifications

[rogue leader]

And my post referred to NPAS, then added further info. hes been dripping about the industry in general, keep up.

If hes not getting hired maybe it's not his cv and qualifications


I'm clearly mistaken about the purpose of this thread so I'll remove my posts in an hour given I'm now cluttering it also. Enjoy 👍

(Posted before this particular tangent was moved from the "Rotary Jobs 2020" thread)

[DOUBLE BOGEY]

Handbags at dawn....again!

Rogue Leader - its a "Rumour" network!!! Not a recruitment website. Calm down and just enjoy the posts you like, pick on the ones that you don't, slag people off where appropriate (and can get away without being sent by Prune Towers to the sin-bin) and try not to take things too seriously. After all there's a nasty bug going around!
To thread creep a bit more, our EMS outfit has just been issued with a Giant Condom with a pump on it. We apparently have to put the people with the nasty bug inisde. However, I am going to climb in it armed with a years worth of Compo and my stockpile of toilet rolls and stay there until next year.

[rogue leader]

It's also for "Professional" Pilots, and I don't think it's much to ask that a thread on Rotary Jobs in 2020 focuses on what's available rather than descending into personal bickering, with some even verging on racism IMHO.

RL