New Zealand place harsh restrictions on travel

[Chris2303]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12316692 (https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/411738/live-everyone-travelling-to-nz-from-overseas-to-self-isolate)

"KEY POINTS• Effective from midnight Sunday, all travellers, except for those coming from the Pacific islands, will have to self-isolate for 14 days on their arrival to New Zealand
• The PM says the rules are the toughest in the world
• She told New Zealanders not to travel overseas if they don't have to and issued stark advice: no hugs, hongi or handshakes
• All cruise ships have been asked to not come to NZ until June 30
• There will also be further announcements on mass gatherings

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has announced all travellers will have to self-isolate on their arrival to New Zealand, apart from those coming from the Pacific Islands.

She said the measures - in effect as of midnight Sunday - include New Zealanders.

The restrictions will be reviewed in 16 days and there will be more advice for self-isolation next week. There were already clear guidelines for employers on sick pay and working-from-home advice."

[markontop]

What’s a hongi?

[Chris2303]

What’s a hongi?

It's a Maori custom of touching of the noses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongi

[TopBunk]

hongi
/ˈhɒŋi/

noun
NZ
noun: hongi; plural noun: hongis

a traditional Maori greeting in which people press their noses together.

Took all of 2 seconds to find out!

[neville_nobody]

What are they trying to do? Bankrupt Air NZ for the second time in 20 years?

[markontop]

I think Air NZ are pretty adept at doing that to themselves.

[Ollie Onion]

No, it will bankrupt Jetstar NZ and Virgin NZ and Air NZ will get a government bailout as the government is a majority shareholder.

[neville_nobody]

No, it will bankrupt Jetstar NZ and Virgin NZ and Air NZ will get a government bailout as the government is a majority shareholder.

Ah yes I didn't realise they were still government owned. In that case you are correct. Probably a good tactical move in a time of crisis.

[Paragraph377]

How the hell can anyone with a family self isolate? My question isn’t pitched at NZ.

Are there any penalties for not self isolating if one isn’t showing any symptoms? Obviously not in Australia with the PM not self isolating whilst another minister has been diagnosed.
I think it is great that politicians are catching it. These are the people in society who constantly put themselves above everybody else, are paid and receive perks that no other worker receives, live in their Government bubble and have no idea what is happening in the real world. Wait until the worlds finances collapse and there is a lawless society who are desperate for food and medicine - they won’t be safe from that either!

[topend3]

Wait until the worlds finances collapse and there is a lawless society who are desperate for food and medicine - they won’t be safe from that either!

whens that next week ?

[On eyre]

Interesting - does that mean airlines flying into NZ will quickly run out of crew if arrivals have to self quarantine for 14 days or do crew stay on the aircraft for the return flights ?😳😳

[dctPub]

Interesting - does that mean airlines flying into NZ will quickly run out of crew if arrivals have to self quarantine for 14 days or do crew stay on the aircraft for the return flights ?😳😳

Crew aren't subject to those measures.

[Angle of Attack]

By looking at the results in Wuhan where the first wave seems to have well and truly peaked, I would imagine time wise these restrictions will probably last 6-8 weeks, but if the curve is indeed flattened and the infection rate doesn’t explode like China and Italy, this could go on for 4-6 months, Airline industry concerned prepare for a bloodbath...

[On eyre]

Crew aren't subject to those measures.

So crew who potentially are asymptomatic carriers defeat the purpose of the fourteen day quarantine period during layovers.

[empacher48]

Crew aren't subject to those measures.

Source?

words because stuff

[Paragraph377]

whens that next week ?
Ha. Not likely to be next week. But only a fool in cloud cuckoo land can’t see the writing on the wall. If you believe that printing money for the past 20 years and having a debt that cannot be contained and will only end in default is good fiscal management, then there is no hope for you. There is a reset coming. Just a matter of when not if.

[SRFred]

When is the NZ election due?

[ozziekiwi]

When is the NZ election due?

September 19th but I think Rindercella and her sugly isters will be a gonna !!

[73qanda]

#19 (showpost.php?p=10713390&postcount=19) (permalink (showthread.php?p=10713390))
Crew aren't subject to those measures.
Source?
I’d like the source as well. I’ve been scouting around but can’t find it. Cheers

[Ollie Onion]

I have seen no such exclusion. Most pundits are putting money on near total cancellation of international flights into and out of NZ with the exception of some charter flights to move people who get stuck. Also rumours of the government putting a substantial capital injection into Air NZ which is nice for them but not great for all other airlines. Jetconnect and Virgin NZ will effectively be grounded with massive capacity cuts to Air NZ and Jetstar. Buckle in it’s going to be a wild ride.

[Wombats320]

VA to substantially reduce all NZ flying effective 22nd of March due to NZ isolation rules

[dragon man]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Check that out every morning, Europe is exploding, and remember that the number of new cases is based on the number tested, in most countries that is not a large number.


Broken Link???

If you were quoting statistics perhaps this is relevant?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/stocks-collapse-coronavirus-global-pandemic-live-200312235606108.html
The pandemic's global death toll has reached almost 5,000, while the global number of cases has surpassed 132,000, according to the WHO, which is the health agency of the United Nations. About 68,000 victims have recovered, according to Johns Hopkins University, which is tracking the virus.

Tail Wheel

[TBM-Legend]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12316692 (https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/411738/live-everyone-travelling-to-nz-from-overseas-to-self-isolate)

"KEY POINTS• Effective from midnight Sunday, all travellers, except for those coming from the Pacific islands, will have to self-isolate for 14 days on their arrival to New Zealand
• The PM says the rules are the toughest in the world
• She told New Zealanders not to travel overseas if they don't have to and issued stark advice: no hugs, hongi or handshakes
• All cruise ships have been asked to not come to NZ until June 30
• There will also be further announcements on mass gatherings

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has announced all travellers will have to self-isolate on their arrival to New Zealand, apart from those coming from the Pacific Islands.

She said the measures - in effect as of midnight Sunday - include New Zealanders.

The restrictions will be reviewed in 16 days and there will be more advice for self-isolation next week. There were already clear guidelines for employers on sick pay and working-from-home advice."


Not harsh at all, but sensible...

[topend3]

The only real winners out of this are the NZ warriors league team and their fans who may be spared more deplorable performances like today’s **** dished up in Newcastle

[coaldemon]

There won't be an NRL competition by next week if the USA experience is anything to go by. Air NZ to be hurt the most but VA and QF will feel some pain.

[ericsson16]

I am trying to workout all these travel bans.So over 110 countries have the virus and they think by stopping people entering their country it will have some kind of magic effect in stopping the spread of this virus that's already running rampant in their country! This is going to run it's course,nothing can be done,End off.BTW It started in China and it will end their .

[462]

Official document explaining NZ self isolation (dated 12 March 2020 and likely to be amended to include all visitors/returning people very shortly):

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-novel-coronavirus-health-advice-general-public/covid-19-novel-coronavirus-self-isolation

”Self-isolation means staying away from situations where you could infect other people. This means any situation where you may come in close contact with others (face to face contact closer than 1 metre for more than 15 minutes), such as social gatherings, work, school, child care/pre-school centres, university, polytechnic and other education providers, faith-based gatherings, aged care and health care facilities, prisons, sports gatherings, restaurants and all public gatherings.

If you are a visitor to New Zealand, this means you should avoid sitting in a restaurant, or participating in any type of tour group.”

[wheels_down]

QF have about 20 Aircraft that rotate through NZ between JQ/QF. 75% of that is Kiwi based crews, the rest is Australian based crews, mainly A330.

Virgin has half dozen.

The concern for Alan is if they do the same here, its going to become very expensive.

Virgin is 80% domestic 737. Lucky they are about to start heavy checks in the Triple fleet also with pre arranged reductions for the next 6 months pre planned 2 years ago.

[swh]

Source?

words because stuff

IATA has all the country requirements on their website for enzed

”Passengers who have transited through or have been in China or Iran in the past 14 days, will not be allowed to transit or enter New Zealand. This does not apply to nationals of Australia and New Zealand and their immediate family members or to passengers who reside in New Zealand.
Passengers who have been in Italy (Emilia-Romangna, Lombardy and Veneto regions) or Korea (Rep.) in the past 14 days are required to self-isolate for a period of 14 days. They must fill-in a health registration form on arrival. This does not apply to airline crew if they use appropriate personal protective equipment (PPE). /For nationals or permanent residents of Australia and New Zealand and their immediate family members, who have transited through or have been in China or Iran in the past 14 days, carrier must contact immigration border operations before boarding the passenger.”

https://www.iata.org/contentassets/ac6af088199f47d1b3618b08d5058e0b/new-zealand-ncov-measures.pdf

[neville_nobody]

rumours of the government putting a substantial capital injection into Air NZ which is nice for them but not great for all other airlines. Jetconnect and Virgin NZ will effectively be grounded with massive capacity cuts to Air NZ and Jetstar. Buckle in it’s going to be a wild ride.

Air NZs international rights should be rescinded if that was to occur and the Trans Tasman agreement binned. You can't operate so called free/open markets when one country is basically a socialist state.

[topend3]

I am trying to workout all these travel bans.So over 110 countries have the virus and they think by stopping people entering their country it will have some kind of magic effect in stopping the spread of this virus that's already running rampant in their country! This is going to run it's course,nothing can be done,End off.BTW It started in China and it will end their .

its proven that if you limit arrivals you flatten the curve and slow the onset of the disease in the community. Italy’s explosion of cases is partly due to slow reaction to implementing harsh measures. All cases in NZ are overseas arrivals.

[ElZilcho]

I see the usual dead horse is getting another beating over Air NZ and Government bailouts :D We've got cash in the Bank, as should most Airlines who plan ahead... that's not to say there wont be layoffs and LWOP, but give it a rest. There has been zero talk of a Government bailout... or if there has I highly doubt anyone posting on PPrune would have any knowledge of it.

[medod]

its proven that if you limit arrivals you flatten the curve and slow the onset of the disease in the community. Italy’s explosion of cases is partly due to slow reaction to implementing harsh measures. All cases in NZ are overseas arrivals.

I think there's a term for this but I can't remember what it is: what you are describing is the exact inverse of reality. It has actually been proven that limiting arrivals has no or even a negative effect. Italy was the first country in Europe to ban flights from China and as a result passengers switched to other Europe and Middle Eastern hubs. As no-one knew these people were originating from China they were not told to self-isolate so they did not. When they became sick they went to ER rooms and infected many other people. The mathematics of an epidemic then did the rest.

[Dannyboy39]

Harsh headline, but is this any different from about 30 different countries right now?

[HAMFAN73]

Better perhaps to just let infections happen as quickly as possible. NZ currently has 6 confirmed cases. 6. And we shut down the country. China is already opening stores and factories again.

Perhaps worth noting that Italy went from 4 cases to 17,660 cases in only 23 days (up to yesterday). Deaths are 1,200 in same period. Common sense suggests there is a tipping point from which health services are overwhelmed. This should be avoided at all costs and by all means.

[Radgirl]

Better perhaps to just let infections happen as quickly as possible. NZ currently has 6 confirmed cases. 6. And we shut down the country. China is already opening stores and factories again.

Possibly the most silly post on a less than sensible thread. You are talking about killing possibly 3% of the population, and potentially a majority of the immunosuppressed, together with 0.7% of younger key workers such as CEOs, trainers, innovators etc which may in turn destroy whole companies and masses of jobs. This is not the same as flu.

NZ is trying to isolate itself from the rest of the world and if done early enough this might have worked. I hope it does even now but politicians have not done well to date and I fear it is too late. NZ will then need to introduce social distancing to reduce spread so their health system can sort of cope. Correction, they should have already done it. There will still be deaths but the expectation is that the attack rate (the number of infected people) will at the end be reduced to say 30% and this in turn will avoid a second or third wave as we saw in 1919.

All this is based on incomplete understanding of the virus; it is still early days in China and Singapore, we have no knowledge of mutation beyond the already identified S strain, and vaccines are not a given.

Time will tell, but the world economy will tank and unnecessary lives lost. Not a laughing matter.

[givemewings]

Better perhaps to just let infections happen as quickly as possible

The point of social distancing isn't to stop infection, it's to reduce the peak and spread it out over a longer period so the medical system has a chance to cope.

italy is so bad because not only are they dealing with sick, but their medical frontline workers are getting sick too.

it's not the illness killing people, it's a lack of resources. 20% of infected in general will have a severe case. One problem is the constant reference to 'mild' cases. One Italian doctor clarified that 'mild' means anything short of supplemental oxy required. 'Severe' cases require assisted oxygen and critical need breathing support. Problem is, there's not enough machines/beds to go round and Italy are now having to triage patients according to who has the best chance of a quicker recovery so more people can be helped. They are literally having to choose who has a chance to live.

Distancing is to stop us/NZ getting to that point.

Unfortunately I fear we needed to start this two weeks ago. Every day makes a difference, so if it needs to start Monday, it should have been done on Friday.

[sheepless]

Norway to close all Airports to non nationals. Makes NZ restrictions look quite soft.

[Chris2303]

September 19th but I think Rindercella and her sugly isters will be a gonna !!

This alone will guarantee her reelection

[Chris2303]

I’d like the source as well. I’ve been scouting around but can’t find it. Cheers

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2003/S00108/major-steps-taken-to-protect-new-zealanders-from-covid-19.htm

"I want to be very clear - these measures are about people, not products. They do not apply to cargo ships or cargo planes or to marine or air crew, and we will be working to ensure we keep sea and air freight routes open for imports and exports."

[Oakape]

Originally Posted by 73qanda View Post (https://www.pprune.org/australia-new-zealand-pacific/showthread.php?p=10713427#post10713427)
I’d like the source as well. I’ve been scouting around but can’t find it. Cheers
#19 (http://showpost.php/?p=10713390&postcount=19) (permalink (http://showthread.php/?p=10713390))
Crew aren't subject to those measures.
Source?
I’d like the source as well. I’ve been scouting around but can’t find it. Cheers

Its in the article linked to in the 1st post.

[Inverted Flat Spin]

Air NZs international rights should be rescinded if that was to occur and the Trans Tasman agreement binned. You can't operate so called free/open markets when one country is basically a socialist state.

Like how the Australian govt blocked airnz from flying domestically over there? While Aussie airlines have a free rein in NZ...

[Chris2303]

Like how the Australian govt blocked airnz from flying domestically over there? While Aussie airlines have a free rein in NZ...

Our (NZ) Government just rolled over and let it happen, just like the deportee issue.

[462]

Please don’t let this important thread turn into a political one. 😟

[mangatete]

Ok doesn’t apply to crew, but what about crew that go out of New Zealand have lay over day or days then operates back to nz? Been mingling in overseas countries then operate back and no self isolation required?

[empacher48]

I was initially a bit concerned about the idea of this, until I read today an Australian who travelled from France to Townsville last week. He was tested for COVID-19 while in Australia.

He then thought it would be a good idea to fly to NZ while still waiting for his results. While having breakfast this morning, confirmation of a positive result came through and is now isolated to a hotel room.

If people are that thick, that they think they should travel while waiting for test results, then keep them out.

(mind you, he was Australian)

Dumb Aussie thought it was ok to travel while waiting for test results (http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120290336/coronavirus-tourist-learnt-he-tested-positive-while-eating-at-wellington-cafe)

[Ascend Charlie]

Jacinda only did it to stop the kiwis convicted of criminal activity being deported back to NZ.

[ozziekiwi]

The only real winners out of this are the NZ warriors league team and their fans who may be spared more deplorable performances like today’s **** dished up in Newcastle
I agree, they're woeful at best however they're basing themselves on the Gold Coast as of today so they get to stay in the lucky country and continue playing until the curtain comes down on the whole 2020 NRL season, which won't be far away!!

[wheels_down]

Expected Further border measures to be announced 1415pm local time Canberra

[BewareOfTheSharklets]

Good decision, but it's going to be painful for a lot of people. What I don't understand is why the implementation was delayed two days, rather than being instantaneous. Surely that's the logical way to deal with the situation?


Air NZs international rights should be rescinded if that was to occur and the Trans Tasman agreement binned. You can't operate so called free/open markets when one country is basically a socialist state.

Right because this whole situation is going to be really great for Air New Zealand....:confused:
I am trying to workout all these travel bans.So over 110 countries have the virus and they think by stopping people entering their country it will have some kind of magic effect in stopping the spread of this virus that's already running rampant in their country! This is going to run it's course,nothing can be done,End off.BTW It started in China and it will end their .

​​​​​​​It slows down the rate that the virus spreads and that helps to stop hospitals overflowing.

[Chris2303]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12316759

"Airline crew are exempt from the 14-day self-isolation rule but are required to be isolated to their accommodation while waiting to operate their return flights out of the country."

[Chris2303]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120300127/air-new-zealand-cuts-longhaul-capacity-by-85-per-cent

In part below

"As a result of the downturn in travel Air New Zealand continues to review its cost base and will need to start the process of redundancies for permanent positions acknowledging the important role partnering with unions has in this process.
"We are now accepting that for the coming months at least Air New Zealand will be a smaller airline requiring fewer resources, including people. We have deployed a range of measures, such as leave without pay and asking those with excess leave to take it, but these only go so far. We are working on redeployment opportunities for some of our staff within the airline and also to support other organisations".

Foran said the airline was working with the heads of the four main unions representing more than 8000 of its workforce to ensure the right outcome for all staff.

"I would like to thank the leadership teams at E tu, AMEA, NZALPA and Federation of Air New Zealand Pilots for the way in which they are engaging with the airline and positively representing the interests of their members. These are unprecedented times that we are all having to navigate. And it is clear that if we don't take all the appropriate measures to lower costs and to drive revenue, our airline won't be in the best position to accelerate forward once we are through the worst of the impact of Covid-19.""

[palauisland]

Air New Zealand announces 30% of all staff across the board to be laid off as a first step. One can only hope that in time things will get back to something like normal and the people affected re-employed.

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

And Warbirds Over Wanaka, due to be held during Easter weekend, got cancelled yesterday.

[cnsnz]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120334332/coronavirus-air-new-zealand-suspends-13-australian-routes-cuts-transtasman-capacity-by-80-per-cent

[Nervous SLF]

New Zealand now at alert level 3 until Wednesday when it goes up to level 4.

Alert level 3 - restrict
There's a heightened risk the disease is not contained

RISK ASSESSMENT:

Community transmission occurring or
Multiple clusters break out


RANGE OF MEASURES:

Travel in areas with clusters or community transmission limited
Affected educational facilities closed
Mass gatherings cancelled
Public venues closed (ie: libraries, museums, cinemas, food courts, gyms, pools, amusement parks)
Alternative ways of working required and some non-essential businesses should close
Non face-to-face primary care consultations
Non acute (elective) services and procedures in hospitals deferred and healthcare staff re-prioritised

Alert level 4 - eliminate
It's likely that the disease is not contained

RISK ASSESSMENT:

Sustained and intensive transmission
Widespread outbreaks


RANGE OF MEASURES:

People instructed to stay at home
Educational facilities closed
Businesses closed except for essential services (ie: supermarkets, pharmacies, clinics and lifeline utilities)
Rationing of supplies and requisitioning of facilities
Travel severely limited
Major reprioritisation of health services

[Asturias56]

Just look at Europe to see what is coming - Australia/new Zealand is running about 2 weeks behind Germany/UK/France

But today's stats are starting to suggest that Germany & maybe the UK have reached a peak of infections. China, S Korea, Singapore and now maybe Iran look post peak