There Goes Transatlantic Air Travel.

[Sunfish]

President Trump just announced restrictions on travel to the U.S from Europe. Live broadcast.

[MichaelKPIT]

With the exception of the UK

[etudiant]

Does that mean Europeans are ok if they leave from the UK or is it passport driven?

[MichaelKPIT]

My daughter is in PRG right now, booked to come back PRG-BA-LHR-BA-JFK. Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out...

[Longtimer]

Trump to suspend all travel from Europe to U.S. for 30 days amid coronavirus pandemichttps://www.cbc.ca/news/world/coronavirus-europe-travel-ban-1.5494748

[Ollie Onion]

How does this work? Allowing travel from the UK surely nullifies the whole 30 day ban as Europeans can move into the UK without getting passports stamped and are then free to go to the USA from there? What confuses me is that the USA seems to be a hotspot of uncontrolled spread, the most recent cases in Australia are ALL people who traveled from the USA so WHY no travel ban on travel from the USA.

[atakacs]

Does that mean Europeans are ok if they leave from the UK or is it passport driven?
My thoughts exactly...
Sounds like a massive loophole!

[MichaelKPIT]

It has to be a huge loophole. They’re also saying that US citizens and permanent residents are going to be allowed to return home. Thing is though that cargo is subject to the same restrictions so non UK airlines, and US airlines in routes other than UK, are going to want to suspend flights - how are these people going to return? CNN were just saying maybe there’ll be evac flights like China did, with the people going into immediate 14 day quarantine - my thinking is that’s what they’re saying without actually saying it yet.

[Wizofoz]

From "It's Democrat Fake News" to lockdown in one easy step...

[marchino61]

The ban only applies to the Schengen area. A proclamation to that effect has been issued:
https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-proclamation-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-1842280740

[marchino61]

I would imagine that the UK will now have to stamp the passports of visitors from Schengen countries. Otherwise they will have no way to prove to the US authorities that they left Schengen at least 14 days prior.

And it does not apply to cargo.

[Longtimer]

It has to be a huge loophole. They’re also saying that US citizens and permanent residents are going to be allowed to return home. Thing is though that cargo is subject to the same restrictions so non UK airlines, and US airlines in routes other than UK, are going to want to suspend flights - how are these people going to return? CNN were just saying maybe there’ll be evac flights like China did, with the people going into immediate 14 day quarantine - my thinking is that’s what they’re saying without actually saying it yet.
Fly into Canada and then sneak across the border. Southbound should work as well as Northbound has worked for the past few Liberal years. :ugh:

[MichaelKPIT]

And it does not apply to cargo.
I stand corrected. It was the news presenters interpreting it incorrectly and me repeating it. Trump has since clarified on Twitter (where else?!) that it affects people, not goods.

[flynerd]

This is being further clarified now. Trump should have said the ban is for non US citizens and residents and immediate families.

[no_one]

Does that mean Europeans are ok if they leave from the UK or is it passport driven?


By my understanding it is not based on nationality but where you have been in the past 14 days. For example If you are Canadian but have been in France earlier this week you can not enter. If you are French but have been traveling through New Zealand for the past month you can enter.

Mr. Trump imposed a 30-day ban on foreigners who have been in the 26 countries that make up the European Union’s Schengen Area in the previous two weeks.

[Longtimer]

By my understanding it is not based on nationality but where you have been in the past 14 days. For example If you are Canadian but have been in France earlier this week you can not enter. If you are french buy have been traveling through new Zealand for the past month you can enter.
Well since there currently there is no wall between the US and Canada, I guess folks from all countries, will be able to fly into Canada and then cross into the US by Rail , Road and walking. Perhaps a little like how the refugees have been entering Canada for the past few years fleeing from the US.

[Seat4A]

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting-secretary-chad-f-wolf-s-statement-presidential-proclamation

Homeland Security Acting Secretary Chad F. Wolf’s Statement on Presidential Proclamation To Protect the Homeland from Travel-Related Coronavirus Spread

Release Date: March 11, 2020

(WASHINGTON) Today President Donald J. Trump signed a Presidential Proclamation, which suspends the entry of most foreign nationals who have been in certain European countries at any point during the 14 days prior to their scheduled arrival to the United States. These countries, known as the Schengen Area, include: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. This does not apply to legal permanent residents, (generally) immediate family members of U.S. citizens, and other individuals who are identified in the proclamation.

Statement from DHS Acting Secretary Chad F. Wolf:

“Protecting the American people from threats to their safety is the most important job of the President of the United States. The actions President Trump is taking to deny entry to foreign nationals who have been in affected areas will keep Americans safe and save American lives. I applaud the president for making this tough but necessary decision. While these new travel restrictions will be disruptive to some travelers, this decisive action is needed to protect the American public from further exposure to the potentially deadly coronavirus.

“In January and February, the Administration issued similar travel restrictions on individuals who had been in China and Iran. That action proved to be effective in slowing the spread of the virus to the U.S., while public health officials prepared. In the next 48 hours, in the interest of public health, I intend to issue a supplemental Notice of Arrivals Restriction requiring U.S. passengers that have been in the Schengen Area to travel through select airports where the U.S. Government has implemented enhanced screening procedures.”

[Cyclic Hotline]

Well since there currently there is no wall between the US and Canada, I guess folks from all countries, will be able to fly into Canada and then cross into the US by Rail , Road and walking. Perhaps a little like how the refugees have been entering Canada for the past few years fleeing from the US.
I would surmise that you probably haven't spent a lot of time around the US side of the border?

[marchino61]

Well since there currently there is no wall between the US and Canada, I guess folks from all countries, will be able to fly into Canada and then cross into the US by Rail , Road and walking. Perhaps a little like how the refugees have been entering Canada for the past few years fleeing from the US.

If it is anything like Australia, Schengen nationals coming from third countries will be quizzed in detail about where they have been, and when, if they enter from Canada (or the UK, say). I have a Chinese colleague who went to the UAE for 14 days to avoid Australia's ban on entry. They did not just look at her passport stamp, they also wanted to see receipts and photos showing how long she had been in the UAE.

[DieselOx]

This is a supremely stupid action. The virus is already here.

Whatever, they'll figure that out in a couple weeks.

Anyone questioning why they did this? Sheer incompetence, nothing else.

[Old Dogs]

Fly into Canada and then sneak across the border. Southbound should work as well as Northbound has worked for the past few Liberal years. :ugh:

You think America would allow Europeans across the Canada/USA border without passports? 🤔

[procede]

I'm guessing planes, if flying, where mostly empty anyway. At least now it seems he is in control...

[hunterboy]

Sounds like this is the start of countries putting up walls and closing borders. Once the numbers explode in the U.K, I assume the ban will be extended to there too. Maybe the US and the U.K. need a tenth man? 😉

[Ollie Onion]

He is a laughable goon, saying ‘look at how in control we are not like those reckless European’s’. Does the US President not realise that the virus is already out of control and spreading in the USA and the only reason the numbers are low is because the US either doesn’t want too or can’t test en-masse. The US will be Italy on steroids in 10-14 days, what will the Don’s excuse be then. South Korea is testing 20,000 people per day and have a mortality rate of approx. 0.5%, the USA has tested around 2500 TOTAL and has a mortality rate of approx 4-5% which either means your treatments are inferior or the number of cases is woefully under reported. I know which one my money is on, on the plus side Donald got to have a 10 minute pat on the back session live on TV. Oh how the world currently needs a strong leader but all we have are chumps.

[Max Tow]

So the UK becomes the U.S. offshore quarantine/incubation area? Passengers from high-infection rate Schengen countries wishing to travel to the U.S. are effectively being re-directed into the UK for 14 days (or less if they're not honest to the U.S. authorities about point of origin), during which they may or may not be Coronavirus carriers.
If the latter, then no problem for the U.S. which just bans U.K. flight origin as well after our rate rises. Brilliant!

[RexBanner]

If you seriously believe the UK will still be on an exemption list this time next week then I want some of what you’re smoking..

[golfyankeesierra]

Glad Donald, while busy with his crisis management, still had some time to get cosy with buddy Boris..
Never let a good crisis go to waste.

[Eutychus]

How does this work for pilots of any provenance, please? Does the ban not apply if they stay airside?

[ReturningVector]

It is for the same reason Italy went in lockdown when the virus was already wreaking havoc: To spread the number of sick people over a longer time.

That way you will have a less intense ‘peak’ that puts a burden on the medical infrastructure.

It is not so stupid as you might think, it is the way to go according to experts. You will not stop the virus, most people will get sick, but spreading it over a longer time helps in relieving the pressure on your hospitals and clinics somewhat.

This is a supremely stupid action. The virus is already here.

Whatever, they'll figure that out in a couple weeks.

Anyone questioning why they did this? Sheer incompetence, nothing else.

[DaveReidUK]

How does this work for pilots of any provenance, please? Does the ban not apply if they stay airside?

Aircrew, assuming they have a C-1, D, or C-1/D nonimmigrant visa, are exempt.

[RexBanner]

This is starting to get properly worrying, how is this going to end? There’s not an airline in the world that will survive this (without government support anyway) if this goes on for longer than a couple of months. When the problem abates how are we going to rebuild if there’s no airlines left?

[deltahotel]

The ban is for anyone who has been in Schengen within 14 days of travel. Doesn’t apply to cargo, though presumably does to cargo pilots.

[SaulGoodman]

It is for the same reason Italy went in lockdown when the virus was already wreaking havoc: To spread the number of sick people over a longer time.

That way you will have a less intense ‘peak’ that puts a burden on the medical infrastructure.

It is not so stupid as you might think, it is the way to go according to experts. You will not stop the virus, most people will get sick, but spreading it over a longer time helps in relieving the pressure on your hospitals and clinics somewhat.

You are right, absolutely. But to blame it on Europeans is poor taste and purely political. He even uses this “foreign” virus as an argument to build the wall.

[SaulGoodman]

The ban is for anyone who has been in Schengen within 14 days of travel. Doesn’t apply to cargo, though presumably does to cargo pilots.

drones!

if it does than Europe should immediately close their airspace for US cargo carriers in response. Good chance that those pilots have been in corona infected countries in the last 14 days as well.

[Alsacienne]

The ban is for anyone who has been in Schengen within 14 days of travel.

So the country from which travellers to the US would have departed from bears the brunt of extra bodies all waiting for the exclusion period to end ... and could risk to 'funnelling' many more folk into the UK. The 'host' country would certainly find financial and health care resources stretched far beyond national projections ....

[Yorkshire_Pudding]

Although UK is exempt for now, this ruling will surely create many more empty seats for BA with all of their states bound connecting traffic from Europe now gone. Most premium corporate traffic was already gone.

[threep]

It is for the same reason Italy went in lockdown when the virus was already wreaking havoc: To spread the number of sick people over a longer time.

That way you will have a less intense ‘peak’ that puts a burden on the medical infrastructure.

It is not so stupid as you might think, it is the way to go according to experts. You will not stop the virus, most people will get sick, but spreading it over a longer time helps in relieving the pressure on your hospitals and clinics somewhat.

The US has no national, integrated healthcare system. Under this administration they have cut the Complex Crisis Fund and the CDC funds to prevent global disease outbreaks by 80%. Very little testing for Covid-19 has been performed given the size and population of the country, they don't know what the scale of the infection is right now and factors such as the absence of health insurance (or the cost of getting tested for those that do) is just going to allow it to spread unchecked. Donald Trump believes he is a "stable genius" and that he alone can make decisions to protect US Citizens. Hmmm. The virus doesn't care about politics and DJT, it won't yield to presidential decrees.

To restrict international travel is not necessarily the wrong thing to do. Whether this is right measure at the right time is a question for the experts. To blame the virus on the EU, and then omit the UK from the travel restrictions when we are probably no more than 3 or 4 days behind France, Germany, Spain in terms of this outbreak is illogical and sounds very Trump. There must always be a scapegoat and today its the EU. I fear for the US in this pandemic, without a consistent, top-down, expert & evidence-led set of public health decisions, the US will have the greatest death rate in the developed world.

[ALTSEL]

So the trans Atlantic flight restrictions are to protect those in the USA . "Protecting the American people from threats to their safety is the most important job of the President of the United State" Trump says on Twitter.

ere really ?? - just like sorting out gun ownership and protecting the 15,292 people in 2019 that were fatally shot dead in the country ,what a joke!

[procede]

As a lot of widebodies will need to be parked, airport congestion is going to be a whole different problem.

[Doors to Automatic]

I have heard from a source at BA that some of their 380s are flying around with 300 empty seats on some UK-USA sectors. This has probably just increased that to 400!

[Denti]

I have heard from a source at BA that some of their 380s are flying around with 300 empty seats on some UK-USA sectors. This has probably just increased that to 400!
Who knows, they can still fly freely to the US, unlike the airlines from Schengen states. And since nobody tracks someone entering the UK with their ID card, something that is common and still possible from Europe, it allows an easy way to circumvent the US travel ban for europeans from the Schengen Area. Most probably do not realise that yet, but certainly a possibility.

[PiggyBack]

It is for the same reason Italy went in lockdown when the virus was already wreaking havoc: To spread the number of sick people over a longer time.

That way you will have a less intense ‘peak’ that puts a burden on the medical infrastructure.

It is not so stupid as you might think, it is the way to go according to experts. You will not stop the virus, most people will get sick, but spreading it over a longer time helps in relieving the pressure on your hospitals and clinics somewhat.

It would make sense if it was part of a consistent strategy of minimising travel generally both within the US and from all countries with a substantial infection rate outside the US. As it stands it makes no sense at all. The best indicator of what is really happening is to look at national deaths as they are less likely to be influenced by the prevelance and effectiveness of testing. The US has on this measure has one of the higher incidences already and most but not all european countries have a lower incidence. It makes no sense at all to exclude the UK. This is all about politics and creating the appearance of action rather than public health.
Trump being Trump he use sthe opportunity to attack those he feels offended by at the same time.

[Swiss51]

How does this work for pilots of any provenance, please? Does the ban not apply if they stay airside?
Pilots will not be needed during this period. I am sure most if not all European airlines (BA except MAYBE) will shut down their US operation.

[KAISERSOZE]

I just checked on Air France and Lufthansa website, you can still book a flight during the ´ban’ period.
I have my reccurent booked in April in the USA...

[Maoraigh1]

RTE reports the ban also does not apply to the Irish Republic, which is in the EU and not UK.

[PorridgeStirrer]

Ireland is not in Schengen either so is exempt

[safetypee]

Presidential edict - 'close the stable door, but leave the window open for fresh air'.

'Nothing to fear but fear alone'; some administrations may manipulate fear, but to what purpose.
Better to provide a positive view; not a list of 'cases' and 'deaths' (fatality rate), state the number of recoveries. This value is 'cases' - 'deaths', a much higher value, but of little political or media value.

[Airbubba]

How does this work for pilots of any provenance, please? Does the ban not apply if they stay airside?

As DaveReidUK cited above there is an exemption for crewmembers:

Section 1. Suspension and Limitation on Entry.

The entry into the United States, as immigrants or nonimmigrants, of all aliens who were physically present within the Schengen Area during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States is hereby suspended and limited subject to section 2 of this proclamation.

Sec. 2. Scope of Suspension and Limitation on Entry.

(a) Section 1 of this proclamation shall not apply to:

(vii) any alien traveling as a nonimmigrant pursuant to a C-1, D, or C-1/D nonimmigrant visa as a crewmember or any alien otherwise traveling to the United States as air or sea crew;

The situation will probably invoke force majeure clauses in U.S. pilot contracts as it did after 9-11 in 2001 and SARS in 2003. Force Majeure is one of those aviation technical terms like 'writ of replevin' and 'unsecured creditor'.

[fruitbat]

Norwegian shares down 30% today...

[EatMyShorts!]

Re C-1/D Visa: do you just have to hold such a visa to be allowed in or do you actually have to operate a flight into the US to make use of the C-1/D. I got a B-1/B-2 alongside my C-1/D and just to cancel my flights as passenger through the US.

[golfyankeesierra]

Re C-1/D Visa: do you just have to hold such a visa to be allowed in or do you actually have to operate a flight into the US to make use of the C-1/D. I got a B-1/B-2 alongside my C-1/D and just to cancel my flights as passenger through the US.
I am pretty sure that if you pax in, you have to use your B1/B2, we get that next to our C1/D, specially for the purpose of positioning on other carriers .

The exemption apparently is only for C1/D, don’t think you are going to get in unnoticed😉

[Longtimer]

It's a mostly open border and as has been proven in the past 2 years (people fleeing the US) it is easy to sneak across.
but here is an article:Trump's Europe travel ban poses questions for Canada-U.S. borderJames McCartenThe Canadian PressPublished Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:39AM EDT https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/trump-s-europe-travel-ban-poses-questions-for-canada-u-s-border-1.4849675

[bunk exceeder]

Luckily, Trumpy doesn’t have golf courses in the Schengen area. Only the UK and Ireland. Boy, that was lucky.

[20driver]

It's a mostly open border and as has been proven in the past 2 years (people fleeing the US) it is easy to sneak across.
but here is an article:

Flying to Canada and then onto the States will not be a practial option for most people. It is not really that easy to sneak into the US over the Canadian border for the average person. If you show up at a border crossing with an passport from any of the countries involved you will almost certainly be questioned and likely refused entry.

[Longtimer]

Flying to Canada and then onto the States will not be a practial option for most people. It is not really that easy to sneak into the US over the Canadian border for the average person. If you show up at a border crossing with an passport from any of the countries involved you will almost certainly be questioned and likely refused entry.
A large number of "average" people did so in the past 2 years . https://irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/statistics/Pages/Irregular-border-crosser-statistics.aspx
https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Illegal-border-crossings-from-Canada-to-U-S-14095175.php

[BRE]

I would imagine that the UK will now have to stamp the passports of visitors from Schengen countries. Otherwise they will have no way to prove to the US authorities that they left Schengen at least 14 days prior.

And it does not apply to cargo.

Except that we can enter the UK with our ID cards which physically look just like driver's licences or credit cards. Hard to stamp.

[BRE]

To restrict international travel is not necessarily the wrong thing to do. Whether this is right measure at the right time is a question for the experts. To blame the virus on the EU, and then omit the UK from the travel restrictions when we are probably no more than 3 or 4 days behind France, Germany, Spain in terms of this outbreak is illogical and sounds very Trump. There must always be a scapegoat and today its the EU. I fear for the US in this pandemic, without a consistent, top-down, expert & evidence-led set of public health decisions, the US will have the greatest death rate in the developed world.

If you look at the fatalities, the UK is right with the pack. Confirmed infections don't give you the right idea since different countries have had vastly different testing capability and willingness to test everyone around known infected people.
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-09/experts-rapid-testing-helps-explain-few-german-virus-deaths

[MichaelKPIT]

Here is an update my daughter has just been sent in PRG. I was going to try to get her to swap out the LHR-JFK leg to LHR-PIT, but that won't be possible as they have to fly into certain airports. (I'm retyping this from a screenshot she sent me from her iPhone, bolding is mine.)

Following the announcement from President Trump concerning the 30-day suspension of travel from Europe to the U.S., the Department of Homeland Security released a clarifying statement regarding the exceptions to the ban indicating, "This does not apply to legal permanent residents, (generally) immediate family members of U.S. citizens, and other individuals who are identified in the proclamation." While the ban does exempt American citizens and permanent residents, the acting Secretary added, "In the next 48 hours, in the interest of public health, I intend to issue a supplemental Notice of Arrivals Restriction requiring U.S. passengers that have been in the Schengen Area to travel through select airports where the U.S. Government has implemented enhanced screening procedures."

[1+F]

Cyprus is not on the list and not in the Schengen area but in the EU.
Does this mean you can travel from Cyprus via connecting airport not on this list to the USA?

[Ian W]

It is for the same reason Italy went in lockdown when the virus was already wreaking havoc: To spread the number of sick people over a longer time.

That way you will have a less intense ‘peak’ that puts a burden on the medical infrastructure.

It is not so stupid as you might think, it is the way to go according to experts. You will not stop the virus, most people will get sick, but spreading it over a longer time helps in relieving the pressure on your hospitals and clinics somewhat.

This is explained via the link below

#FlattenTheCurve

The idea is that reducing the peak load on the health services they will not break down.

[BRE]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/opinion/americans-tested-for-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/06/coronavirus-testing-failure-123166

[DaveReidUK]

This is explained via the link below

#FlattenTheCurve (https://twitter.com/SiouxsieW/status/1237275231783284736?s=20)

The idea is that reducing the peak load on the health services they will not break down.

Hmmm.

Shame they had to devalue the message with the stupid comment that "it's just like a cold or flu".

[Una Due Tfc]

Ireland exempt....I expect that to change obviously, but if anything other countries should be banning US flights, there's been virtually no testing in the States, they have no idea where it is in reality, there'll be an explosion over there in the coming weeks, and given the appalling cost of healthcare and testing, there'll be thousands of people with it not reporting.

[PerPurumTonantes]

Except that we can enter the UK with our ID cards which physically look just like driver's licences or credit cards. Hard to stamp.
Good luck with Homeland Security.

"Italian passport Sir? Step this way Sir."

[Longtimer]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/434x265/update_8b6cc0c0925d0faca7e038a3b5ebbbf9555405e5.jpg

[pineridge]

Without a valid ESTA , visa, or Canadian passport you are not permitted to board an aircraft to the US.
So the Border agency have little or no problem in restricting travel from designated areas.
Could be I am oversimplifying but that is my understanding of the rules.
Canada has similar pre travel documentation requirements and if you intend to enter the US from a major Canadian airport
you have to pre clear US customs and immigration in Canada..

[kiwi grey]

As a lot of widebodies will need to be parked, airport congestion is going to be a whole different problem.

I'd guess a bunch of secondary airports with runways long enough for an empty widebody might be seeing some unexpected traffic as these airframes need to be parked somewhere. Lufthansa are already parking a couple of dozen aircraft at the yet-to-open Berlin Brandenberg

[KAISERSOZE]

According to your own map, number 9 on the hit parade - fewer than: Italy, France, Germany, Norway, Switzerland, Denmark, the Netherlands, & Sweden, and a third of the number known in the US...

True.
Number 15 in the world
Numer 9 in EU (27 contries)
I confirm, one of the most infected in the world and in Europe.

[Airbubba]

It’s meant to be a stupid comment he’s making: it’s an animated GIF illustrating the effects of different attitudes to the disease, but that doesn’t show up in the version as quoted.

Here are the two scenes in the animation.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/564x133/gif_1_7885df82e39345ddb51366228566bc6126252e1a.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/560x132/gif_2_cec7c75279c1602e9ffcde70f332878bc94b2bfc.jpg

[Una Due Tfc]

The virus is here. On the island already. Won’t make a jot of difference

And in two weeks Cheltenham attendees will fill your hospitals to bursting. Utter stupidity them going ahead with that.

[DaveReidUK]

And in two weeks Cheltenham attendees will fill your hospitals to bursting. Utter stupidity them going ahead with that.

Maybe. Maybe not.

We're told that transmission of the virus is related to your proximity to a carrier, so common sense would suggest that it's less likely in the open air than in confined spaces.

That's supported by the fact that countries such as Austria and France are banning smaller indoor gatherings than outdoor ones.

What would the Cheltenham attendees be doing, and where, if they weren't at the meeting ? Would they then be more or less at risk ?

[West Coast]

Funny coincidence, all the experts on US foreign policy just a few months ago are also also experts on pandemics and their spread this month.

[Pilot DAR]

Please present facts and information, please leave politics and slurs out...

Thanks, a moderator who would like less work...

[Pearly White]

This is a supremely stupid action. The virus is already here.

Whatever, they'll figure that out in a couple weeks.

Anyone questioning why they did this? Sheer incompetence, nothing else.
Blameshifting. The budgets for CDC have been given several massive cuts since 2016, that's why they don't even know how many people inside the USA are affected because they didn't have any test kits prepared until recently.
Read these articles and weep.

Washington Post article: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/02/01/cdc-to-cut-by-80-percent-efforts-to-prevent-global-disease-outbreak/)
Second WP article (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/05/22/trump-budget-seeks-huge-cuts-to-disease-prevention-and-medical-research-departments/)
Forbes article - still making cuts four weeks ago!!! (https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/02/11/trump-proposes-16-cut-to-cdc-as-global-number-of-coronavirus-infections-and-deaths-rise/#56c958a718da)

[Wannabe Flyer]

US is not the only country shutting down borders. It seems Kuwait has & India has also done a 30 day ban of all foreigners as well as permanent residents who were out of the country at that time.

[Una Due Tfc]

Maybe. Maybe not.

We're told that transmission of the virus is related to your proximity to a carrier, so common sense would suggest that it's less likely in the open air than in confined spaces.

That's supported by the fact that countries such as Austria and France are banning smaller indoor gatherings than outdoor ones.

What would the Cheltenham attendees be doing, and where, if they weren't at the meeting ? Would they then be more or less at risk ?

Trackside is one thing, in the tents, stands, restaurants, surrounding bars and towns is another. Think of all the money changing hands. Many affected countries have banned outdoor events of more than a few hundred. As you say, time will tell.

[lederhosen]

Austria has closed ski resorts from Sunday for the rest of the season and you cannot get much more outdoors than that. Having said that the first person I actually know, who tested positive and has had symptoms, picked it up last weekend on a ski trip with family friends, one of whom apparently got it on a business trip.

[DieselOx]

This is explained via the link below

#FlattenTheCurve (https://twitter.com/SiouxsieW/status/1237275231783284736?s=20)

The idea is that reducing the peak load on the health services they will not break down.

A travel ban would have helped, in late Jan or first week of Feb in the US, but now it actually makes things worse. The best science, studied for years by the WHO, concludes this:

" but the W.H.O. has repeatedly warned that international [travel] bans can block needed resources, or delay aid and technical support. Such restrictions are justified only at the beginning of an outbreak to buy nations time to prepare, the agency said (https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/updated-who-recommendations-for-international-traffic-in-relation-to-covid-19-outbreak). Beyond that, they are more likely to cause significant economic and social harm."

I stand by my statement that the ban is a supremely stupid action. We need to listen to the actual experts if we want a half a chance. We are way past the point where containment mode will do anything. All we can do now is mitigate, but the US is still trying to contain. Idiotic.

[etudiant]

Lufthansa will seek government assistance, according to the Handelsblatt, the German business paper.
https://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/handel-konsumgueter/airline-lufthansa-will-staatshilfen-wegen-coronakrise-beantragen/25642214.html

They are probably just trying to be first in line, it will be a very long list of applicants.

[Denti]

Lufty talked very openly about applying for short work (Kurzarbeit) grants from the government already weeks ago. Of course they want to be the first to apply for government grants, they are still seen by many in the government as the nationalized local airline, so they will get pretty much everything they want until someone complains to the EU commission.

[nebpor]

Delta removing 40% of it's capacity - only European flights will be to London

Twitter link
https://twitter.com/davidshepardson/status/1238517149322432514?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembe d%7Ctwterm%5E1238517149322432514&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2Flive%2F2020%2Fmar%2F13%2Fdonald-trump-coronavirus-joe-biden-bernie-sanders-live-updates-news

[crewmeal]

Now this from Sky

Trump now includes UK travel ban (https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-markets-crash-as-world-reacts-to-pandemic-11955867)

[DaveReidUK]

Trump now includes UK travel ban (https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-markets-crash-as-world-reacts-to-pandemic-11955867)

May include UK travel ban, according to the article.

[OwnNav]

Never thought I would see this
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1440x900/screen_shot_2020_03_13_at_22_11_15_5a7cb48a229672b7b9d0460e5 16fff7997b1a9e9.png

[Jonty]

This could turn into a total shutdown of aviation!

[flocci_non_faccio]

This could turn into a total shutdown of aviation!

I think that's a racing certainty.

[giggitygiggity]

Never thought I would see this
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1440x900/screen_shot_2020_03_13_at_22_11_15_5a7cb48a229672b7b9d0460e5 16fff7997b1a9e9.png

Before you jump completely to conclusions, it really doesn't look all that different to the picture a month previous. This is the transatlantic situation at 22:00 on the 14th of Feb. Things will change tomorrow, but transatlantic flights depart in regular waves, it's always quiet at this time.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1343x821/13th_b2937545b46fe1bbeb9a015404ae44cff1fac137.png

[Una Due Tfc]

Before you jump completely to conclusions, it really doesn't look all that different to the picture a month previous. This is the transatlantic situation at 22:00 on the 14th of Feb. Things will change tomorrow, but transatlantic flights depart in regular waves, it's always quiet at this time.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1343x821/13th_b2937545b46fe1bbeb9a015404ae44cff1fac137.png

Exactly. Peak NAT traffic is roughly 0300-0600 and 1100-1400 utc.

[Slamitin]

Sky news reporting U.K. and Ireland added to the list

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-us-adds-uk-and-irerland-to-european-travel-ban-11957614

[Airbubba]

Sky news reporting U.K. and Ireland added to the list

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-us-adds-uk-and-irerland-to-european-travel-ban-11957614

President Trump just said it has been looked at and that the UK and Ireland ban will be announced soon.

[nebpor]

It's now announced - UK and Eire banned from Monday. Dead skies indeed .....

[Just a spotter]

RTÉ confirming ban on travel from Ireland & UK.

JAS

[clipstone1]

So, in 30 days time, the rest of the world should ban everything American, no flights, no goods, no people.

[satpak77]

This is indeed arguably worse than 9/11. I cannot imagine the conversations at British Airways, Ryanair, Aer Lingus senior management right now.

[Spooky 2]

So, in 30 days time, the rest of the world should ban everything American, no flights, no goods, no people.


Kinda childish don't you think? Lets just work together to get things back to normal, what ever that looks like.

[Suzeman]

BBC reporting the US ban too

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51891662

[KelvinD]

I think there may be other interesting conversations going on at Heathrow just now. There has been an influx of Chinese biz jets into Heathrow over the last few days. I wonder if the conversations might be along the lines of:
"Aah, about your airline."
Yes.
"Give you hundred quid for it!"

[the_stranger]

Kinda childish don't you think? Lets just work together to get things back to normal, what ever that looks like.
While it sounds like a kneejerk reaction, seeing the US is some time behind Europe, chances are that when the virus is going away in Europe, the number of infections in the US will be still increasing.

It might be wise to isolate the US to prevemt a secondary infections back in Europe (also goes for Asia).

[towrope]

I see a United B788 on Flightaware on the way from Paris CDG to San Francisco and landing in about 30min...

[Livesinafield]

Any idea how people will get back from the USA to Europe and the UK??

[Longtimer]

Norway to close ports, airports from Monday to stop coronavirus: PMhttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-norway-airport/norway-to-close-ports-airports-from-monday-to-stop-coronavirus-pm-idUSKBN2110Z8?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuters+World+Ne ws%29

[ATC Watcher]

Any idea how people will get back from the USA to Europe and the UK??
You have the answer on the post just above yours. There are still US citizens that need to go back home and EU citizens that also need to go back ,it t is not a flying ban it is a ( specific) passengers ban..

[Suzeman]

I see a United B788 on Flightaware on the way from Paris CDG to San Francisco and landing in about 30min...

There have been quite a few flights from Europe to US today. I assume the only people on them are US citizens returning home.This includes European carriers as well as US ones - as I type KLM have 2 flights in the air from AMS - JFK, one to LAX and one to ORD. AFR have 4 flights from Paris to JFK plus one to Washington. There may well be others.

[Airbubba]

Norway to close ports, airports from Monday to stop coronavirus: PMAccording to the van driver, the UAE will make a similar announcement shortly.

[Alpine Flyer]

Austria has closed ski resorts from Sunday for the rest of the season and you cannot get much more outdoors than that. Having said that the first person I actually know, who tested positive and has had symptoms, picked it up last weekend on a ski trip with family friends, one of whom apparently got it on a business trip.
Skiing itself is probably quite safe except inside a full gondola and if leaving a bit of space in the lift queue, but the Apres-Ski is not and most of the infections in one resort happened via a single barkeeper. That area is now under quarantine (but foreigners are allowed to leave and are reported to their home authorities).

[Alpine Flyer]

Lufty talked very openly about applying for short work (Kurzarbeit) grants from the government already weeks ago. Of course they want to be the first to apply for government grants, they are still seen by many in the government as the nationalized local airline, so they will get pretty much everything they want until someone complains to the EU commission.
Without government help Europe will be without a significant airline industry in half a year. Short work technically is not an airline subsidy but an employee subsidy as money lost through short-time work is covered by the unemployment insurance (reasoning that this is still cheaper than real unemployment).

[Alpine Flyer]

There have been quite a few flights from Europe to US today. I assume the only people on them are US citizens returning home.This includes European carriers as well as US ones - as I type KLM have 2 flights in the air from AMS - JFK, one to LAX and one to ORD. AFR have 4 flights from Paris to JFK plus one to Washington. There may well be others.
There are also areas outside Schengen which are not subject to the ban. Austrian is keeping the VIE-ORD route alive as its only US service as there is still some passenger volume (plus good connections from ORD).

Good statement by ECA president Jon Horne on ECA's website. (https://www.eurocockpit.be/news/change-gonna-come)

[one11]

As a frequent shipper of small items to the USA, I assume that most airmail goes in the hold of passenger flights. As BA and the UK have no dedicated transatlantic freight / package aircraft does this mean UK Royal Mail will have to be diverted to their competitors FedEx , UPS, DHL etc.

[golfyankeesierra]

According to the van driver, the UAE will make a similar announcement shortly.
UAE concerns me, any link?

[jewitts]

As a frequent shipper of small items to the USA, I assume that most airmail goes in the hold of passenger flights. As BA and the UK have no dedicated transatlantic freight / package aircraft does this mean UK Royal Mail will have to be diverted to their competitors FedEx , UPS, DHL etc.
The company I work for regularly airfreights materials by the palette load from Europe to USA. Our agent told us yesterday to expect up to 4 weeks of delay due to lack of Transatlantic capacity! It coincides with a disruption in sea freight because empty shipping containers are stuck in China.

[Drc40]

This might not be popular but travel bans should be enacted everywhere including domestic. Those who say “it’s already in your country” are short sighted. There is no reason to increase concentration and saturation. If everyone just hunkered down for 2-3 weeks we might get over the hump. Cheers to all, stay safe and carry on.

[Una Due Tfc]

The company I work for regularly airfreights materials by the palette load from Europe to USA. Our agent told us yesterday to expect up to 4 weeks of delay due to lack of Transatlantic capacity! It coincides with a disruption in sea freight because empty shipping containers are stuck in China.

Lufty have delayed retirement of their MD-11Fs to carry freight to the states, and say they will fly empty pax widebodies to carry freight, presumably A350s seeing as they have the largest freight capacity of any LH pax aircraft.

[Airbubba]

UAE concerns me, any link?

Not yet but my source seems to think that there will be announcements about airport shutdowns starting Monday or Tuesday for several countries.

His earlier tip on the Kuwait shutdown was right on the money:

https://www.pprune.org/middle-east/630435-kuwait-halts-all-pax-flights-until-further-notice.html

[Airbubba]

Not yet but my source seems to think that there will be announcements about airport shutdowns starting Monday or Tuesday for several countries.

From a thread on the Middle East forum:

The UAE is about to announce a shutdown of its airports shortly. Stay tuned... :eek:

I’m hearing the same thing. Two week total shut down from Tuesday.

https://www.pprune.org/middle-east/630520-service-suspensions.html#post10714280

EK denies the rumor of the Tuesday shutdown:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/855x387/ek_rumor_c7d0fc061560f67f47bb6ee40c2d7c9133ca11cb.jpg

[CW247]

Britain and Ireland to be added to Trumps ban list 0400 Tuesday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51891662

[ThreeThreeMike]

This is a supremely stupid action. The virus is already here.

Whatever, they'll figure that out in a couple weeks.

Anyone questioning why they did this? Sheer incompetence, nothing else.

Says the man from the state which has produced a large portion of US fatalities. Have you stocked up on toilet paper?

[Drc40]

Says the man from the state which has produced a large portion of US fatalities. Have you stocked up on toilet paper?

I’ll give you an appropriate standing ovation. 👏🏻

[Adambrau]

AirFrance had 5 flight CDG-JFK and vv on Saturday. Sunday we have 4 flights with cancellation of AF22/23. Monday onward we are down to one daily flight AF006/007 for the next 30 days +. We're all in this together - let's hope for the best and plan for an extended disruption.

[Just a spotter]

From Reuters, 14th March 2020

American Airlines Inc said Saturday it plans to cut 75% of its international flights through May 6 and ground nearly all its widebody fleet, as airlines respond to the global collapse in travel demand due to the coronavirus pandemic. [...] American’s sweeping cuts include suspending nearly all long-haul international flights to Asia, Australia, Europe, New Zealand and South America.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-airlines/american-airlines-cutting-international-flights-by-75-amid-demand-collapse-idUSKBN2110YQ

JAS

[Gordomac]

For the crews that operate into the USA bringing back USA Citizens only, are they not out of hours to return ? I know all the tricks & extentions etc but to see a ORD turn-around on my roster woukld have me wishing for the good ole days. Now the roster might read ' LGW-ORD. Self isolation in airport hotel. Pos return 30th April'. Couldn't even arrange the crew party in my room anymore !

[GAZIN]

As a frequent shipper of small items to the USA, I assume that most airmail goes in the hold of passenger flights. As BA and the UK have no dedicated transatlantic freight / package aircraft does this mean UK Royal Mail will have to be diverted to their competitors FedEx , UPS, DHL etc.
They already do that.

[Ex Cargo Clown]

As a frequent shipper of small items to the USA, I assume that most airmail goes in the hold of passenger flights. As BA and the UK have no dedicated transatlantic freight / package aircraft does this mean UK Royal Mail will have to be diverted to their competitors FedEx , UPS, DHL etc.
Still capacity, but cargo airlines are making the most of this. Expect prices to go up.

[Swiss51]

Without government help Europe will be without a significant airline industry in half a year. Short work technically is not an airline subsidy but an employee subsidy as money lost through short-time work is covered by the unemployment insurance (reasoning that this is still cheaper than real unemployment).
One may easily also suspect an economic-political background to the decison to halt North Atlantic passenger traffic. There may well be a few leaders thinking "We are the greatest" and hope for a stronger comeback of the national airline industry, losing some "nasty" competitors in the no-fly period.

[arem]

Just a thought but why not go via Canada or the Caribbean

[suninmyeyes]

Just a thought but why not go via Canada or the Caribbean

Because at US immigration you will be asked if you have been in Europe in the last 14 days. If you say you have you will be deported and if you say you have not and they find out you have you are in big trouble.

[Just a spotter]

Irish Foreign Minister & Deputy Prime Minister (Tánaiste) Simon Coveneny TD, on RTÉ’s main early evening news today has just told all Irish in Spain to return before midnight on Thursday as that’s as far as the government will guarantee flights from the country will be available.

There was a suggestion that flight restrictions might go wider.

JAS

[Airbubba]

From today's White House briefing:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/798x206/air_travel_ban_b772229a62df7af2d1d744fb2faff27a49f3690f.jpg

[lomapaseo]

From today's White House briefing:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/798x206/air_travel_ban_b772229a62df7af2d1d744fb2faff27a49f3690f.jpg

Of course they are and always will be. All we should expect s that they are employed in steps based on data and deactivated the same way, To me it was a throw away line of communication to a question from a nervous public. Just like talking in neutral without committing to anything at the time

[Wannabe Flyer]

From a thread on the Middle East forum:





https://www.pprune.org/middle-east/630520-service-suspensions.html#post10714280

EK denies the rumor of the Tuesday shutdown:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/855x387/ek_rumor_c7d0fc061560f67f47bb6ee40c2d7c9133ca11cb.jpg
The UAE has stopped issuing visas & visa on arrival. They have a list of countries whose citizens are still allowed to enter the UAE provided they have a temperature & a swab scan.

[Brizeguy]

After 9/11 I recall an interesting article on the lack of contrails across the Atlantic causing a rise in temperatures and increased damage to the ozone layer, at the time it was considered unique and possibly coincidence. I wonder what data will be gained once we’re through this situation.

[drichard]

This is what FR24 reports transatlantic traffic as at 07:21 today. Just about everything flying east (no westbound traffic)

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1080x1920/screenshot_20200317_072145_835b2211770a4275e1788eb12a48af856 034423d.png

[onload]

This is normal at that time of the day. Check again in the afternoon...

[notlikethat]

BA canx my flt from LAX on 25th but booked me in for flight a few days earlier. Was quite a shock when I got the email been assured flt was operating.

[KelvinD]

I just looked on Planefinder and put in a filter to show Heathrow Inbound only. Across the Atlantic as a whole, there is a BA flight approaching the West coast of Ireland with just under 600 miles to run (BA226). On the other side of the ocean, BA192 is over Newfoundland with almost 3,000 miles to go. In between: Nothing! Half a dozen others have arrived or are still arriving at Heathrow but I was looking only at what is over the Atlantic.

[sewushr]

If I've counted correctly, there are 53 arrivals at Heathrow today from the US, and 9 from Canada. Not the normal schedule by any means, but more than the handful you suggest KelvinD.

[ReturningVector]

I just looked on Planefinder and put in a filter to show Heathrow Inbound only. Across the Atlantic as a whole, there is a BA flight approaching the West coast of Ireland with just under 600 miles to run (BA226). On the other side of the ocean, BA192 is over Newfoundland with almost 3,000 miles to go. In between: Nothing! Half a dozen others have arrived or are still arriving at Heathrow but I was looking only at what is over the Atlantic.

There is no radar coverage above the Atlantic.

[DCDriver]

There is no radar coverage above the Atlantic.

Doesn’t the feed come from ADS-B ?

[golfyankeesierra]

Doesn’t the feed come from ADS-B ?
correct, and no ADS-B receivers either ADS-B coverage FlightAware (https://uk.flightaware.com/adsb/coverage)

[KelvinD]

Nonsense! If I look at the Atlantic now, without any filters, I can see virtual flocks across the centre of the Atlantic. EG; Norwegian DI7043 approx half way between Gatwick & Miami and BA027 from LHR to MIA. While the tracks in those positions may not be ADS-B plots, they are extrapolated from flights that were being plotted on either side of the Atlantic until they went out of range of ground based ADS-B receivers. The tracks are usually not too far off the mark.

[Pilot DAR]

Discussion of the trends to our industry in respect of Transatlantic traffic is fine here. Please let's not have detailed blow by blow of each flight and FR24 okay? We don't want a needlessly cluttered thread.

[shaun ryder]

I have it on good authority that BA is pulling out of LGW permanently. Who else has heard this?

[wiggy]

There are all sorts of stories circulating about which fleets are going to be stood down, or is Waterside going to be turned into a hospital, etc etc but when pressed the "informed sources" often as not seem to turn out to be a mate on a Whatsapp Group.

As far as that rumour goes I have no doubt the LGW operation is going to be massively scaled down but I don't buy the "permanently" bit....

The fact so many rumours are running around is down to pretty much total radio silence form the top..

[chopper2004]

There’s also another issue which everyone hopes will not present itself as a problem when things start to show a degree of normality (hopefully not too long) and that’s gonna be safety/ currency on type. Obviously start at the top with the Top 100 Airlines as an example, work way down to corporate and rotary wing then GA will be the very last on the pecking order.

I have not forgotten the cabin crew nor engineers maintenance folk either

I doubt it will be the complete death of aviation ...but could take a year or two to come up to speed ?

All the best and lest get through this together.

Cheers

[cats_five]

There’s also another issue which everyone hopes will not present itself as a problem when things start to show a degree of normality (hopefully not too long) and that’s gonna be safety/ currency on type. Obviously start at the top with the Top 100 Airlines as an example, work way down to corporate and rotary wing then GA will be the very last on the pecking order.

I have not forgotten the cabin crew nor engineers maintenance folk either

I doubt it will be the complete death of aviation ...but could take a year or two to come up to speed ?

All the best and lest get through this together.

Cheers

My gliding club instructors won't be waiting for the rest of aviation to get current! Nor, I suspect, will other non-commercial instructors. We have had the occasional long lay-off before due to weather, they know how to deal with getting us all current again.

[Piper.Classique]

Ok, one or two people in a glider. Weight up to 600/700 kg and six instruments on the panel. GPS, flarm and Vario. One lever for the wheel. With all due respect, not quite the same as a heavy, is it?

[cats_five]

Ok, one or two people in a glider. Weight up to 600/700 kg and six instruments on the panel. GPS, flarm and Vario. One lever for the wheel. With all due respect, not quite the same as a heavy, is it?

Of course not, but neither is a small Cessna.

[Piper.Classique]

I grant you that. I won't be asking anyone to check me out for solo flying in my private aircraft either. But that's not the point, is it? There are going to be a lot of pilots who normally fly the heavies struggling to remain current. Not enough sims I suspect. Certainly not much actual flight time for those who have been laid off. And probably more needed than three quick circuits and good to go....

[kiwi grey]

... when things start to show a degree of normality (hopefully not too long)

It will be not less than six months, more likely next northern spring - i.e. twelve months - before things get going again, unless a vaccine (probably Chinese developed and manufactured) comes through extra quickly.
And whilst Trump has said that the US economy will take off like a rocket, in my view it will more closely reflect the take-off performance of a heavy A340 from Quito ;-)

[blind pew]

Always amazes me the ignorance that some big boys have wrt other flying disciplines.
Ever winched, flown micro lights, paragliders, helicopters or even spun?
Recency regulation as demonstrated on AF 447 is questionable.

[Piper.Classique]

Not a big boy myself. Except for helicopters, yes.

[foxcharliep2]

It will be not less than six months, more likely next northern spring - i.e. twelve months - before things get going again, unless a vaccine (probably Chinese developed and manufactured) comes through extra quickly.
And whilst Trump has said that the US economy will take off like a rocket, in my view it will more closely reflect the take-off performance of a heavy A340 from Quito ;-)

Oh boy, that image of an A-340 T/O in Quito really makes the the current crisis visible ...Thanks for that !

Fully agree with you on a 2 year scope.

[ATC Watcher]

Interesting to see gliders discussed in a Transatlantic thread but we do live in strange times.. Regarding the extension of about-to -expire licences and medicals many Sates are already planning an automatic extension .France is one .
EASA is also looking into it . From the German LBA ( Google translation) :

Re FLC licences expiration, EASA announced in the middle of the week that it would apply the Flexibility Commission of the Basic Regulation and had taken the first steps

[Banana Joe]

3 months extension for the Belgian CAA, with a possible further 3 month extension. Hopefully not...

[Zeffy]

Only two Westbound tracks today.

West NATs

WESTBOUND TRACKS

NAT TRACKS FLS 310/390 INCLUSIVE
03/23/20 1130Z TO 03/23/20 1900Z

A RESNO 56/20 57/30 57/40 54/50 NEEKO
EAST LVLS NIL
WEST LVLS 310 320 330 340 350 360 370 380 390
EUR RTS WEST NIL
NAR NIL-

B DOGAL 55/20 56/30 56/40 53/50 RIKAL
EAST LVLS NIL
WEST LVLS 310 320 330 340 350 360 370 380 390
EUR RTS WEST NIL
NAR NIL-

REMARKS:
1. TMI IS 083 AND OPERATORS ARE REMINDED TO INCLUDE THE
TMI NUMBER AS PART OF THE OCEANIC CLEARANCE READ BACK.

2.OPERATORS ARE REMINDED THAT ADS-C AND CPDLC IS MANDATED FOR
LEVELS 290-410 IN NAT AIRSPACE.

3. PBCS OTS LEVELS 350-390. PBCS TRACKS AS FOLLOWS
NO ASSIGNED PBCS TRACKS
END OF PBCS OTS

4.FOR STRATEGIC LATERAL OFFSET AND CONTINGENCY PROCEDURES FOR OPS IN
NAT FLOW REFER TO NAT PROGRAMME COORDINATION WEBSITE
WWW.PARIS.ICAO.INT.
SLOP SHOULD BE STANDARD PROCEDURE, NOT JUST FOR AVOIDING WX/TURB.

5.80 PERCENT OF GROSS NAVIGATION ERRORS RESULT FROM POOR COCKPIT
PROCEDURES. CONDUCT EFFECTIVE WAYPOINT CHECKS.

6.OPERATORS ARE REMINDED THAT CLEARANCES MAY DIFFER FROM THE
FLIGHT PLAN, FLY THE CLEARANCE.

7.UK AIP. ENR 2.2.4.2 PARA 5.2 STATES THAT NAT OPERATORS SHALL FILE
PRM'S.

8.FLIGHTS REQUESTING WESTBOUND OCEANIC CLEARANCE VIA ORCA DATALINK
SHALL INCLUDE IN RMK/ FIELD THE HIGHEST ACCEPTABLE FLIGHT LEVEL WHICH
CAN
BE MAINTAINED AT OAC ENTRY POINT.

9.ALL ADSC CPDLC EQUIPPED FLIGHTS NOT LOGGED ON TO A DOMESTIC ATSU
PRIOR TO ENTERING THE SHANWICK OCA MUST INITIATE A LOGON TO EGGX
BETWEEN 10
AND 25 MINUTES PRIOR TO OCA ENTRY.-