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redsetter
18th Jan 2020, 17:11
The IRIS III Hastings WJ338 visited Malaysia in April-May 1969 for "Have Garden" trials with the RN, having previously received an (unspecified) radio fit for the occasion. I wonder if any forum members might know what the "Have Garden" trials would have involved ? A Google suggests there was a US "Have Garden" project, apparently connected with an assessment of the MiG-21 engine, but that doesn't seem to fit the bill for the Hastings task.

sandringham1
18th Jan 2020, 19:23
I cannot help with what 'Have Garden' might have been but I do have on record that WJ338 made its last flight from RAF Watton to Pershore on the 22nd of January 1969. It was Struck off Charge on the 4th of July 1969. So some special mission during April-May fits.

redsetter
18th Jan 2020, 21:35
Sandringham, thanks - that helps a bit. Explains why the photo I've seen of WJ338 at Pershore in early 1969 has the "IRIS III" legend on the fin taped-over.

redsetter
22nd Jan 2020, 21:20
FWIW, I've discovered "Have Garden" was an terrorist/insurgent camp fire detection trial, using a detector to sniff the smoke.

David Thompson
22nd Jan 2020, 22:46
Moved by road from Pershore to the RAF Fire School at Catterick early-mid 70's , the majority being burnt but some sections went to Salisbury Plain to be used as targets .

spekesoftly
22nd Jan 2020, 23:25
"Have Garden" was an terrorist/insurgent camp fire detection trial, using a detector to sniff the smoke.

Sounds similar to 'Autolycus', fitted to some Shackletons, for sniffing out submarines.

QuePee
25th Jan 2020, 12:47
Sadly WJ338 did end her days at RAF Catterick. Here she is in 1972.

QP

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1799x1199/1972_06_21_hastings_c1_wj338_catterick_1_14ac0ccc9555d6f924f 2ea5c011ea1158d4674c5.jpg
21 June 1972
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1799x1199/1972_06_21_hastings_c1_wj338_catterick_2_60fc7870960b2a14e01 2ce8a6884f6bb192451a0.jpg
21 June 1972

redsetter
25th Jan 2020, 17:44
Thanks for all the replies. The sniffer (derived from Autolycus) was apparently positioned in a compartment behind the cockpit (first round window on port side). Can anyone tell me what that compartment would have been used for in a regular Hastings ?

DaveReidUK
25th Jan 2020, 22:22
Moved by road from Pershore to the RAF Fire School at Catterick early-mid 70's , the majority being burnt but some sections went to Salisbury Plain to be used as targets .

Other sources suggest it arrived at Catterick in July 1969.

Am I right in thinking that in those days some aircraft were actually flown into there ?

sycamore
25th Jan 2020, 23:45
Red,the W/OP was seated behind the Captain(lhs),with the engineer on the right behind the co-pilot.Both engineer and W/OP faced aft; the Navigator was seated further aft of the w/op facing port..However,I only flew in Hastings from AAEE,and have seen photos,probably from other Commands/Research bases that have completely different layouts,as there would be no need to carry pax or freight..There is on a lot of Hastings photos ,what seems to be a long angled `tube`,underneath the w/op`s position,protruding under the fuselage..It was used for the `trailing` HF Aerial,and not a `p` tube outlet..Part of pre-landing check was for the w/op to check the aerial was wound in,otherwise !

DRUK,I would be amazed if as suggested that the aircraft arrived by road,then re-assembled then left as in the photos.A lot of aircraft were given a `oneway-in` final flight to Catterick,think it may have been about 1000yds long...

Yellow Sun
26th Jan 2020, 06:23
Other sources suggest it arrived at Catterick in July 1969.

Am I right in thinking that in those days some aircraft were actually flown into there ?

Yes, I took a Varsity into Catterick from Gaydon in 1969.

YS

sycamore
26th Jan 2020, 08:35
Catterick was 1150 yds ,still visible on GE..

NRU74
26th Jan 2020, 10:03
Other sources suggest it arrived at Catterick in July 1969.

Am I right in thinking that in those days some aircraft were actually flown into there ?

Tony Cunnane took Victor K1 XA939 on its last flight there in 1976

Cornish Jack
26th Jan 2020, 10:38
Part of pre-landing check was for the w/op to check the aerial was wound in,otherwise !

...7/6 deducted from pay (one left on the scarp ridge above Salalah (!)) plus (of course) a bollocking or (apochryphal, I hope), a severed cow on the slopes of Swanton Morley!. The 7/6 (seven shillings and 6 pence) was the cost of the lead weights on the end of the aerial.

Duchess_Driver
26th Jan 2020, 16:51
IIRC the last fixed wing traffic into the fire college at Catterick were the three Vulcans in 1982. Fixed wing tugs were occasional visitors to the VGS until it moved to Topcliffe.

mcdhu
26th Jan 2020, 23:44
"Ratchets selected, beads clamped" was the checklist item.
mcdhu

staircase
27th Jan 2020, 13:55
Red,

Walk forward from the cabin into the 'flight deck'. First compartment on the right (stbd) was the galley. First compartment on the left was the crew rest area.

Immediately behind the Captain facing aft was the Wop. Immediately behind the Co-pilot was the navigator, facing forward and behind him, facing aft was the flight engineer. Between the nav and the engineer was the first of the windows.

Postfade
30th Jan 2020, 15:39
I understood that the IRIS aircraft operated by RAF Signals Command, carried out calibration of instruments and communications systems on RAF airfields. Here is at Changi in November 1961, presumably in that role. I think she made an annual visit?
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x524/61_11_hastings_wj338_iris_iii_from_signals_command_raf_chang i_november_1961_s626a_800px_91f8c2eb1e64a846def60a043d9c4b02 8f7df6ec.jpg
Signals Command Hastings WJ338 'Iris III' at Changi November 1961.

David
david taylor images (http://www.davidtaylorimages.co.uk) ......look for the 'Aviation' gallery for the Singapore images.

ex82watcher
30th Jan 2020, 17:50
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In the 1980s,there was a piece of airspace over the North Sea,which was designated as 'Trailing Wire Area Mike',which IIRC,when active ,precluded the relevant levels from use by aircraft on air route UR4. Does this still exist ?