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splitty
2nd Jan 2020, 05:34
Airvan bites the sand
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/480x640/c3ec7ea3_8187_469b_a901_d23563130f73_0b58548ec7212edf8f036a3 3c5804f5e11525d09.jpeg
Not A Seaplane !
Has that lost its nose wheel or just sunk?
takeonme
2nd Jan 2020, 06:57
If it sunk just hang off the tail and pivot 😉
runway16
2nd Jan 2020, 08:01
I have heard of tail draggers but this gives real meaning to the expression nose dragger!
Is there a tide scum, looks like sand and its just dropped over the bank into the creek. Interesting foreground to that pic
Or, as for beach driving .. beware the sand that is loosened by running water. As learnt up remote Cape beaches !!
Kerplonk.!..now extricate yourself.... Tide incoming...better hurry .
cowl flaps
2nd Jan 2020, 11:19
Just put two big fat bastards in the rear seats,- get the nose up and stick a 5 gallon drum behind the prop. :D
flywatcher
2nd Jan 2020, 19:29
That looks like a very strange piece of beach to put an aircraft on.
Squawk7700
2nd Jan 2020, 21:16
That looks like a very strange piece of beach to put an aircraft on.
I’d be guessing it was dragged up there to elude the incoming tide.
RatsoreA
3rd Jan 2020, 12:50
The timid airvan sneaks up the waters edge for drink, always alert for predators... They are at their most vulnerable and would be easy pickings for a hungry Catalina hiding out of site, waiting to strike...
easy pickings for a hungry Catalina hiding out of site, waiting to strike...
Or an Orion sneaking up the beach at ? feet
Cloudee
6th Jan 2020, 10:09
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2020/aair/ao-2020-001/
The ATSB is investigating a runway overrun involving GippsAero GA8, VH-BNX, at Fraser Island, Queensland, on 2 January 2020.
During landing, the aircraft overran the runway resulting in the nose landing gear collapsing and the propeller striking the ground. There were no injuries to the pilot or seven passengers.
Ixixly
6th Jan 2020, 12:59
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wheels_down
25th Jan 2020, 02:42
Seven News seems to have got hands of the landing video.
Trying to find it, appeared on my Facebook feed.
Certainly floated for a bit.
Car RAMROD
25th Jan 2020, 04:11
https://7news.com.au/news/qld/pilot-error-caused-light-plane-to-crash-during-landing-on-fraser-island-c-634847.amp
video there.
nice of the owner to publicly throw the pilot under the bus like that too. Sounds like a great place to work.
gchriste
25th Jan 2020, 05:13
Wow. If ever a case of throwing your employee under the bus to save business, this is it. We are awesome, just a pesky bad pilot of ours.
who would want to work for that mob Urgh.
wheels_down
25th Jan 2020, 05:25
Well that’s disturbing...
spektrum
25th Jan 2020, 06:52
Sounds fair enough really.
Stickshift3000
25th Jan 2020, 07:03
This operator really doesn't do its pilots or GA in general any favours. What a top notch tool.
Pilotette
25th Jan 2020, 10:37
Looks like a strange bit of flap movement there. Not quite pulled into the notch? Or some kind of random "procedure"?
longrass
26th Jan 2020, 00:48
What on earth are those flaps up to? I had a girlfriend once that couldn’t control hers either...
Squawk7700
26th Jan 2020, 01:27
The operator doesn’t need to throw the pilot under the bus when the video does it on it’s own.
Car RAMROD
26th Jan 2020, 01:56
The operator doesn’t need to throw the pilot under the bus when the video does it on it’s own.
so why does the owner make such comments then?
I would be pretty confident in saying that the pilot did not intend that as the outcome for their days flying. So why did that happen?
poor training? Poor oversight of standards? Boss man said standards weren’t adhered to by the pilot; but whose job is it to oversee that those standards are maintained hmm?
was the area that was picked for landing really suitable or could it have been better?
I don’t know the Airvan so I don’t know what was happening with the flaps. A guess (yes speculation) is that the pilot MAY have been trying to lose some lift during a float to help get the plane on the ground. If so, why do that? Who taught them that? Why not go around instead? Is there a culture issue at play?
Theres probably more to it than just “100% pilot error” and that they will be “disciplined”.
How about a different statement along the lines of “the investigation is ongoing and if required the pilot will undergo some additional training” rather than the publicised vindictive blame.
p.s where is the rest of the registration under the wing? Isn’t that a CASR requirement?
longrass
26th Jan 2020, 02:38
The operator doesn’t need to throw the pilot under the bus when the video does it on it’s own.
He does in his mind when every man and his dog is trying to ban beach landings...
no_one
29th Jan 2020, 04:29
p.s where is the rest of the registration under the wing? Isn’t that a CASR requirement?
There is an exemption for that:
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2015L02066
yet again the CASA rule writers couldn't get it right and rather than fixing the rule publish an exemption...
Nipper
29th Jan 2020, 06:10
no one, that piece of legislation self cancelled on 03 July 2016. :ugh:
flying-spike
29th Jan 2020, 07:08
And they just ditched another one with “rudder failure?”. Fortunately no serious injuries.
wheels_down
29th Jan 2020, 07:52
So is that the whole fleet now out of action or they have some more?
lucille
29th Jan 2020, 07:57
I just saw this on the news. Rudder failure? Unusual reason to ditch one would have thought - especially as the beach looked like being about 100 metres away.
Im guessing stall/spin with recovery too low and not enough energy to do anything but plonk it in the surf. Pure speculation of course.
tio540
29th Jan 2020, 08:23
I just saw this on the news. Rudder failure? Unusual reason to ditch one would have thought - especially as the beach looked like being about 100 metres away.
Im guessing stall/spin with recovery too low and not enough energy to do anything but plonk it in the surf. Pure speculation of course.
investigation complete!
spinex
29th Jan 2020, 08:26
Old Mate Karma seems to have been having a little fun with this one, pilot identified as the same fella quoted in news reports above.
737pnf
29th Jan 2020, 08:48
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Stickshift3000
29th Jan 2020, 10:35
Old Mate Karma seems to have been having a little fun with this one, pilot identified as the same fella quoted in news reports above.
100% pilot error Gerry?!
lucille
29th Jan 2020, 11:42
investigation complete!
Which part of “I’m guessing” and “pure speculation” did you fail to comprehend?
Pappa Smurf
30th Jan 2020, 00:31
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Squawk7700
30th Jan 2020, 01:23
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There’s your problem right there folks. The engine is missing. That is surely an offence of strict liability.
tootle pip.
Duck Pilot
30th Jan 2020, 07:23
Haven’t read the stuff for a while, however there are probably a few hooks in the Act that the ATSB operate under as well.
Also throw any insurance claim out the window if the engine was removed without their approval.
runway16
30th Jan 2020, 10:38
Could there be another reason?
Like nose wheel issue/failure/falling off = rudder jaming issue = fuel supply interference = engine failure = ditching off shore.
One pilot noted to be wearing a life jacket as he emerged from the water.
Car RAMROD
30th Jan 2020, 11:06
News article here:
https://amp.9news.com.au/article/88e96b2d-1293-41a8-bf66-d971490cf4fd
rudder failure and an engine failure, and a ditching. Sheesh what a day of bad luck!
Kulwin Park
30th Jan 2020, 11:06
Before some idiot says it .......... Sorry folks, THIS WILL NOT BUFF OUT !!! :8
j3pipercub
30th Jan 2020, 11:22
Not with that attitude
tio540
30th Jan 2020, 14:52
Which part of “I’m guessing” and “pure speculation” did you fail to comprehend?
I fail to comprehend how that analysis finds itself on a professional forum.
Capt Fathom
30th Jan 2020, 19:25
It was an awkward looking ditching. As the media would say... it plunged into the ocean! They were lucky to swim away from that.
Just a Grunt
31st Jan 2020, 00:25
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2001/aair/aair200102216/
Gerry’s had some bad luck over the years. He was the “intended lessee” referred to in this report. I don’t suggest that he in any way contributed to what happened, which was all on the good Dr/owner.
Spode
31st Jan 2020, 06:28
Well, the front fell off.
Runaway Gun
31st Jan 2020, 10:03
"...was seen plunging from the sky,,," and "The aircraft slowly angles down towards the ocean surface until it impacts."
Both from the same report. :rolleyes:
Capt Fathom
31st Jan 2020, 10:12
Yep! That what the video shows.
Ejector
1st Feb 2020, 01:35
Any real info yet? Rudder Failure then an engine failure and ditching next to the beach? Lucjy no one in the back, the C206 is a coffin ditching for most rear pax the way the door release is designed with flaps extended.
pbwhi0
8th Feb 2020, 08:02
There’s your problem right there folks. The engine is missing. That is surely an offence of strict liability.
tootle pip.
Hahah, Yeah I wondered how anyone could miss that in their pre-flight. Must have also missed the run-up part of the checklist as well. Doh!