London Heathrow questions

[Fly.Buy]

Many years ago we were flying out of High Wycombe aerodrome with a visual view of Heathrow in the distance. The pilot of our aeroplane turn to me and mentioned a couple of facts about Heathrow and I wonder if someone would be kind enough to either corroborate these as being true or dismiss them as untrue.

The two facts which I would like to have clarified are as follows:
1) Many years ago, on Christmas days, Heathrow would open up its airspace and runways for light aircraft to land free of charge.
2) A light aircraft technically can land on the width of any of Heathrows runways.

Thanks in anticipation of any comments or recollections.

[ShyTorque]

1) Might be true, but I doubt that. I've never done it on Christmas Day but the last time I landed there it cost around £9,000 all in! I know that some ask to cross directly over the airfield for a close look, which was granted.
2) The runways are posted as only 50 metres wide, so technically, no!

[Cornish Jack]

1. Unlikely, but how many years ago?
2. Which light aircraft? Done (as pax) a cross-runway take-off in a 'Single Pin' and watched similar for Helio Courier but anything else?

[DaveReidUK]

You would almost certainly have got a Twin Pin stopped in that distance.

Or probably a Skyvan in the right hands - I remember landing with Shorts' CTP on the old 28 at Glasgow, and we stopped well short of the 05/23 intersection.

[ShyTorque]

I think those specialist machines are stretching the definition of "light aircraft" a bit far.... :cool:

[DaveReidUK]

I think those specialist machines are stretching the definition of "light aircraft" a bit far.... :cool:Fair point.
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Though if we're being picky, "light aircraft" includes helicopters too, though probably not what the OP had in mind. :O

[possel]

2) A light aircraft technically can land on the width of any of Heathrows runways.
I did see a Cessna 172 take off on a taxiway at right angles to 27R (or 28R as it might have been then) in about 1963. The taxiway was due north of the central island (probably the current A7 or possibly A8).

[dixi188]

The original runways were 300ft wide and most of the concrete is still there for 27L & 27R, so I think lots of types could take off and land in that distance with a little bit of wind on the nose.

[Oilhead]

“This runway is very short.”

“Yes but at least it’s very wide.”

[turbidus]

hahaha...from the FAA rules:CHAPTER 2. RUNWAY LENGTHS FOR SMALL AIRPLANES WITH MAXIMUM CERTIFICATED TAKEOFF WEIGHT OF 12,500 POUNDS (5,670 KG) OR LESS201. SMALL AIRPLANES WITH APPROACH SPEEDS OF LESS THAN 30 KNOTS. Airplanes with approach speeds of less than 30 knots are considered to be short takeoff and landing or ultra light airplanes. Their recommended runway length is 300 feet (92 meters) at mean sea level. Runways located above mean sea level should be increased at the rate of 0.03 x airport elevation above mean sea level to obtain the recommended runway length at that elevation.

[ShyTorque]

Fair point.
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Though if we're being picky, "light aircraft" includes helicopters too, though probably not what the OP had in mind. :O

If you can afford nine grand, yes - but in a helicopter you still don't get to use the runway, even though you have to buy a runway slot.

[Wycombe]

1) Many years ago, on Christmas days, Heathrow would open up its airspace and runways for light aircraft to land free of charge.

Many years ago, Wycombe-based club aircraft (from what was the BA Flying Club, and maybe others) certainly did use to fly approaches at Heathrow on Christmas Day.

Don't think they landed, but it was before my time flying with one of clubs there, so may have that wrong.

[vancouv]

Don't know about Heathrow, but I remember reading an article about some GA types doing approaches to Gatwick on Xmas day for charity - they may not have landed, just go arounds or touch and gos.

I did my QCC to Manston and it certainly felt like my 152 could have landed widthways!

[Double Hydco]

Not too many years ago the usual suspects would launch from Andrewsfield on Christmas morning and fly around the tower at Stansted just to wish the tower guys a merry Christmas. These days, even though most of the based aircraft are on the ground for Christmas day, there are lots of movements from Turkey and mainland Europe.....

[Flap40]

There was of course the Chipmunk that was discovered parked next to the fence many years ago. Apparently snuck in during the night.

[Musket90]

Yes, some did land on Christmas day. It happened in the late 80's when I worked there and was on shift. They were parked on the now defunct "Delta" stands. Don't know though which airfields they came from.

[Geezers of Nazareth]

There was of course the Chipmunk that was discovered parked next to the fence many years ago. Apparently snuck in during the night.
Yes, but that wasn't at (or near) christmas, so doesn't really count.

[chevvron]

“This runway is very short.”

“Yes but at least it’s very wide.”





The taxiways are wide too, so much so that Dr Sheila Scott, departing on her round the world flight in Comanche G-ATOY in May and June 1966, (pre dating that planned by Carol somebody or other) took off from a taxiway by mistake!!

[Private jet]

I recall that back in the early 1990's there was a BA maintenance engineer/ PPL who rebuilt an old Piper Cub (?) in the corner of the TBA north pen. When it was eventually finished he got permission to fly it out of LHR, had to have a BA pilot go with him though.

[treadigraph]

I recall that Stephen Grey's first P-51D was resprayed as "Moose" by BA at Heathrow around 1981.

[old,not bold]

2) The runways are posted as only 50 metres wide, so technically, no!
Yes, well, having done my ab initio in an Auster, give me one of those and a 25Kt headwind and Ill get it down and stopped in 50m, quite possibly without putting it in its nose.

Or probably a Skyvan in the right hands - I remember landing with Shorts' CTPI had the pleasure of riding in the RH seat for a Skyvan demo flight at Abu Dhabi; possibly the same pilot (Mike ???, it was a long time ago, early '70s).. It was parked in the middle of then quite small ( 200m wide?)apron, facing North-West. He started up and reversed to the edge, then applied full power and was airborne well before the far end. He levelled at about 50ft AGL. flew round the back of the terminal building, and touched down on the edge of the apron, stopping in the original starting position in the centre.

(On another day, a French demo pilot demonstrated a Falcon to the assembled Ruling Family and aviation big-wigs, after we had all looked around and admired the aircraft, inside and out. The Ruling Family was very impressed. He started up, taxied out, and took off. At about 50 ft, while the gear was still coming in, he commenced 2 beautifully executed climbing rolls, I guess to show how well it flew. Within minutes the Ruling Family was on the way home in their Mercedes limos, led by Shaikh Zaid muttering "I'm not an idiot; why would I buy a plane that does that sort of thing?")

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[Asturias56]

“This runway is very short.”

“Yes but at least it’s very wide.”
I asked a FIGAS Islander pilot if he was ever tempted to take off using the lead-in taxiway and the width of the runway at MPL when there was a cross-wind - he said it had been done in the early days but RAF ATC went BALLISTIC....................... ;)

[JENKINS]

Stanley, FIGAS, many years ago, pitched up as new Islander pilot. Local acceptance very rapid; so rapid that at an early stage I noted wind way out of limits for departure, to be told that there was a cross runway. Don't assume, check!

[Asturias56]

Was that Stanley or MPH? Stanley has 18/36 but never seen anyone use it..................

We were using the easterly taxi way at MPH - its about 300 m from the edge of the apron to the NE side of 28

[707 AF]

Where can we make taxiing shot ?

[olympus]

There was of course the Chipmunk that was discovered parked next to the fence many years ago. Apparently snuck in during the night.

The Chipmunk came from Denham (just a mile or two to the north on the edge of the Zone) and I believe alcohol was involved.

[l.garey]

Don't know about Heathrow, but I remember reading an article about some GA types doing approaches to Gatwick on Xmas day for charity - they may not have landed, just go arounds or touch and gos.



In fact Gatwick was a regular stop for me in the early 1970s to clear customs on our way from Wycombe to wherever in a Cherokee. I sometimes shot an ILS for practice. Never tried to land across the runway though
Laurence