Antanov crash near Lviv

[Plane.Silly]

Reported on BBC, an A12 crashed just short of Lviv airport, where it was due for a stopover.

5 of the 8 on board confirmed dead.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49931753

[barry lloyd]

Very sad. This aircraft has been in the UK skies a lot recently on cargo charter work. Apparently en route from Vigo to Istanbul according to Ukrainian media.

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

It ran out of fuel before a planned stopover..??

[WingNut60]

It ran out of fuel before a planned stopover..??

Shades of LaMia 2933.

[Sobelena]

Just because there was no fire does not mean they ran out of fuel. Considering the visibility at the time and the time of day, that may also be a factor.

[peter we]

Just because there was no fire does not mean they ran out of fuel. Considering the visibility at the time and the time of day, that may also be a factor.

It was reported that the aircraft ran out of fuel.

Chairman of the State Migration Service of Ukraine Maksym Sokoliuk, in turn, said on Facebook that there were seven crewmembers on board the plane An-12 UR-CAH (flight UKL4050) of the Ukraine Aeroalliance ("Ukraine Air Alliance") Airline. The plane was flying from Vigo (Spain) to Lviv (Ukraine). According to him, the plane made an emergency landing near the cemetery in the village of Sokilnyky. "There are deaths, according to a preliminary report. The plane had to make an emergency landing because it ran out of fuel. A probe into the incident has begun," Sokoliuk added.

Read more on UNIAN: https://www.unian.info/society/10708638-military-aircraft-makes-emergency-landing-near-ukraine-s-lviv-airport-casualties-reported-photos.html

[Raffles S.A.]

Running out of fuel in fog doesn't give a lot of options.

[SanHor]

Sad day today, nobody starts his duty with the intention of this outcome. Rest in Peace.

I used to operate in the same market, the ad-hoc cargo charter, for the automotive industry.

I have seen crews hanging around at airports and handling lounges in UK and Sweden, waiting for hours because the company refused to extend their hotel rooms.
Even saw one day an Antonov parked in Morocco with the crew sleeping in the aircraft because the company did not arrange their visa’s to enter Morroco.

I hope a thorough investigation will follow also taking into account the rest and duty times and if fatique has played part in this incident.

[UnderASouthernSky]

Surely a mistake in the reports that the aircraft was fuel stopping en route from Vigo to Istanbul. Lviv seems well off the great circle for that.

[gearlever]

Surely a mistake in the reports that the aircraft was fuel stopping en route from Vigo to Istanbul. Lviv seems well off the great circle for that.

Indeed, but maybe part of the load was for the Ukraine.

[zetec2]

Note in the article loss of an AN 22 as well.

[gearlever]

Note in the article loss of an AN 22 as well.

29 December 2010 ?

[UnderASouthernSky]

it is a very natural choice of routing if you take the traffic rights consideration into account

Good point.

Visibility certainly not ideal at the time of the crash. Be interesting to see how potential low fuel and wx factors combined to have an effect.

[fox niner]

From AvHerald:

On Oct 5th 2019 the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) revoked the status as authorized third country operator from the airline effectively disallowing the airline to operate within the airspace of the European Union.

Easa must have been in a hurry to revoke their permit. Apparently it could not wait till after the weekend.

[CargoOne]

Within the 48 hours preceding the crash this aircraft flew Accra-Santa Maria-Bangor-Toronto-Toulouse-Vigo-Lviv (ACC-SMA-BGR-YYZ-TLS-VGO-LWO), this is very roughly 35-37 hours in the air. All of it is an ad-hoc cargo operation, I give it 99% chance it was done by the same crew.

[gearlever]

Within the 48 hours preceding the crash this aircraft flew Accra-Santa Maria-Bangor-Toronto-Toulouse-Vigo-Lviv (ACC-SMA-BGR-YYZ-TLS-VGO-LWO), this is very roughly 35-37 hours in the air. All of it is an ad-hoc cargo operation, I give it 99% chance it was done by the same crew.


YYZ-TLS- = 3374 NM (GC) ?

[UltraFan]

Within the 48 hours preceding the crash this aircraft flew Accra-Santa Maria-Bangor-Toronto-Toulouse-Vigo-Lviv (ACC-SMA-BGR-YYZ-TLS-VGO-LWO), this is very roughly 35-37 hours in the air. All of it is an ad-hoc cargo operation, I give it 99% chance it was done by the same crew.

How do you know it is "ad hoc cargo operation"?

[SanHor]

Within the 48 hours preceding the crash this aircraft flew Accra-Santa Maria-Bangor-Toronto-Toulouse-Vigo-Lviv (ACC-SMA-BGR-YYZ-TLS-VGO-LWO), this is very roughly 35-37 hours in the air. All of it is an ad-hoc cargo operation, I give it 99% chance it was done by the same crew.

Would not be surprised either! :yuk:

[CargoOne]

YYZ-TLS- = 3374 NM (GC) ?

That's about AN12 still air ferry range. Typical winds will give you some payload too.

[gearlever]

On Oct 7th 2019 Ukraine's Ministry of Transport announced, the air operator's certificate (AoC) of the airline Ukraine Air Alliance was terminated effective Oct 5th 2019 00:00z. The Ministry wrote: "The order was adopted on the basis of a decision of the Standing Commission on the Certification of Operators, Maintenance and Aviation Maintenance Organizations, Aviation Engineering Developers and Manufacturers, Training Flight Training Facilities in Ukraine, Flight and Technical Personnel (Minutes No. 46 of 04 October 2019 )."
The Aviation Herald (http://avherald.com/h?article=4cd99477&opt=0)

[gearlever]

Low on fuel?
Not on their list....

Police investigating four possible causes of An-12 crash near Lviv (https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/617611.html)

[BDAttitude]

Fuel starvation could be part of three of their four “causes”.
From this list the they seem to be looking more for the originator than the root cause.

[liider]

Preliminary report released (in Ukranian).
Descended below the glide slope and collided with the ground in dense fog.
Previous flights were done by the same crew (34h work/17h rest).
http://www.nbaai.gov.ua/uploads/pdf/Preliminary_An-12_UR-CAH.pdf