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bolthead
31st Aug 2019, 10:39
No more daylight. Incapacitated Instructor. Champion
Clare Prop
31st Aug 2019, 11:03
Great job by the student and the controller. Hope the instructor will be OK.
Edited to add that of course GT has all the answers. "The West Australian aviation editor Geoffrey Thomas said the plane was a VH-TFR"
Saintly
31st Aug 2019, 15:36
Reference: https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/stude...ng-b881309077z (https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/student-makes-emergency-landing-at-jandakot-after-instructor-has-seizure-ng-b881309077z)
The student pilot said it was his first lesson. Air traffic control help student pilot land aircraft at Jandakot. Flight instructor passed out.
See below from the live ATC - Archives in order of 1st and 2nd
1st one from the 9 minute and 15 second mark: http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ypjt/YPJT2-Gnd-Twr-Aug-31-2019-0900Z.mp3
2nd one: http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ypjt/YPJT2-Gnd-Twr-Aug-31-2019-0930Z.mp3
(https://www.pprune.org/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=10558672)
Car RAMROD
31st Aug 2019, 22:24
Bloody good job!
I hope the instructor is ok and has a speedy recovery.
If the controller ever gave up ATC he’d make a good flying instructor!
Sunfish
31st Aug 2019, 22:25
“I’m not paying for this flight!” gold! Well done!
machtuk
31st Aug 2019, 22:36
Give that man a cigar! I feel for the instructor though, that's a career changing event, speedy recover :-)
Slezy9
31st Aug 2019, 23:28
Wow. Great job by all, especially the Air Traffic Controller!! Gotta feel for the student, GF1, dodgy headset and all!
Hope the instructor is ok.
Stationair8
1st Sep 2019, 00:39
So you get to log both dual and some command time.
Hopefully the student logged the VDO time when the instructor became incapacitated, don’t want to be paying dual rates!
Clare Prop
1st Sep 2019, 01:30
Not sure about being the first lesson, I did hear him say he had flown the 172 and the 152 was quite different, also that "My last instructor said I was the best student he'd ever had" so maybe it was his first lesson in a 152?
Anyway very well done to everyone involved and thank goodness for a good result.
Clare Prop
1st Sep 2019, 01:56
Disgraceful that there were no airport personnel around and the emergency services had to wait for them at the EGCP to turn up. Potentially the student could have landed while they were all there waiting at the gate and what good would that have been to anyone if he hadn't done such a good job?
Why pay someone to be there on the busiest training day of the week when you can sting people for massive callout fees.
Saintly
1st Sep 2019, 02:57
So this is the whole conversation between the student pilot and air traffic control https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uhF964qLCPY
Well, I was a little bit emotional when he landed...dead heat between Controller and student as to who deserves highest accolades. Fantastic outcome!
Even better if Robert is ok.
VH DSJ
1st Sep 2019, 04:23
Any videos of the approach and landing? Excellent job by the controller and student! And I hope the instructor is ok too.
Disgraceful that there were no airport personnel around and the emergency services had to wait for them at the EGCP to turn up.
Sorry, but what's the EGCP?
I wonder if QF will offer him a cadetship
Awol57
1st Sep 2019, 04:45
Any videos of the approach and landing? Excellent job by the controller and student! And I hope the instructor is ok too.
Sorry, but what's the EGCP?
Emergency Gate Control Post
Bull at a Gate
1st Sep 2019, 06:04
Concerning his experience I think this is the important part: “Have you ever landed an aircraft before?” “No”.
josephfeatherweight
1st Sep 2019, 06:22
Stunning effort from all concerned - ATCer was top quality, super calm. Best regards to the instructor, hope ok.
For the student pilot, now THAT's a story to tell at the pub!
Okihara
1st Sep 2019, 07:18
Wow! Going solo at 10-15h is scary enough but imagine this with the added time pressure to save someone's life. Truly impressive feat!
Reminds me of this story that happened a few years back in Scotland:
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/466879/John-Wildey-The-hero-passenger-who-landed-a-plane-after-his-pilot-fell-unconscious
TL;DR: The pilot sadly died at the controls and his sole passenger and friend, a 70-something year old chap with no prior flying experience was helped by ATC and an instructor over the radio to land at a nearby airport. End of daylight was also approaching fast.
illusion
1st Sep 2019, 07:20
Good job.
CASA will investigate the student for conducting an unauthorised Angel Flight operation.
Okihara
1st Sep 2019, 08:13
According to ABC, the instructor is now in a stable condition which is great news (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-01/trainee-pilot-makes-emergency-landing-jandakot/11468580).
But what does this event mean for him and his flying career? I imagine that AVMED now won't let him off the hook for a while :uhoh:
BigPapi
1st Sep 2019, 08:23
I'd say in terms of his medical certificate, he's gonna have to fight very hard and very long now to prove his innocence.
NumptyAussie
1st Sep 2019, 10:08
I'd say in terms of his medical certificate, he's gonna have to fight very hard and very long now to prove his innocence.
I don't quite understand what you mean by innocence? Would it be possible to please clarify what you mean? Thank you.
Bend alot
1st Sep 2019, 10:15
Guilty until innocence is proven.
He will now need to prove +100 % he is medically fit and it can NEVER happen again - a bit like getting your virginity back.
Squawk7700
1st Sep 2019, 10:22
Guilty until innocence is proven.
He will now need to prove +100 % he is medically fit and it can NEVER happen again - a bit like getting your virginity back.
It's surprisingly not that hard to get your medical back after heart attacks and bypasses. I know of multiple and it was a lot faster than I would have ever thought possible. It all depends on whether your condition is treatable. On the flip side, I know of someone with a minor condition that doesn't have a treatment plan and his only option is a safety pilot.
If an artery is blocked for example and a stent goes in or a full bypass operation, problem solved, probably get back your medical.
If you've got a condition that causes your heart to go crazy when you have too many coffees and is un-treatable, then you likely aren't getting it back again.
BigPapi
1st Sep 2019, 10:30
I don't quite understand what you mean by innocence? Would it be possible to please clarify what you mean? Thank you.
What bend alot said.
I imagine he's going to have to work very hard to prove that this won't happen again.
josephfeatherweight
1st Sep 2019, 10:34
Squawk7700 - absolutely, and know of similar stories of successful treatments with positive outcomes from AVMED. However, in this case, the guy did pass out at the controls of a small aircraft, whilst acting in the capacity of an instructor. Whilst I wish him no impediment post whatever treatment is deemed necessary, and to those already bashing AVMED, FFS AVMED is supposed to minimise the risk of CPLs passing out at the controls, aren’t they? Those bastards!
patty50
1st Sep 2019, 11:03
According to his LinkedIn he had only been instructing for less than a month after a midlife career change.
Pretty brutal it might be a much shorter and more expensive exercise than he imagined but from today he’s lucky to be alive. Hopefully his condition can be properly treated but at the end of the day these events are the primary reason AVMED exists. You can’t have pilots prone to collapsing mid-flight.
junior.VH-LFA
1st Sep 2019, 11:15
Amazing effort by ATC. Just a classy effort all round.
An aside, I for the life of me can't understand the AVMED bashing at it pertains to this thread.
Capt Fathom
1st Sep 2019, 11:27
If it was a heart issue, it can be sorted out with CASA, eventually. If it was some sort of seizure, or brain related, he will be in for a fight.
muffman
1st Sep 2019, 12:33
Just listened to the ATC recordings. Wow - just wow.
That recording could be held up as a demonstration of rising to the occasion and clear communication. As someone else said, he'd make a great flight instructor. It's easy to forget what a huge skill set the guys and girls in ATC have. A complete professional.
VH-MLE
1st Sep 2019, 13:25
I was wondering whether a flight instructor might have been seconded to the Tower to assist in communications with the pilot?
I believe the controller holds a pilot licence and there was an instructor present. Couldn't have hoped for a better outcome really.
Sunfish
1st Sep 2019, 21:13
The controller is a gem. There was an instructor present who talked once or twice to the student but the controller did most of it.
Okihara
1st Sep 2019, 21:26
A couple of points regarding the audio recording:
1. Communication is key: The student pilot luckily spoke and understood English natively which is not always the case with student pilots who start their flight training in Australia. He also had some prior knowledge of flying and associated lingo, and he could orientate himself around Jandakot*, all of which helped him understand the controller. By his own account, he tuned in TWR frequency by himself. I surmise that the clear communication was a calming factor to both himself and the controller.
2. It's surprising to hear all these other calls while an emergency is unfolding.
* Just imagine the same situation at Moorabbin:
TWR: Can you see GMH on your right side?
Student: !!?
Tarq57
1st Sep 2019, 23:28
....
2. It's surprising to hear all these other calls while an emergency is unfolding....
The bit I listened to was, I believe, full of calls on another frequency, maybe more than one other frequency. I guess they were using a scanner of some kind and it recorded everything.
Squawk7700
1st Sep 2019, 23:58
It was clear that the ATC was a better communicator in that situation so I was glad to hear that he ended up taking over from the instructor.
Off-Air, we’ll keep him up there for an hour whilst we get in every known emergency service and the flying doctors and anyone that can come!
VH-MLE
2nd Sep 2019, 00:39
Listening to audio extracts of the student, I smell somewhat of a rat here, mainly based on his supposed previous experience...
flyinkiwi
2nd Sep 2019, 01:03
It was clear that the ATC was a better communicator in that situation so I was glad to hear that he ended up taking over from the instructor.
Apparently the US Navy want to offer him a job as a LSO ;)
I smell somewhat of a rat here, mainly based on his supposed previous experience...
All will be revealed in the ATSB report.
Squawk7700
2nd Sep 2019, 01:40
Listening to audio extracts of the student, I smell somewhat of a rat here, mainly based on his supposed previous experience...
It was not his first lesson however that didn’t stop the media from reporting that.
VH-MLE
2nd Sep 2019, 01:51
According to the boss - he'd had 1 previous lesson in a C172...
Clare Prop
2nd Sep 2019, 02:22
Yes he said on the tapes that he had flown a 172 before.
Cloudee
2nd Sep 2019, 03:04
Listening to audio extracts of the student, I smell somewhat of a rat here, mainly based on his supposed previous experience...
There was a selfie photo of him in an aircraft with a white pilot shirt complete with epaulette decoration on the ABC news. I presume this photo was not taken on his latest flight.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-01/trainee-pilot-makes-emergency-landing-jandakot/11468580
Hsveight
2nd Sep 2019, 03:19
I think we’re it sounds like he says “this is my first lesson” he actually says “this is my third lesson”. Then he later says he’s flown a 172 but hasn’t landed it.
theres also video of the landing on one of the news sites.
rjtjrt
2nd Sep 2019, 03:36
I think we’re it sounds like he says “this is my first lesson” he actually says “this is my third lesson”. Then he later says he’s flown a 172 but hasn’t landed it.
theres also video of the landing on one of the news sites.
This news report has a video of the landing (at bottom of report). Actual landing at 1:06 on video.
https://7news.com.au/travel/air-aviation/flight-emergency-as-panicked-student-forced-to-land-solo-after-instructors-medical-episode-c-430646?fbclid=IwAR1TCdppjmQ5UTmmxkqoFeOBJPa-uCFQkl5w0KG0_EZfS53HNZSmfGdT5xE
Very good landing.
BigPapi
2nd Sep 2019, 03:43
7 news also reporting that the emergency took place 20,000ft above the ground! Wow, that's a high performance 152!!
Okihara
2nd Sep 2019, 04:08
7 news also reporting that the emergency took place 20,000ft above the ground! Wow, that's a high performance 152!!
Heaps of fun :D
I also love it when the media call it "tarmac".
Manubada
2nd Sep 2019, 04:15
Kudos due all round! Great effort by student AND ATC Officer.
Bull at a Gate
2nd Sep 2019, 05:29
Smell a rat? What? He poisoned his instructor so he could get some publicity?
Desert Flower
2nd Sep 2019, 05:40
Can't be his first solo if there's an instructor in the cockpit with him!
DF.
VH-MLE
2nd Sep 2019, 06:17
Bull at a Gate. No, I wasn't suggesting anything like that at all! But actually now that you mention it...
It was more some of what he said on the radio that created the seed of doubt for me regarding this being his first or second flight...
cooperplace
2nd Sep 2019, 07:03
The student was probably an aviation geek who'd been practising calls. That would account for his familiarity with some aspects.
RickNRoll
2nd Sep 2019, 07:52
He says he is glad he did his homework. He had never landed a plane before.
Bravo Delta
2nd Sep 2019, 08:31
I smell a rat.
Not good when I’m asking for a pay rise. Got to be a set up.
Icarus2001
2nd Sep 2019, 08:36
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-02/emergency-plane-landing-pilot-credits-study-for-saving-him/11471140
ABC now reporting it was his THIRD lesson. I am still not convinced.
7 news also reporting that the emergency took place 20,000ft above the ground! Wow, that's a high performance 152!!
Yes..and their headline talked about a “panicked” student.
it seems tome he never panicked at any stage.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-02/emergency-plane-landing-pilot-credits-study-for-saving-him/11471140
sms777
2nd Sep 2019, 09:56
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-02/emergency-plane-landing-pilot-credits-study-for-saving-him/11471140
DF.
I think he does qualify for his first solo when his instrructor passes out so he is on his own. He has done a damn good job getting himself and his instructor down safe and by looking at the video.....he has done it before....Up to you experts.
machtuk
2nd Sep 2019, 11:24
It's pretty obvious he's not a complete novice doing something like a TIF but never the less he was calm enough to string it all together -:)
VH-MLE
2nd Sep 2019, 11:38
Geoffrey, are you listening/reading?
Saintly
2nd Sep 2019, 12:40
Just glad all ended up ok and hope the instructor is ok. Great work from the ATC and the student pilot did a great job.
That's the sort of stuff you see in movies isn't it.
junior.VH-LFA
2nd Sep 2019, 14:20
Pretty clear some of you are severely out of touch with the quality of at home simulators that exist these days, something that a lot of people in aviation have been toying with long before they make it to a flying school. I find it unremarkable in concept that someone with no flying experience could land an aeroplane after a couple of hours on a computer.
Doing it under pressure when you're instructor is leaning on you unconscious is a feat though.
Okihara
2nd Sep 2019, 15:11
– Nervous?
– Yes.
– First time?
– No. I've been nervous before.
james ozzie
2nd Sep 2019, 22:26
It was interesting to hear the ground instructor (Malcolm) cutting off the students request to fly another practise approach. I can remember my own learning days when flying circuits for up to an hour and feeling REALLY tired at the end of that period. I think Malcolm sensed fatigue and stress degrading the flying skills plus the unknown condition of the instructor added up to no further overall benefit in practising.
Good risk management, I thought.
Rodney Rotorslap
2nd Sep 2019, 23:02
An excellent outcome but it was difficult not thinking of this ...
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/454x255/flying_high_d39026b235b4a5014c6a80a83548568eed263727.jpg
Squawk7700
2nd Sep 2019, 23:15
Good risk management, I thought.
Either that or they knew he was running low on fuel :-)
Capt Fathom
3rd Sep 2019, 00:05
Either that or they knew he was running low on fuel :-)
Maybe running out of limelight! :E
cooperplace
3rd Sep 2019, 06:51
Either that or they knew he was running low on fuel :-)
At one point the ground instructor or ATC said it had 4 hrs fuel left, I think. Darn good thing it was a C152, lots of planes are much trickier to land. Student and controller both did a great job.
Thought his landing was equal to the most skilful pilot on his best day. Well done sir. :ok:
Squawk7700
4th Sep 2019, 00:11
His radio work was better than 75% of the students at Moorabbin.
Ascend Charlie
4th Sep 2019, 03:14
"How he survived is a miracle!"
"Oh, so Howie survived?"
"No, we lost Howie..."
"Over Macho Grande?"
"No, I don't think I'll ever get over Macho Grande..."
zanthrus
4th Sep 2019, 07:16
AC that quote is comedy GOLD! 😂
Okihara
4th Sep 2019, 11:45
His radio work was better than 75% of the students at Moorabbin.
Likewise for ATC.
Fantome
11th Sep 2019, 21:42
any info as to what it was incapacitated the PIC?
WanderingJack
1st Oct 2019, 12:19
Media update tonight the PIC has just had surgery for a benign brain tumour, which has put an end to his flying days, but at least he's OK. Guess it could have been worse if the student pilot, with expert guidance from the instructor in the tower, didn't accomplish the safe landing. Sorry can't post url but if you google 9news it's there complete with video footage.
Rated De
1st Oct 2019, 21:50
"How he survived is a miracle!"
"Oh, so Howie survived?"
"No, we lost Howie..."
"Over Macho Grande?"
"No, I don't think I'll ever get over Macho Grande..."
Brilliant..
Squawk7700
2nd Oct 2019, 05:17
Poor fellow had a brain tumor.
Was bleeding from the mouth. Ouch!
https://www.9news.com.au/national/student-landed-plane-after-pilot-passed-out-a-current-affair/fb99382e-3980-4229-9ca0-c21b5916b713
Lead Balloon
2nd Oct 2019, 05:39
Just goes to show you what medical certificates mean: very little.
Lots of holders of class 1 medicals suffer sudden incapacitation as a consequence of medical conditions.