possible major delay on monday 5/8

[hyg]

There WILL be a city-cross strike on Monday, Local ATC has indicated the possibility of that on local forums, cabin crew sickout likely to happen again like in June when over thousands of them called in sick on one day... 85% of MTR drivers jointly signed a petition if there was no response from the company re Yuen Long incident then escalation is likely... Civil Servants are having a 'get together' in a couple of days to demand response..... Bus drivers are going to drive nice and slow for the day..... Medical staff including allied health staff have indicated the possibility of strike/sickout as well

HKCTU, of which the AOA is a member, has indicated 26 membership unions will participate on Monday..... the local internet forums have voiced their need of the support from pilots in this, just the locals aren't going to make HK come to a grinding halt.....

[Arfur Dent]

One pilot has been arrested according to UK News. Not sure if the pilot is CX - didn't say.

[hei yu]

CX pilot according to SCMP

[SandwichOfficer]

CX pilot according to SCMP

the only pilot at Cathay willing to stand up for his(her) rights

[SuzieWong]

Recommend you brush up on your TIBA procedures.

[GMEDX]

TIBA Suzie?

[cxorcist]

How come nobody wants to address the PLA troops massing at the border? I’m not saying they are coming as it’s very likely intended to intimidate, but this is a BIG deal. HK could very well be the next Tiananmen Square sooner or later. Ostrich Syndrome?

[Threethirty]

Nothings going to happen, it’s all fear mongering. There’s already PLA troops stationed in Hong Kong and they haven’t batted an eyelid.
Give it 2 months and once the kids have gone back to university it’ll be back to normal. As usual a storm in a teacup.

[Tembani]

the only pilot at Cathay willing to stand up for his(her) rights
This little arsehole apparently threw acid and concrete at the cops. Should get get his just rewards....like 10 years free board and lodging in a PLA accommodation establishment.

[hyg]

This little arsehole apparently threw acid and concrete at the cops. Should get get his just rewards....like 10 years free board and lodging in a PLA accommodation establishment.
weren't you throwing flames at the police too?

[mngmt mole]

Tembani. Why don't you just wait for the FACTS to come out first, you vicious little :mad:. Or shall we just immediately believe what this oh so credible government tells us?

[Hugo Peroni the V]

Time for the Hong Kong pilot community do the right thing! Tomorrow we will see the true nature of the pilots that choose to make Hong Kong home. Sadly, most will just do their best to help work through tomorrow rather than stand shoulder to shoulder as we should.

Tembani. Why don't you just wait for the FACTS to come out first, you vicious little :mad:. Or shall we just immediately believe what this oh so credible government tells us?

[TurningFinalRWY36]

What do you suppose we do. We have no guidance from union. Politically motivated strikes give you absolutely no protection. They only estimated 14000 will actually strike. I know people that have been given a day off tomorrow by their bosses. I don't think we have been afforded that luxury and it is hardly strike action when your boss says it's ok.

[Hugo Peroni the V]

How do you manage to choose which pants to put on without being told by the AOA? That must be a daily challenge. Stop hiding behind the union and decide for yourself.

[hyg]

How do you manage to choose which pants to put on without being told by the AOA? That must be a daily challenge. Stop hiding behind the union and decide for yourself.

I think ATC and the company decided for him..... almost 80 flts canx between cx and ka

[Air Profit]

What do you suppose we do. We have no guidance from union. Politically motivated strikes give you absolutely no protection. They only estimated 14000 will actually strike. I know people that have been given a day off tomorrow by their bosses. I don't think we have been afforded that luxury and it is hardly strike action when your boss says it's ok.

Is it really so difficult to simply call in sick for the day? Or do you need your "mommy" (AOA) to hold your hand?

[TurningFinalRWY36]

calling in sick is not the same as striking, they are fundamentally different with different consequences

[Dan Winterland]

The Trade's Union Ordinance defines a strike as stoppage of work because of a grievance with one's employer. No mention of a grievance with the Government. Anyone taking the day off without a sick note is opening themselves up for disciplinary action.

[OK4Wire]

Seriously, Dan?

Allow me to draft a piece of legislation that will cover you for absence whilst undertaking a revolution. I wonder if the Tea Partiers got a sick note?

Thomas Jefferson: “Where the people fear the government, you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.”

[hyg]

wow this just gets better, CAAC banning any CX crew who support the protest to even over fly.....

[Paul852]

wow this just gets better, CAAC banning any CX crew who support the protest to even over fly.....

I sincerely hope that all the CX/KA crew here will take this as a clear indication that China is not a safe place to fly to, or even over, and will decline to take such duties. We now see the Chinese "Rule By Law" in action, and that is EXACTLY what the current protests are about. Now if China takes exception to any member of your crew because they have joined a protest then you can be forced (perhaps even shot) down because they have offended the feelings of the motherland.

[anxiao]

From the BBC website

<China's Civil Aviation Administration (CAAC) on Friday ordered the Hong Kong-based airline Cathay Pacific to suspend all crew members deemed to have participated in the protests in Hong Kong.

The CAAC told Cathay to submit all crew members' details to its officials for inspection and approval before flights were allowed to fly into or over mainland China airspace.>

Just in case any of the new recruits were any doubt as to who runs the airline of their choice...

Mind you there is nothing new to this, they’ve had copies of the GDs for every flight to China, this just adds in the overflights.

Might be worth a new thread if someone can start one

[Slasher1]

That’s the way a hard core commie works

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/8c4dd765-bc39-420b-a452-d11ee66a6660

[Krone]

For crew overnighting in Beijing this year, its been mandatory to have your photo and finger prints taken. The facial photo will no doubt go straight onto the central government’s facial recognition database.

it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that HK Police are
taking huge amounts of 4K video and HD photos of demonstrators, wether they are engaged in peaceful protest or otherwise.

It will only be a matter of time, if not already the case, that these images will find themselves on the china national image database, allowing anyone who has been photographed to be potentially pulled out and questioned based on facial recognition software matches.

Yesterdays announcement indicates that HK crew will receive extra scrutiny when entering china.

Where will it end? If a crew member is watching a peaceful protest in Wanch Chai amble past the coffee shop they are sitting outside of, it’s conceivable they could be photographed and that image finds itself onto the central data base. Happy times.

[Air Profit]

F*** China. Couldn't care less at this point. Ban me....oooohhh, i'm so scared. Honestly, if I never flew to Beijing or Shanghai again it would be too soon.

[Shag Nasty]

It is for overflights as well.....don’t you fly to Europe?

[quadspeed]

F*** China. Couldn't care less at this point. Ban me....oooohhh, i'm so scared.

Being able to operate into (or over) China) is part of your contract, Darling. If you couldn't care less (about getting fired), then leave now and get happy.

[CyberT]

Yet another FH thread descends into farce. BA are planning a strike and you lot are having cat fights on PPRUNE.
CX is really truly f*******

[SeaArrrrrrJay]

Ban me....oooohhh, i'm so scared.

The fear is not so much of being banned from entry.
It's that they'll let in a crew member, and then when they show up at Shanghai or Beijing immigration to operate back to HKG, they are flagged because the facial recognition database came up with a hit of them participating/watching/in the vicinity of a protest. Then they'll be led away by airport police and just disappear into the gulag. CX will likely just call in a reserve, and the flight will operate, with some delay. It'd be a little ironic though, considering the original reason for the protests..

[anxiao]

Interesting that a recent KA crew in Shanghai on a turnaround were met by police security who asked for all their phones. They then inserted a device to the phone, which is known to download a tracking and reporting software into the phone.

This device has been reported recently by private citizens and by foreign journalists, (NYT passim), particularly those visiting Uighur areas. It is believed this is the first time that it has been installed on a foreign aircrew’s phone

One cabin crew member initially refused to allow the software installation but was threatened with being taken off the aircraft, so relented.

So if you must take a phone on a mainland turnaround, take a burner 😳

[FreemaninHK]

Or don't call..

Sick calls for all the China flights in protest to Slosar's in the public confrence saying 'he's not going to tell the employee's what to think" on one hand..
and then advising everyone to fully comply.Record about face even for a Swire Prince.

Don't worry gent's.. FAU will fight for you on this one too.

[Air Profit]

Chinese bureaucrats demonstrating just how weak and frightened they really are. A bunch of university students with umbrellas and they roll out the entire dystopian and tyrannical tool set. Eventually their edifice will fall...

[Tembani]

Hey, Mnmgt Mole. What do you say now, F*#@ F#*=.

August 10, 2019 / 8:30 AM / Updated an hour agoCathay Pacific suspends pilot arrested in Hong Kong protestsBEIJING (Reuters) - Hong Kong flag carrier Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd (0293.HK (https://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=0293.HK)) said on Saturday it had suspended a pilot arrested during anti-government protests in Hong Kong and that “overly radical” staff would be barred from crewing flights to the mainland.

The move followed China’s aviation regulator demanding the airline prevent staff involved in some of the protests in Hong Kong from operating flights to China, describing it as a safety issue.

The broadside poses a major commercial challenge to Cathay, which already reported tumbling bookings last week as a result of the anti-government protests gripping Hong Kong.

The airline said on Saturday in response to customer queries that the pilot had been removed from duties on July 30 “in line with our standard process” and had not flown since July 15.

“We express no view whatsoever on the subject matter of any proceedings to which he may be subject,” the company added in a statement.

For the past two months Hong Kong has been embroiled in increasingly violent anti-government street protests, which a Chinese official described last week as the greatest crisis since its return from British to Chinese rule in 1997.

The Cathay pilot, whom the company did not name, was among over 40 people charged with rioting, during clashes with police near Beijing’s main representative office in the city.

In a separate memo on Saturday, Cathay Pacific CEO Rupert Hogg told staff that in order to comply with the new regulatory demands it would not allow any crew supporting protests in Hong Kong to staff flights to the mainland from midnight on Aug. 10.

“Cathay Pacific Group employees who support or take part in illegal protests, violent actions, or overly radical behavior shall be immediately suspended from any activity involving flights to the mainland,” he said.

The memo added that the airline would submit identification details of all crews flying to or over mainland China to authorities there for approval.

“Cathay Pacific Group’s operations in mainland China are key to our business,” he said

[Air Profit]

Hmmm, didn't see this coming. So, in the space of one week, we now have a previous Chief Executive threatening the airline, and on top of that, the Chinese CAD effectively putting CX on notice and now social media in China calling for a boycott of the airline. On top of every other reason to believe CX was no longer a career airline, we now have the long suspected existential crisis staring us in the face. If you aren't making plans to get out now, well...what more are you waiting for. CX is finished.

[Shot Nancy]

"China CAD". I guess you are from Blighty.
Try the Civil Aviation Administration of China or CAAC.
You're welcome.

[Air Profit]

Yup, vital point. Glad you are focusing on the important. Cheers.

[Roy De Kantzow]

Yes, vitally important to pay respect to the Chinese by calling their Authority the correct name.

Yet another example of a pilot with a firm grasp of totally irrelevant points.

What is it about this profession that attracts people with such outlooks?

[mngmt mole]

Hey, Mnmgt Mole. What do you say now, F*#@ F#*=.

August 10, 2019 / 8:30 AM / Updated an hour agoCathay Pacific suspends pilot arrested in Hong Kong protestsBEIJING (Reuters) - Hong Kong flag carrier Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd (0293.HK (https://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=0293.HK)) said on Saturday it had suspended a pilot arrested during anti-government protests in Hong Kong and that “overly radical” staff would be barred from crewing flights to the mainland.

The move followed China’s aviation regulator demanding the airline prevent staff involved in some of the protests in Hong Kong from operating flights to China, describing it as a safety issue.

The broadside poses a major commercial challenge to Cathay, which already reported tumbling bookings last week as a result of the anti-government protests gripping Hong Kong.

The airline said on Saturday in response to customer queries that the pilot had been removed from duties on July 30 “in line with our standard process” and had not flown since July 15.

“We express no view whatsoever on the subject matter of any proceedings to which he may be subject,” the company added in a statement.

For the past two months Hong Kong has been embroiled in increasingly violent anti-government street protests, which a Chinese official described last week as the greatest crisis since its return from British to Chinese rule in 1997.

The Cathay pilot, whom the company did not name, was among over 40 people charged with rioting, during clashes with police near Beijing’s main representative office in the city.

In a separate memo on Saturday, Cathay Pacific CEO Rupert Hogg told staff that in order to comply with the new regulatory demands it would not allow any crew supporting protests in Hong Kong to staff flights to the mainland from midnight on Aug. 10.

“Cathay Pacific Group employees who support or take part in illegal protests, violent actions, or overly radical behavior shall be immediately suspended from any activity involving flights to the mainland,” he said.

The memo added that the airline would submit identification details of all crews flying to or over mainland China to authorities there for approval.

“Cathay Pacific Group’s operations in mainland China are key to our business,” he said

What's your point little man? Still doesn't make him guilty of anything. Or do you just simply accept the decision of the mainland govt and the HK govt as to someones guilt or innocence. He's still entitled to "innocent until PROVEN guilty", or do you just want to buy into the mainlands legal system (something that the HK Govt seems to be eager to adopt). Pathetic.

[DropKnee]

Glad I escaped that show you guys all love. Yoir doomed and you don’t even know it. Anyone talking otherwise is the neighbor who thinks they won’t come for me.
Get the hell out!!