Red 2 and his right glove...

[Nige321]

Any thoughts?
Keep it clean...!

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[AnglianAV8R]

1/ Touchscreen GPS moving map ?

2/ Picking your nose on boring transit between displays ?

[Meester proach]

Those defence cuts are really biting now .

[Lima Juliet]

Touch screen - we’re still waiting for gloves that work with touchscreens (or the ability to use some special paint in stuff).

[Bob Viking]

LJ

I hear what you’re saying but my jazzy white, RAF flying gloves work just fine with my iPhone.

I haven't flown a Hawk T1 for a few years. Does the Skymap GPS have touch screen? I can’t remember.

BV

[SASless]

Red 2 an American Exchange pilot by chance?

[Wensleydale]

Those gloves are worn when flying down the Mach Loop....

[99 Change Hands]

Rod Leigh, of blessed memory, always called them 'Saturday night' gloves.

[Sloppy Link]

Touch screen - we’re still waiting for gloves that work with touchscreens (or the ability to use some special paint in stuff).
They're out there....problem is they are all designed to keep your hands warm when skiing/motorcycling/walking the dog in winter etc opposed to soak sweat, maintain grip and offer an element of fire protection. There is a fluid you can paint on, sort of works but needs constant reapplication, a thread that can be sewn in to the fingertip, single hole punch in finger tip or, as shown, snip the finger off. I've tried all the above, the added problem is with a gloved finger, the lack of accuracy on the touch screen further frustrates, I have seen on fleabay a pair of the US style gloves with a different pad at the fingertips that claim to be compatible, dunno how effective they are....and they're from New Delhi/Bejing/Lagos or similar. so am a little suspicious.

[Percy Cute]

It's 'on trend' obviously.

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[BEagle]

The old white flying gloves were pretty robust, as I recall.

Except for the time that some procurement idiot thought that the leather of 'Cape Leather' gloves came from nasty apartheid Seth Efrikan Cape of Good Hope animals. Or perhaps from bits snipped off prisoners in Robben Island jails by those nice BOSS people. That would never do - HM's procurement buying stuff from that regime...:rolleyes:

So instead we started getting pale grey gloves made from who knows what. Etruscan goat scrotums or something - they didn't last 5 minutes before ripping. Fortunately sanity soon prevailed and we went back to the original supplier!

[Runaway Gun]

Keep it clean? That's why he's got that finger free.

[Tashengurt]

Perhaps for the benefit of 777fly?

[Stratnumberone]

I used the USAF version of the aforementioned ‘iPad able’ flight gloves. They were OK but I found them a little cumbersome. A good number of my USAF colleagues snip the fingers off their flying gloves in order to allow easier manipulation of the EFB devices.

[drustsonoferp]

I thought special paint for finger application was trialled 2 years ago, and Commodities were on the cusp of procuring new gloves with touchscreen compatible finger tips in the same period.

[Cornish Jack]

Beagle's glove memories were preceded by a similar 'bean counter's' cost-saving with the introduction of the first aircrew shirts - made by Van Heusen and excellent quality. Said B-C cast around for a cheaper alternative and the contract went to Faulats of Belfast **who they?). Their product lasted until first wash - shrinkage rate was horrendous. Ultimate nonsense was one of my replacements which had been made up from two different cloths and generated differential shrinkage rates!:{ I suspect that the originating genius woulkd have received his 'O' , or better!:ugh:

[BEagle]

The soft blue aircrew shirts were really excellent. Then came those vile olive green roll-neck things, which shrunk like crazy and were very uncomfortable.

No wonder that most squadrons later adopted their own cotton squadron T-shirts. Smart and comfortable!

[eastern wiseguy]

Beagle's glove memories were preceded by a similar 'bean counter's' cost-saving with the introduction of the first aircrew shirts - made by Van Heusen and excellent quality. Said B-C cast around for a cheaper alternative and the contract went to Faulats of Belfast **who they?). Their product lasted until first wash - shrinkage rate was horrendous. Ultimate nonsense was one of my replacements which had been made up from two different cloths and generated differential shrinkage rates!:{ I suspect that the originating genius woulkd have received his 'O' , or better!:ugh:

My aunt and mother both worked for Faulat in Belfast....I can't vouch for the quality of the shirts but they did have a cracking pipe band...thread drift off.

[Wensleydale]

Crewroom gossip used to tell of a time long ago at Ballykelly (?) before the troubles in NI, and the liaison between Shackleton crews and the ladies who made shirts for the RAF in the factory just down the road. The RAF chaps had a competition at the local dance hall to dance with ladies who made different parts of the shirt - once they had danced with the makers of the components of a full garment then the cry of "shirt" would be heard from the dance floor. However, there were also female shouts of "crew" as the competition worked both ways.

[OK4Wire]

It's 'on trend' obviously.

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Most of us in dark blue would do the same. Trying to free yourself from your sinking parachute harness with wet and slippery gloves was not a pretty prospect. Having one or two "grippy" fingertips would help enormously.

[orca]

The USN harness uses Koch Fittings that would be very hard indeed to release with fully gloved hands.

[KiloB]

Crewroom gossip used to tell of a time long ago at Ballykelly (?) before the troubles in NI, and the liaison between Shackleton crews and the ladies who made shirts for the RAF in the factory just down the road. The RAF chaps had a competition at the local dance hall to dance with ladies who made different parts of the shirt - once they had danced with the makers of the components of a full garment then the cry of "shirt" would be heard from the dance floor. However, there were also female shouts of "crew" as the competition worked both ways.

You did mean ‘dance’ didn’t you? It wasn’t a euphemism?

[phil9560]

If he's under 30 he's probably texting as he flies :) :D

[BEagle]

orca wrote: The USN harness uses Koch Fittings that would be very hard indeed to release with fully gloved hands.

Which is why we practised releasing the Koch fasteners both when being dragged across the grass at AMTC North Luffenham and in the oggin at SCSR Mountbatten during pre-OCU courses. Our fasteners also had a pin to be released before the finger-biting Koch fasteners could be opened.

[Dominator2]

Which is why we practised releasing the Koch fasteners both when being dragged across the grass at AMTC North Luffenham and in the oggin at SCSR Mountbatten during pre-OCU courses. Our fasteners also had a pin to be released before the finger-biting Koch fasteners could be opened.

Don't forget that some of us wore Immersion Gloves as well. Difficult to release Koch fasteners but would be near impossible to operate touch screens or computer pads. What do RAF fast jet pilots wear when flying over very cold oceans these days?

[sycamore]

Seem to remember an A-10 Pilot drowned in the N Sea in very strong winds as he couldn`t undo the fasteners ,and his parachute didn`t have `spillage pockets` to collapse it....

[charliegolf]

Seem to remember an A-10 Pilot drowned in the N Sea in very strong winds as he couldn`t undo the fasteners ,and his parachute didn`t have `spillage pockets` to collapse it....

IIRC, it clamed the winchman's life too.

CG

[Wwyvern]

In my microlighting days, the radio and nav switches all seemed to be teeny weeny. Normal flying gloves didn't permit accurate selection, and I used cyclists' fingerless gloves. Naked fingers could feel and operate the switches satisfactorily and the material of the gloves at the palm enabled good grip of the control stick and throttle.

I first saw the use of these gloves about 30 years ago by an Indonesian pilot of a Bell 214 with miniaturised radios etc.

[PPRuNeUser0211]

Don't forget that some of us wore Immersion Gloves as well. Difficult to release Koch fasteners but would be near impossible to operate touch screens or computer pads. What do RAF fast jet pilots wear when flying over very cold oceans these days?

I'd say if you procured a tablet that didn't have a "glove compatible screen" you failed at the first hurdle. Many systems are fine with gloves, just not iPads!

[lsh]

IIRC, it clamed the winchman's life too.

CG

Dave Bullock.
https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1980/1980%20-%203622.PDF

A terrible report to read.

lsh

[Trumpet trousers]

IIRC as a direct result of this tragedy, J knives were added to SAR winchmen’s items of equipment

[charliegolf]

LSH: noted.

CG

[reds & greens]

At least with the correct finger exposed, the pilot can give the enthusiastic 'Salute' to that sad team of spotters as he flies inverted through Cad in the loop...

[ORAC]

What can be done. Demonstrates why SpaceX build almost all their rockets and other equipment in house.

Large multi-screen touch displays, iPad remote back-up. Look at the smooth wall panels compared to the earlier Apollo/Soyuz capsules.

https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-crew-dragon-nasa-astronauts-spacesuit-rehearsal/

On Thursday, an official NASA Astronaut account tweeted that SpaceX’s first two Commercial Crew astronauts had recently completed a dress rehearsal test of the spacesuits that they will wear during Crew Dragon’s inaugural crewed launch to the ISS. Bob Behnken and Doug Hurley participated in a full “suit-up & leak checks” rehearsal with their iconic SpaceX-built suits and the same Ground Support Equipment (GSE) hardware that will be used during Demo-2. This dress rehearsal also serves to familiarize the SpaceX and NASA ground support crew with the astronaut suit-up process, and multiple technicians and flight engineers are visible in the background.

The new spacesuits made their press debut (https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-crew-dragon-simulator-spacesuit-gallery/)last summer at a media event held at SpaceX headquarters in Hawthorne, California. Not only are they uniquely beautiful and modernist, but SpaceX’s spacesuits are also designed first and foremost with functionality in mind. SpaceX hired its own team of seamstresses and focused heavily on integrating 3D printing into suit production, resulting in an end-product that is simultaneously strikingly minimalistic and extremely usable. For example, the helmets Behnken and Hurley are seen wearing use 3D printing to integrate extremely complex life support systems, a built-in microphone and speaker communications array, a seamless multi-hinged visor, and more.

The suits are also designed to allow for easy maneuverability and a seamless user experience within the Dragon capsule. The attached gloves of the suit use conductive leather to allow the astronauts to interact with the Crew Dragon’s primary controls, a set of large touchscreens. Apple iPads will additionally be mounted directly on the thighs of the astronauts to serve as an even more convenient (and redundant) method of interfacing with Dragon’s controls, among other things........


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[Stitchbitch]

And they have a an ex-RAF squipper in the team. Go Space-X!

[Tashengurt]

And they have a an ex-RAF squipper in the team. Go Space-X!

Who's that then?

[mopardave]

At least with the correct finger exposed, the pilot can give the enthusiastic 'Salute' to that sad team of spotters as he flies inverted through Cad in the loop...

"sad team of spotters"....what an arrogant remark.....I'm embarrassed for you!

[reds & greens]

"sad team of spotters"....what an arrogant remark.....I'm embarrassed for you!

Thank you, - I'm not !