Simulator

[Phlaps 40]

Hi,
Does anyone know what weight the Classic sim is set to for the ride in the 2nd interview? Many thanks.

Phlaps 40

[Bengwa Pilot]

Bout 270 - 290 Tonnes "I think"

David Clegg Ex Qantas runs an excellent Simulator preperation course for the Cathay Sim Ride.

You do the whole CX profile twice over with a before and after brief.

You would be wasting your time going there to Hong Kong with out doing some sought of simulator preperation.

Best Regards

Bengwa

[shortly]

The weight is 270 tonnes, V2 153 and Vref 146. None of these figures are particularly necessary to memorise. Just really study the brief you are given and analyse from that what you would want pilots to remember and remember them yourself. Certainly a practice in a 747 sim is a help (usually) the Oz trainer is passing on a bit of duff gen though so be careful - stick to the script given no matter what anybody says.

[Cpt. Underpants]

I would STRONGLY recommend that you stay away from "practice" in a rented 747.

The sim ride is heavily weighted (60%) and is pitched at the level you are initially assessed at. If you practice, you are setting the bar that much higher for yourself to improve as the session progresses. You are expected to show an improvement from beginning to end of the session, so if you start at a high(er) level, the efffects of a slowly levelling curve (as any experienced trainer will tell you) will start to tell.

Don't do it. Do NOT rent time in a sim to "practice". You are making it harder for yourself and wasting your hard-earned money.

NO NO NO and again NO

[shortly]

I agree with Cpt. Nobody is expected to fly like an Ace but improvement through session is paramount. And if you have had a practice it will show even if you don't admit to it.

[FCP]

Cpt. Underpants,

I don't understand your point:
What if I do perfect check from first minute-where is room for progress?
And sim ride is only 30-40 min.

Regards,

FCP-Future Cathay Pilot

[mole]

FCP? Don't think so with an attitude like that.

[BlueEagle]

FCP - as the pilot who can do a perfect SIM ride, (and maintain it for 30-40 minutes), has not been born yet what makes you think you can do it?

Capt. Underpants is spot on, stay right away from practice so that the checker can see positive progress and assess an individuals potential and learning curve.

Try to beat the system and it will end up beating you!:)

[shortly]

FCP, I understand your confusion. But they are correct and a practice in another 747 sim may or may not be a help to you. I suggest if you think it will be then it will be, cos if you don't do it and then bomb out you will wish you had. I don't know what you are flying now, probably really competently - and a heavy big jet is just an aeroplane, but a great big mother with tons of inertia and a couple of other vagaries. If you flew accurately and precisely the same all through the session you would ace it in. But I have never seen that event, actually nearly once and that pilot was a lady and she was employed. The usual form is to start off a bit dicky, the check pilot will then give a few tips and it's back to you to show improvement. The test is quite objective with marks being allocated against obvious things. As with all tests, however, they are never as objective as we wish they could be. I wish you luck there is nothing wrong with a bit of self assurance my friend. You need it in this world.

[Cpt. Underpants]

FCP...

HEED MY ADVICE. I do check-rides ALL THE TIME with the express purpose of assessments.

Check your attitude.

[shortly]

Geez Cpt how can you read so much into so little? The post in question was a question after all, 'What IF I do a perfect sim ride...' Guy didn't say he thought he would. Give the lad a break and pull in your horns, that is unless you really are trying to scare him off.

[FCP]

Cpt. Underpants,

I am accepting your advice and in that sense my question would be:
What if someone does perfect check?

Shortly,767 driver(also some 744 time), 15+ years on heavy jets,and with MS SIM 2002 +747-200 download on PC and some practice , someone can do fine.
Any advice,Sir?

I agree that renting Sim. is waste of money.

Regards,

FCP - Future Cathay Pilot

[ronnie123]

Are the stds same for GA pilots with NO JET time?
For a bloke who see's a 747-200 sim for the first time it can quite a situation.
:confused:

[Cpt. Underpants]

Yes, they are. An assessment is made of your past experience and the standards are set accordingly. The person conducting the simulator assessment is experienced and practiced at it. Do not assume that there is anything haphazard in the methodology.

We do (literally) THOUSANDS of these sim rides, and are able to assess (normally, within minutes) the candidates' past experience.

If you REALLY REALLY want to do some prep, then:

1. Study the profile. Know it off pat. You are given guidelines as to thrust lever angles, EPR settings, etc.
2. Beg/Borrow/Steal a cockpit schematic or one of those poster-style photos and memorize the instrument layout. Know where the EPR and Fuel-Flow guages are. Memorize where the ASI needle should be in various phases of the profile.
3. Revise your 1, 2 and 3 times table. Take out your grade 2 textbooks and swot joined-up writing.

Folks, this is not a 747 sim ride. It is an assessment of your basic instrument flying and handling skills. If you have 747 experience, you will be expected to perform like a 747-qualified pilot. If you fall short of the expected level of proficiency for a 747 qualified pilot, you will be deemed unsuitable. If you start off flying it mediocre, average or well, you will be expected to improve during the session as a validation of your trainability.

Don't buy 747 simulator time. They're taking candy from babes.

[shortly]

That's better Cpt good advice. Study the handout very carefully, especially the profiles and do it as it asks. Don't pfaff about with flap to ten take it early, 15 nm at latest. take 20 flap and gear as per the brief. Looking for instrument flying skills and good basics, power and attitude, change check adjust trim etc. Don't fly on stab trim but do trim. No matter what you think you do not need aileron trim. You will make mistakes but try not to dwell on them.

[Piz Buin]

The Undy is spot on...go "green";)

[FCP]

Cpt. Underpants,

Now I have better understanding in regard of sim.ride.
Please could you explain:

3. Revise your 1, 2 and 3 times table. Take out your grade 2 textbooks and swot joined-up writing.
...............
In the profile there are no guidelines as to thrust lever angles, EPR settings?
Would you be so kind as to share some?


Thank you very much,

FCP
:)

[Cpt. Underpants]

Point 3 was an attempt at humour while showing the simplicity of the whole process, and no, I will not turn this into a briefing for the sim assessment.

One day I intend to start a school that does just that (airline prep). When I do, I will advertise the service and charge a fee. At present, Cathay pay me for my services, and while I have neither the time nor inclination to train outside my regular employment, I am also not allowed to do so, under penalty of dismissal.

With your 767 and "744 time, 15+ years on heavy jets" you should already have a pretty good idea of what's required. If you don't, I suggest you talk to your friends who have the experience.

[moon11]

FCP,
That is exelent idea: which site is good
to download clasic panel?
;)

[FCP]

Cpt. Underpants,
My 767,744 time was an attempt at humor also, intended to squeeze more information from you in regard of sim.ride.
Did I succeed? I don’t know....

:cool:

moon11
try: flightsim.com


FCP-Future Cargolux Pilot

[Cpt. Underpants]

FCP,

Nothing wrong in asking these questions, just don't misrepresent yourself. If you're curious about MS Flight Sim 2000, I am sure there is an appropriate forum on another BBS somewhere. To call yourself a pilot and then reveal that you're an avid PC Flight Sim Buff is the the first step on a road that will have a sticky end. I'm really not impressed.

[mikle88]

I have feeling that cpt.Underpants is not
Cathay pilot at all;)

I think he has PPL,and works part time in
lingerie store.

[BlueEagle]

OK guys and gals, this thread seems to have run its useful life?

Leave it for a bit longer just in case there are any more serious posts.

BlueEagle - Moderator.

[shortly]

Just before you close it BE, could I ask Skippy what he was complaining about with my posts? By the by I sure do have an 'attitude', had it all my life.

[Monty Python]

I've several friends who are flying for CX. Those that hired a sim for a bit of practice & famil were happy they did so. Those that didn't, wished they had. :)

[whistlingdixy]

FCP:

Thrust Lever Angle and EPR settings will be given/demonstrated during the Sim briefing at CX. My friend, they will even let you practise setting powers etc on the rwy before you get going.

Basic IF skills and situational awareness are assessed, for sure, but you are not expected to be a 747 pilot. You are expected to do better on you 2nd ILS than your 1st though, likewise your 2nd steep turn vs you 1st.

You will most likely find that they ask you at your interview "how did you prepare?".... esp the australians "did you use the QF sim?"

The chaps who do it are friendly and professional........ you cant fool them....theyve seen it all.

Good luck....... try to enjoy it and when you make a mistake, suck it in and move on to the next event......thats when they'll watch you the most

[shortly]

WD, I completely agree the most important thing is to try and relax. The guys checking you have been through exactly the same traumatic experience as you are going through. Chill out and let mistakes go. The prize, of working for CX, is worth the candle. I say again, if you feel you want an exposure to a 747 sim before you come up then go for it. Notwithstanding other posts here, it won't hurt your chances and might improve them.

[ronnie123]

Is the sim check on a 747-200 classic or 747-400 with PFD ND ?

[whistlingdixy]

Classic!

Bells, whistles, hamsters, valves, push-pull rods, trim wheels, dials and FE's............ arrrrghhh, those were the days! Makes me weep.

[RYNCLEE]

I seem to remember from my classic days that if you set 1.2 EPR you cant go wrong

[eaglejet]

what would be a good prep for the CX sim ride:

Try to rent a 747 classic sim or

renting a 737-200 sim would be also a good prep to practice the maneuvers

tanx

[Kubota]

Three or four topics down there is an entire thread on exactly this.

Thanks Kubota, I have now merged the threads!

BlueEagle - Moderator.