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plainmaker
11th Apr 2019, 00:49
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/field-to-replace-joyce-narrows-with-qantas-executive-s-shock-departure-20190411-p51d3a.html

Seems a very hurried departure - two weeks including Easter.

Plainmaker

Freehills
11th Apr 2019, 01:52
QF management has been a dog eat dog atmosphere for some time now.

crosscutter
11th Apr 2019, 01:59
QF management has been a dog eat dog atmosphere for some time now.

Isn't that corporate Australia Modus Operandi?

itsnotthatbloodyhard
11th Apr 2019, 02:23
Isn't that corporate Australia Modus Operandi?

Yes, but Alan really doesnít like it when people donít agree with Alan.

mohikan
11th Apr 2019, 02:39
Apparently "Ally" recently presented to Alan and the EXCO detailed analysis of the loss of revenue caused of loss of seats on specific routes after the retirement of the 747 and replacement by 787 capacity.

She specifically highlighted JNB and HND. This presentation was based on work completed by the former head of strategy who was punted under similar circumstances - that is, he was in favour of expanding the Qantas mainline business. As long time followers / sufferers of QF know - having such a position inside the business is tantamount to corporate suicide under the current senior leadership.

Anyhow the overall theme of Ally's proposal was that Qantas needs to order more 787s and go firm or otherwise on the A350-1000 for project sunrise in order to remain competitive and to not give away any more market share to competitors.

This (unfortunately for Ally) goes against Alans overall scheme to 'gaslight' Qantas mainline capacity whilst still quietly growing JQ international and the JQ asian businesses.

As with what happened to Boston Bruce, she has been immediately rissholed from the company. She is already on 'gardening leave' and had her passes and access taken from her on the day she was fired by Alan.

777Nine
11th Apr 2019, 02:39
Yes, but Alan really doesnít like it when people donít agree with Alan.
Most people with egos don't like when you don't agree with them.

hotnhigh
11th Apr 2019, 05:29
Ali.... meet Simon, Lyell, and Jane. There are a few others in the corner you might remember.

dragon man
11th Apr 2019, 05:31
Apparently "Ally" recently presented to Alan and the EXCO detailed analysis of the loss of revenue caused of loss of seats on specific routes after the retirement of the 747 and replacement by 787 capacity.

She specifically highlighted JNB and HND. This presentation was based on work completed by the former head of strategy who was punted under similar circumstances - that is, he was in favour of expanding the Qantas mainline business. As long time followers / sufferers of QF know - having such a position inside the business is tantamount to corporate suicide under the current senior leadership.

Anyhow the overall theme of Ally's proposal was that Qantas needs to order more 787s and go firm or otherwise on the A350-1000 for project sunrise in order to remain competitive and to not give away any more market share to competitors.

This (unfortunately for Ally) goes against Alans overall scheme to 'gaslight' Qantas mainline capacity whilst still quietly growing JQ international and the JQ asian businesses.

As with what happened to Boston Bruce, she has been immediately rissholed from the company. She is already on 'gardening leave' and had her passes and access taken from her on the day she was fired by Alan.

There is more to it than this and I wonít allude any further on here.

ExtraShot
11th Apr 2019, 05:43
There is more to it than this and I wonít allude any further on here.



I should hope thereís more to it. Itíd be utterly heartbreaking to hear that people pushing for an expansion of mainline are being shown the door because it doesnít align with the rest of the execís agenda.

ruprecht
11th Apr 2019, 05:53
There is more to it than this and I wonít allude any further on here.


Then why should we believe you?

Rated De
11th Apr 2019, 05:54
It would appear allegedly telling the truth in a time of company wide deceit, is indeed a revolutionary act.

Mr Goyder ought be asking questions.

dragon man
11th Apr 2019, 05:57
Then why should we believe you?

Dont , itís no skin off my nose.

hotnhigh
11th Apr 2019, 06:07
It would appear allegedly telling the truth in a time of company wide deceit, is indeed a revolutionary act.

Mr Goyder ought be asking questions.

If so, what's the difference to previous cases?
Nothing will change. As per a previous posters response, it will be written off as "something that occurs in the business world all the time".

George Glass
11th Apr 2019, 06:19
Come on Dragon........ You cant leave everybody hanging like that. Spill it.

dragon man
11th Apr 2019, 06:22
Come on Dragon........ You cant leave everybody hanging like that. Spill it.

I would love to but wonít do it here.

ruprecht
11th Apr 2019, 06:22
I know WAY more than dragon man.

I'm not telling either.

PDR1
11th Apr 2019, 08:43
I know WAY less than either of 'em, but I'll only reveal how little I know after dinner and a movie.

PDR

donpizmeov
11th Apr 2019, 09:26
I know WAY less than either of 'em, but I'll only reveal how little I know after dinner and a movie.

PDR
You have changed PDR . Ruprecht will spill the beans after you buy him a cocktail. He will never change :}

ruprecht
11th Apr 2019, 09:34
Ruprecht will spill the beans after you buy him a cocktail. He will never change :}

A cocktail...!?

How dare you!

It’d take at least 2, preferably with an umbrella...:)

bazza stub
11th Apr 2019, 10:23
Dragon man wonít talk means itís open season on wild rumours! Game on 😛

Seriously, I hope this isnít a public execution because someone spoke the truth to her fearless leaders.

T-Vasis
11th Apr 2019, 12:05
She has removed her profile from LinkedIn too...

Arthur D
11th Apr 2019, 12:29
Sooner or later the chickens come home to roost.

There are certain leaders at QF who should take this as an instructive lesson, even including those senior Captains who consider their abhorrent behaviour Ďnormalí.

zanthrus
11th Apr 2019, 13:06
Someone please take out Alan Joyce? He is a pox on aviation in this country.

Bad Adventures
11th Apr 2019, 23:00
Lol, a lot of dick measuring on here about what people supposedly know. Probably 0 facts.

ruprecht
12th Apr 2019, 00:14
Lol, a lot of dick measuring on here about what people supposedly know. Probably 0 facts.

Just for the record, and also according to my kids, I donít actually know anything... :}

knobbycobby
12th Apr 2019, 01:17
I donít think this is correct.
The 787 doesnít fly to either HND or JNB for one. So no issues yet bar LHR that now only has one 787 and an one A380.
Numerous documents provided to the ASX clearly show the 787 as a 747 replacement and one for one.
At a recent dial in Andrew David said that at best they might order another two 787s.
Yes two. But Qantas are being sued by Perth airport as they wonít pay their bill. So no single PER to One European destination and no extra US destination as the ACCC hasnít agreed to the QF/AA enhanced codeshare.
Pilots desperately want to believe expansion but the long entrenched reality is that its shrunk to the size it is. Qantas might see a minor increase at best. Joyce and co happy to limit fleet renewal and spend the money on share buybacks and increasing the share price short term and thus their bonuses tied to the share price. If I could make close to 90 million in bonuses/pay/options over the last 10 years Iíd probably do the same.
The 747s will slowly be replaced one for one by the 787s. Thatís why BNE-LAX-JFK now a 787 not a 747. etc etc.
AD did say that premium yields were off the charts and loads across all LH types very good as capacity was restricted.
Good news is Qantas canít get smaller. And as global pilot pay rises and Qantas piss of their current ones with shit rostering and insulting EAs, unexpected retirements remain on the increase.
doubt that AW left because she was championing Qantas. Meet the Kumars Might even stay as International head.
Gareth will be the front runner for next CEO and heís now in Jetstar before heíll replace Joyce whenever it is he decides heíll go.
I donít think it will be soon.

crosscutter
12th Apr 2019, 01:43
I agree.

Meanwhile this old chestnut must only be days away... ďdue to not knowing jack about where pilots are going to move, especially from the 747, in consultation with AIPA, 🙄 we have decided to delay the 2019/20 training vacancy FSO and subsequent allocation until the flying plan has been confirmed.Ē

the EA means nothing you see

Pearly White
12th Apr 2019, 01:48
I donít think this is correct.
The 787 doesnít fly to either HND or JNB for one. So no issues yet bar LHR that now only has one 787 and an one A380.
Numerous documents provided to the ASX clearly show the 787 as a 747 replacement and one for one.
At a recent dial in Andrew David said that at best they might order another two 787s.
Yes two. But Qantas are being sued by Perth airport as they wonít pay their bill. So no single PER to One European destination and no extra US destination as the ACCC hasnít agreed to the QF/AA enhanced codeshare.
Pilots desperately want to believe expansion but the long entrenched reality is that its shrunk to the size it is. Qantas might see a minor increase at best. Joyce and co happy to limit fleet renewal and spend the money on share buybacks and increasing the share price short term and thus their bonuses tied to the share price. If I could make close to 90 million in bonuses/pay/options over the last 10 years Iíd probably do the same.
The 747s will slowly be replaced one for one by the 787s. Thatís why BNE-LAX-JFK now a 787 not a 747. etc etc.
AD did say that premium yields were off the charts and loads across all LH types very good as capacity was restricted.
Good news is Qantas canít get smaller. And as global pilot pay rises and Qantas piss of their current ones with shit rostering and insulting EAs, unexpected retirements remain on the increase.
doubt that AW left because she was championing Qantas. Meet the Kumars Might even stay as International head.
Gareth will be the front runner for next CEO and heís now in Jetstar before heíll replace Joyce whenever it is he decides heíll go.
I donít think it will be soon.


I don't think anyone said 787s fly to HND or JNB at the moment. Those markets are currently served by 744. She's apparently been fired for pointing out you get less seats SYD-JNB and SYD-HND if you replace a 744 with a 787. Less seats = less $$$ apparently.

Tuner 2
12th Apr 2019, 01:54
we have decided to delay the 2019/20 training vacancy FSO and subsequent allocation until the flying plan has been confirmed.Ē

the EA means nothing you see

Willing to apologise next week if youíre wrong on that?

crosscutter
12th Apr 2019, 01:56
Prepared to apologise next week if you’re wrong on that?


when the allocation is awarded on time...of course

FightDeck
12th Apr 2019, 10:33
You suggesting they are holding off the 787 SYD base slots for the 747 SYD redeployment?
6 747 to go and 6 787 to arrive. Qantas be within their rights to reserve every SYD slot on 787 as redeployment slots for 747 pilots.
Yes the timing could be better however no one plans Aircraft replacements as well as Qantas.
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At least all the retirements will help them.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/boeing-747-jet-ends-service-america-history-aircraft-2017-12

cattletruck
12th Apr 2019, 10:47
I wish someone would spill the beans why she walked.
I reckon it has nothing to do with gate slots or aircraft choices.

wheels_down
12th Apr 2019, 11:36
There are no words

Qantas Boss sacked after throwing Pie at Alan Joyce during heated meeting (https://www.latlmes.com/breaking/qantas-boss-sacked-after-throwing-pie-at-alan-joyce-during-heated-meeting-1)

T-Vasis
12th Apr 2019, 12:26
These level roles would have a min six months notice period. The fact that Alison is leaving so quickly means something has seriously happened...

1a sound asleep
12th Apr 2019, 14:14
She didnt quit as such. Bags were packed and escorted out of the building. Gone already

Servo
13th Apr 2019, 01:42
There are no words

Qantas Boss sacked after throwing Pie at Alan Joyce during heated meeting (https://www.latlmes.com/breaking/qantas-boss-sacked-after-throwing-pie-at-alan-joyce-during-heated-meeting-1)

Son of a Bitch

What The
13th Apr 2019, 02:10
Red hot rumour is that Alan is next and Andrew David not far behind.
Clearing the decks for Gareth.

rep
13th Apr 2019, 02:12
There are no words

Qantas Boss sacked after throwing Pie at Alan Joyce during heated meeting (https://www.latlmes.com/breaking/qantas-boss-sacked-after-throwing-pie-at-alan-joyce-during-heated-meeting-1)
I clicked on it 10 times, and you got me every time.

blow.n.gasket
13th Apr 2019, 02:34
Red hot rumour is that Alan is next and Andrew David not far behind.
Clearing the decks for Gareth.


A case of ď The Queen is dead , long live the King ? ď ???

Qantas 787
13th Apr 2019, 03:59
Red hot rumour is that Alan is next and Andrew David not far behind.
Clearing the decks for Gareth.

I don't believe it but would love it to be true. Gareth is the only one I have time for and actually understands what the airline needs

On AW, I was impressed by her honesty and wouldn't give you a scripted answer. Clearly honesty hurts.

Transition Layer
13th Apr 2019, 05:36
Hopefully Goyder is driving all this change, someone I have a lot of time for

PoppaJo
13th Apr 2019, 06:49
Hopefully Goyder is driving all this change, someone I have a lot of time for
The culture differences between WES/WOW and this mob is nothing short of disturbing.

Such a workforce with such hatred towards and wide executive team wonít sit well with him I can assure you of that!

blow.n.gasket
13th Apr 2019, 07:12
I wonder what Goyder would find if he had an in-depth look at the aircraft leasing arrangements of the subsidiaries and the connections with a certain Asian Bank and a certain individuals Pty Ltd Company.

hotnhigh
14th Apr 2019, 23:04
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/alan-joyce-disciplined-alison-webster-then-she-resigned-20190414-p51e14

Chris2303
15th Apr 2019, 00:10
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/alan-joyce-disciplined-alison-webster-then-she-resigned-20190414-p51e14

This is behind a paywall

dragon man
15th Apr 2019, 02:48
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1369x606/4967ad30_1931_45e3_9390_eea926db5ea8_2484073dc39146b8ec372d9 e070cf925fa243429.jpeg

Ngineer
15th Apr 2019, 03:01
Have heard all sorts of rumours form one extreme to another, from being perplexed, hamstrung and frustrated with fleet/retirements/orders vs routes/capacity, to total left field talk of opinions on Israel Folau. Who knows or who cares?

She has probably made more in her short stint than most staff will see in a lifetime.

B772
15th Apr 2019, 08:15
Been told she was appointed to the position by AJ as she was a female and not the most qualified for the position.

wheels_down
15th Apr 2019, 12:30
Why are there so many managers and executives for all these divisions of the flying?

Whatís wrong with the Virgin setup?, in that one executive overseeing the entire operation rather than splitting it down...this person runs domestic..this person looks after International...this person runs kiwi stuff....

SixDemonBag
15th Apr 2019, 19:54
Why are there so many managers and executives for all these divisions of the flying?

Whatís wrong with the Virgin setup?, in that one executive overseeing the entire operation rather than splitting it down...this person runs domestic..this person looks after International...this person runs kiwi stuff....



itís so when we go back to that setup, someone gets a bonus for thinking of it. Dur.

get with the program

coaldemon
16th Apr 2019, 09:49
And it doesn't work in VA. Watch what happens in the next little while there.

romeocharlie
16th Apr 2019, 10:19
Been told she was appointed to the position by AJ as she was a female and not the most qualified for the position.

Going her on previous experience, was amply qualified. Would've made a great CEO too IMHO.

Ngineer
19th Apr 2019, 00:18
Maybe she was just sick of picking up jet* costs, pax, etc, and the financial burden it was causing her business.

Pretty coincidental that mainline have extra flights and embargoes atm, with whatís going on.

Dee Vee
19th Apr 2019, 03:37
Why are there so many managers and executives for all these divisions of the flying?

Actually I was wondering how Qantas can have so many CEO's. Seems to be one for everything right down to the CEO domestic dustbins.

I don't know of any other company that has more than 1.

Rated De
19th Apr 2019, 05:12
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1369x606/4967ad30_1931_45e3_9390_eea926db5ea8_2484073dc39146b8ec372d9 e070cf925fa243429.jpeg


Ahh Joe Aston, arm in arm with Little Napoleon and Neil Perry on the junket 787 delivery.
Naturally the 'specifics remain hazy' Joe
https://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/episodes/junketing-journalists/9972444?jwsource=cl

JPJP
19th Apr 2019, 06:26
Why are there so many managers and executives for all these divisions of the flying?

They must be trying to create a team ?

ĒHerb felt that tribalism is the opponent of teamwork - ĎA guy said to me the other day; Ďin my departmentí Herb once laughed. And I said ĎOh are you not a part of Southwest Airlines anymore ?Ē

Oh .... Wait.

Wonderworld
19th Apr 2019, 13:57
Ahh Joe Aston, arm in arm with Little Napoleon and Neil Perry on the junket 787 delivery.
Naturally the 'specifics remain hazy' Joe
https://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/episodes/junketing-journalists/9972444?jwsource=cl

he was a ****** when he worked in QF corporate communications.

Rated De
20th Apr 2019, 09:13
he was a ****** when he worked in QF corporate communications.

Likely a key selection criteria.