Wife wants to move to Singapore, I need a job ;-)

[AirbuzHamster]

Hi guys,

wondering if anyone has some info for me regarding DEC jobs in Singapore?

I am currently CPT A320c with easyJet but my wife wants to emigrate. Somehow she is attracted to Singapore, I don’t mind too much. Anywhere warmer climate then Northern Europe is fine for me!!

I was wondering if someone can tell me about DEC jobs with SIA or Scoot/Tiger. Well SIA would be DEFO ofcourse which I would also consider as long if there would be a change to get command back again there.

Also would like to find out about the recruitment processes over there if known :-)!!

[Cool banana]

AeroProfessional are pleased to announce that we are
recruiting A320 Captains & First Officers for Scoot in Singapore. This is
an excellent opportunity offering a competitive package for anyone who is
keen to relocate to Singapore and is looking for a new challenge.

The
requirements set by Scoot are as follows;

Captain
- Total Flight Time =
3500+
- 1000 PIC on multi-engine jet or Turbine with a MTOW of 50,000kg or
more
- Minimum 500 PIC on A320

First Officer
- Total Flight Time =
1500+
- Minimum of 1000 hours on civil registered transport aircraft
certified for multi-crew operation & minimum of 500 hours on A320


Should this be something that interests you, don’t hesitate to give
me a call on +44 1252 750 400 (tel:+44%201252%20750%20400) to discuss this further.

I look forward to
hearing your thoughts.


Kind regards,
George
Henson
Resourcer

[booze]

Don't mate, you'll regret it. I'm busy beating my head in the wall for choosing WOW Air over Ezy two years ago...

[B772]

A DEC on the A320 would be available with Jetstar in Singapore. Another option would be Royal Brunei in Bandar Seri Begawan 2 hours east of Singapore and could lead to a B787 opportunity.
Good luck,
Ron

[jetjockey696]

there is BAMBOO AIRWAYS in Vietnam..

[dogsfatass]

I'd seriously suggest some thorough research on the cost of living in Singapore, and how the hell you are supposed to manage it on a contract salary. If it is just the two of you and you'd like to live in a small apartment, you may be able to make it work but you won't retire on much. If it is a family of 4 and 2 kids that need school, you will struggle to make ends meet with any reasonable quality of life, and you will retire on nothing. We left for this very fact.

[streetguy]

I'd seriously suggest some thorough research on the cost of living in Singapore, and how the hell you are supposed to manage it on a contract salary. If it is just the two of you and you'd like to live in a small apartment, you may be able to make it work but you won't retire on much. If it is a family of 4 and 2 kids that need school, you will struggle to make ends meet with any reasonable quality of life, and you will retire on nothing. We left for this very fact.

Please seriously consider what dogsfatass has described. His reasonings are valid and accurate.

And if you are seriously want a better life please re-consider what your wife wants ( i.e to be in Singapore).

Coming to Singapore for holidays and living in Singapore is two different things. If u are seriously considering the latter please do the math for the cost livings before coming over.

And finally, whatever you do, joining SCOOT Tigerair will be the LAST thing u want to do, IF u want to look for a "greener" pasture. You will be too tired to do anything if u join this gig, not to mention the below average salary that is offered. To top it all off, working conditions and environment in this gig, is by far one of the worst in the market.

I am confident u will find something better.

[FlyingChipmunk]

Low pay, hard work, high cost, unhappy wife. Forget kids, they are a liability.

[Stilllearning1234]

I'd seriously suggest some thorough research on the cost of living in Singapore, and how the hell you are supposed to manage it on a contract salary. If it is just the two of you and you'd like to live in a small apartment, you may be able to make it work but you won't retire on much. If it is a family of 4 and 2 kids that need school, you will struggle to make ends meet with any reasonable quality of life, and you will retire on nothing. We left for this very fact.

dogfatass, really hit the nail, with the statement. Took the whole family there and moved out there after 6yrs had nothing to show for. Accept came close to a divorce....

[AirbuzHamster]

Wauw guys! Thanks for all that!
any suggestions where to go them if want to move somewhere exotic?
i know i might be spoiled with a job over here but we are so extremely fed up with *** (somewhere in europe). Taxes, ****ty weather, ****ty stressed people, etc ;-) !!!!

[The Range]

I would take a look at Air Japan; you could commute to where ever you'd like in SE Asia.

[FreemaninHK]

Finance mate and his Banker Missus made a decent go of it till kids.
Down to one income (about 300K USD), and three boys in school, it quickly lost it's appeal.
They have now moved back to Melbourne and the boys have free school.
Both of them work, and the bank account is again climbing.

Living in SQ was killing them financially.

SQ, Scoot etc.. don't pay anything near what you he made. You don't have a chance.

[Wannabe Flyer]

Yes that is a key point....Is the Missues going to work or was it a decision taken after the Matinee show of Crazy Rich Asians

[HHChan]

300K a year and cant survive in spore? Are you sure on that mate? People can live luxuriously with that kind of income

[motley flight crue]

Agree HH. I’m always amused when I read people can’t survive on 250-300k salaries.

[ACJDriver]

Well, 300k won't be enough for a Crazy Rich Asia wannabe! :rolleyes:

[The Dominican]

Agreed! The cost of living is ridiculous! Singapore is very nice but don't expect to have any savings, or a car, or living space larger than 50sq meters, or a couple of beers by the waterfront!

[bringbackthe80s]

Singapore is super nice but as most former colonies it’s just out of control in terms of living expenses. I looked into it a few years ago while I was there, and I struggle to see how you can live comfortably with a family on a captain salary. It’s probably still ok if you’re in finance making big big bucks, but still It’s way too much.
But most importantly, never let the wife decide these things :)

[esscee]

Let her go there then!

[B2N2]

Wife wants to move to Singapore

*golfclap


and what does the wife intend to do there exactly?


I asked my wife earlier this year were she would want to live,anywhere in the world.
She said right here (were we live now)
She’s still my wife.

[Hirman1789]

hi there,

DEC’s on SIA’s widebodies could not be possible, but the rest you are definitely good to go ��

[FreemaninHK]

300K a year and cant survive in spore? Are you sure on that mate? People can live luxuriously with that kind of income

Tax..
8k a month mortgage,
and 3 boys in Dulwich College..

Went backwards for a year. Happy in Melbourne now.

[The Range]

So if it is that expensive to live there, how do regular people make it there?

[bringbackthe80s]

Don’t have 3 kids, public school, no condos with pool. Makes you wonder who’d move half way across the world for this though.

I think the basic problem is that we tend to look at what USED to be great places for expats with the same expectations. Thing is Singapore and HK are not Britain anymore, this world is very different from our parents’.

[krismiler]

Singapore isn't a hardship posting anymore, and the days of the extravagant expat packages are largely over, unless you're a high level banker.

The way to make it work is to live like a local, government schools are fine and S$4000 a month gets a nice condo outside the prime areas, forget a car they're the most expensive in the world, public transport and ride sharing is the way to go.

Countries in the middle East need to offer the expat deal or no one would go there.

[cruisepower]

So if it is that expensive to live there, how do regular people make it there?

you need to adjust to it. Decrease your expectations and make some sacrifice. It’s not bad as people describe here. You can live a decent life on a pilot salary here.

[FreemaninHK]

you need to adjust to it. Decrease your expectations and make some sacrifice. It’s not bad as people describe here. You can live a decent life on a pilot salary here.


I think the point of leaving home is to find a BETTER higher paying job, with more money left in the bank. Otherwise why leave friends, family, and your own countries medical/retirement security etc.. Singapore and Hong Kong used to provide. It still exists in some cases, but rarely for new residents.

I am a HUGE Singapore fan, but I left the Scoot 2 Day Interview in the first 10 minutes after it became clear that it wasn't financially viable.

[Bend alot]

I think the point of leaving home is to find a BETTER higher paying job, with more money left in the bank. Otherwise why leave friends, family, and your own countries medical/retirement security etc.. Singapore and Hong Kong used to provide. It still exists in some cases, but rarely for new residents.

I am a HUGE Singapore fan, but I left the Scoot 2 Day Interview in the first 10 minutes after it became clear that it wasn't financially viable.

Then one day they work out life's real priorities.

[cruisepower]

I think the point of leaving home is to find a BETTER higher paying job, with more money left in the bank. Otherwise why leave friends, family, and your own countries medical/retirement security etc.. Singapore and Hong Kong used to provide. It still exists in some cases, but rarely for new residents.

I am a HUGE Singapore fan, but I left the Scoot 2 Day Interview in the first 10 minutes after it became clear that it wasn't financially viable.

I totally understand your point but not everyone leave home for money. Some back home are unemployed, not treated well, looking to move into another equipment or even for safety reasons. At one point we all have to sacrifice something to gain something.

If anyone wants to save lots of money then Singapore is not for you. If you want a safe plus dynamic atmosphere then yes.

[Global Aviator]

I think the point of leaving home is to find a BETTER higher paying job, with more money left in the bank. Otherwise why leave friends, family, and your own countries medical/retirement security etc.. Singapore and Hong Kong used to provide. It still exists in some cases, but rarely for new residents.

I am a HUGE Singapore fan, but I left the Scoot 2 Day Interview in the first 10 minutes after it became clear that it wasn't financially viable.

Does your user name show you in HKG over SIN?

If so how does your airline of choice allow you to save with Honky living expenses?

Or are you a B scale CX :) ...

[krismiler]

The best years to do Singapore would have been back when SQ was offering expat terms. Retire from BA at 55 years old as a B744 Captain, rent out the house in the UK and send the money along with the pension income to a competent financial manager in the Channel Islands/Isle of Man. Come to Singapore for 5 years on the full package and enjoy the expat lifestyle while stashing away the surplus income. Retire at 60 and return to home country well cashed up and enjoy life.

[dream747]

No Singapore based airline offers an expat package anymore, all contracts are on local terms.

You will have to live a lifestyle similar to a local. A Captain’s salary is already way above the average what the locals are getting.

Cars are way too expensive, but given the public transport setup here, you can easily get by without one.

Housing is expensive too, but we don’t have the amount of land like most of where you guys come from. The general population live in apartments and people get by just fine.

If you’re looking for a big house, a car and still be able to put your kids through international schools, I’m afraid you might have to look elsewhere, if you can find any place that can offer you these and yet enjoy what Singapore offers - safety, corruption free society etc.

[FreemaninHK]

Does your user name show you in HKG over SIN?

If so how does your airline of choice allow you to save with Honky living expenses?

Or are you a B scale CX :) ...

Was on Expat terms with CX... Now flying corporate on even better terms.

Kids are not longer in school. (But Cathay did pay for most of it for us)

[FreemaninHK]

The best years to do Singapore would have been back when SQ was offering expat terms. Retire from BA at 55 years old as a B744 Captain, rent out the house in the UK and send the money along with the pension income to a competent financial manager in the Channel Islands/Isle of Man. Come to Singapore for 5 years on the full package and enjoy the expat lifestyle while stashing away the surplus income. Retire at 60 and return to home country well cashed up and enjoy life.


That is exactly what brought me. Family friend, retired B747 skipper joined SQ; came back cashed up with stories of adventure.
My time at CX wasn't as good as his, but it was ok do the expat benefits. Anyone joining now is in for a world of financial pain.

[Global Aviator]

Was on Expat terms with CX... Now flying corporate on even better terms.

Kids are not longer in school. (But Cathay did pay for most of it for us)

Fantastic! Yep the corporate world can be kind.....

:) :) :)

[thegypsy]

krismiler

I only came across on ex BA 55er who was Singapore based. All the rest were London based after their initial 6 months in Singapore. This kind of deal no longer around of course

[krismiler]

The good old days when you could retire at 55 on a full pension with less than 20 000 hours in your logbook and easily take a contract job with Gulf Air or Air Lanka on the L1011, or SQ on the B747 for 5-10 years until it was time to tend the garden in your country cottage. Expat terms were the way to go as you didn't need to worry about the upgrade and were only looking at possibly one renewal which wouldn't be a disaster if you didn't get it.

As you say, no longer around anymore.

[Jack D]

Is your wife Singaporean or Asian ? If yes I could understand the attraction. It is a pleasant place to visit, a form of soft Asia but it is very small, humid
very competitive in the jobs market and rather boring (only my personal opinion)
Why not take 2 mts off every Winter and move to a warmer environment which is affordable or emigrate to OZ like most young Singaporeans want to.

[crwkunt roll]

What is the 787 DEC Salary please?

[FlyingChipmunk]

the right question is "how many hours have the 787 pilots been averaging"....you will then get your answer

[FlyingChipmunk]

captain wage of S$250k avg per year before taxes (S$25k/annum nominal tax, 80hrs/mth, any less hour and you're crying)..... most are leaving their wives and kids back behind (me included) , not practical or sustainable

[hamil]

captain wage of S$250k avg per year before taxes (S$25k/annum nominal tax, 80hrs/mth, any less hour and you're crying)..... most are leaving their wives and kids back behind (me included) , not practical or sustainable

What's the attrition rate and morale in general?

Any intention of bringing more 787 in 2019?

Rgds.

[FreemaninHK]

What part of "not sustainable" is unclear.

Guys are leaving as they are going bankrupt.

Honestly, our profession is the worst. No other profession accepts conditions that cause them to lose financially by working. It's ridiculous.

[rdr]

Warts and all, about 500 people, mostly elderly jump off high rises every year, One of the factors, is the cost of living. Of course, it goes unreported due to a compliant media.

[CLR2LND]

Scoot and other LCC airlines seem to be advertising more and more these days. I get why pilots are leaving, but surely these airlines will have to offer a commuting roster soon as more pilots leave.

C2L