Chivenor to stay open

[flybeboy]

Announced today rmb chivenor is not to close, but to stay open, more details by defence minister today but good news, lets hope they use the airfield properly again.

[WE Branch Fanatic]

MOD news story here - yes RMB Chivenor is being retained long term. (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/defence-secretary-announces-five-year-plan-for-key-military-sites)

[Innominate]

It seems from https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/782294/Estate_document_for_gov.uk.pdf (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/782294/Estate_document_for_gov.uk.pdf)that Halton was originally due to close in 2022 but now will not close until 2025. Colerne and Henlow also have revised closure dates.

[Shackman]

Some good corporate speak in that document, but I've obviously been out of the loop too long. WTF does the optimum laydown required to support operational capability mean in English. I assume something along the lines of we need to keep it going 'cos we need the facilities/accommodation/playing fields or whatever, but really?

[pr00ne]

Shackman,

Which words are you struggling to understand? Would a dictionary help?

Actually goos news for 'airfields' all round yesterday, as well as Chivenor the airfield at Arbroath and that at Woodbridge are to be retained.

[Al-bert]

Shackman,

Which words are you struggling to understand? Would a dictionary help?

Actually goos news for 'airfields' all round yesterday, as well as Chivenor the airfield at Arbroath and that at Woodbridge are to be retained.

OOPS! would a spell check help? :=

[Always a Sapper]

DIO Head Office Sutton Coldfield, West Midlands
2020 2021 Updated disposal date following detailed work to assess the optimum laydown required to support operational capability.

I don't think we would notice if that one was shut and sold off over the weekend, if anything things 'FM' might even improve!
As for optimum laydown required to support operational capability.... Anyone wish to make suggestions?

[AnglianAV8R]

As for optimum laydown required to support operational capability.... Anyone wish to make suggestions?

Come along chaps. Give us your ideas, then we'll run them up the flagpole and see how they fly.
This will require thinking outside the box on an individual basis or we could have a mind shower.
You military folk need to embrace the genre and raise the bar.

Please ensure all answers submitted are robust, scalable, agile and capable of leveraging, in line with current progressive and inclusive policies.

[wub]

Thinking out of the box here, perhaps the ground has poor drainage and needs to be covered in PSP before it can be used. (Robust and scalable enough?)

[pr00ne]

Al-bert,

Not at all!

"is a goos news day!"

[pr00ne]

So, for all the hard of comprehension;

Optimum = "most conducive to a favourable outcome."
laydown = "second single from Melanie Safka's 1970 album Candles in the wind." OR "Laydown delivery is a method of attack utilising a free fall nuclear weapon" OR just maybe it is slang for MoD occupied land.
Required = "Officially, compulsory or otherwise considered essential."
To = "Expressing motion in the direction of a particular direction."
Support = "bear all or part of the weight of."
Operational = "In or ready for use."
Capability = "the power or capability to do something."

Hope that helps.

I do wonder how some of you cope in 2019.

[Shackman]

Thank you for your erudite reply pr00ne. I suspect we all know what the individual words mean, but putting them together in the document has given rise to gobbledegook. A bit like Eric Morecombe - playing all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order.

[pr00ne]

Shackman,

Not really. The only word that could be counted as you describe is laydown. Anyone engaging in business or commercial related conversation today would have no issue with recognising the meaning of the phrase used.

Just another way of saying that they are still sorting out where units from locations scheduled to close are to be redeployed, and the cost and effort of so doing.

[Shackman]

pr00ne - thank you; the light dawneth. Unfortunately having been military all my life and used to plain (straight) speaking in briefings and service papers I still find obfuscation and management/marketing talk difficult to understand.

I'm now going for a laydown to support my poorly operating eyes.

[Big Pistons Forever]

I now work for a Canadian Government Ministry.. Last year the department rolled out with much fan fare a new "Plain Language Commissioner". The next day I received a meeting report from the annual get together of the big wigs. It was so full of management speak bollocks I sent it to the plain language commissioner for translation !

[BEagle]

I recall a request for 'stakeholder engagement'...

To which a reply was sent, along the lines of "WTF do you want? I'm not Vlad the Impaler - please write in English!".

[MrBernoulli]

I'm now going for a laydown to support my poorly operating eyes.
And I've just been for a sit down, and sent an MoD paper shuffler around the bend. :E

[safetypee]

“Spherical Objects”;
Yes Minister. ‘Who is Spherical, and to what does he object.’

[flybeboy]

The defence sec said at chiv, we are very very excited what we could do hear in the future, more personall could be based hear, and it has an airstrip. What do people think about the mod doing up the runway again and reopening it or will it carry on as it is, disused put used for heli exercises, training, and the hercs use it sometimes..will it open fully again

[Martin the Martian]

I never understood why the CHF was never moved into Chivenor to be based alongside its main customers, apart from the cost of maintaining the airfield facilities. Perhaps they could do this now along with the Pongo Wildcats and rename it RNAS Chivenor. So far so good, BUT let's shift the Pinger Merlins to Yeovilton to fill the vacated space. Then spend millions on moving the simulator, MDMF and everything else to Somerset; 750 can shack up in the ex-FRADU hangar on the south side, SFDO can squeeze in somewhere and lots more dosh can be saved by closing Culdrose.

That's just the sort of silly bl00dy idea some idiot somewhere would come up with.

[pr00ne]

Martin the Martian,

Maybe because the main customers of CHF are not the units based at Chivenor; Commando Logistic Regiment and 24 Eng Regt RE, but the actual Commando Group Units based at Norton Manor Camp, Bickleigh, Arbroath and Faslane? And also maybe because there is no room?