Harrier Down

[Archimedes]

From the BBC website:


"A Harrier jet has crashed into the sea off the Suffolk coast.
The pilot is reported have escaped before the jet hit the water.

The accident happened in front of crowds at the Lowestoft Air Show.

The pilot ejected shortly after the jet's engine failed. "


Hope that reports of pilot's safe exit are 100% accurate.

[Archimedes]

Again from BBC:

'The pilot ejected before the plane went down and Suffolk Police said neither he nor anyone else had been hurt. '

[Gen. Bombdabastards]

Should be current dinghy drill by now then. Good to hear that he got out OK without any other casualties.

[ORAC]

BBC:

An RAF Harrier jet performing at an air show has crashed into the sea off the Suffolk coast. The pilot is reported have escaped before the jet hit the water.

The accident happened in front of thousands of holidaymakers at the Lowestoft Air Show.

The pilot ejected shortly after the jet's engine is thought to have failed.

He has been brought ashore by Lowestoft Lifeboat but his condition is not known.

The jet, believed to be a GR7 from RAF Wittering, was coming to the end of its display.

A BBC reporter at the scene said it was about 50ft above the water when there was a loud explosion.

No-one in the crowd was injured.

More than 400,000 visitors had been expected to watch the Lowestoft Seafront Air Festival on Friday.

Attractions at the annual event included the Red Arrows and other display teams including the Royal Jordanian Falcons.

[Dimensional]

From the pictures on BBC Look East's trailer - the jet appeared to suddenly start descending at a 30 degree angle while maintaining a horizontal pitch attitude, very low forward speed, fairly controlled impact.

Pilot ejected, appeared to land on top of aircraft, which had its tail sticking out of the water. Hope he/she's OK.

[Talking Radalt]

Just seen it on BBC main news.
Reassuring work by Martin Baker airlines, low speed, low height etc.
According to the Beeb the pilot was seen waving to the crowd as he floated under his 'chute! Stiff upper lip or what?!
Here's to a speedy recovery!
:eek:

[DamienB]

Didn't look to me like he had time to wave - he hit the ditched Harrier only a few seconds after leaving it! Looked like a hell of a bang too, hopefully no sore arse or anything else.

Anyone else see the smoke from the top of the fuselage between the wings?

[ORAC]

BBC:

An RAF Harrier jet performing at an air show has crashed into the sea off the Suffolk coast.
The accident happened in front of thousands of holidaymakers at the Lowestoft Air Show. The pilot ejected shortly after the engine failed.

The Harrier was coming to the end of its display - when it bows to the crowd, before flying off.

A spokesman for the organisers says at about fifty feet, there was apparently engine failure and the pilot, Flight Lieutenant Tony Cann, ejected. The Lowestoft lifeboat brought him ashore.

Flight Lieutenant Cann, who is based at RAF Wittering, is understood to be well and crowds applauded him as he waved from a helicopter which was taking him to the James Paget Hospital in Gorleston for examination.

A BBC reporter at the scene said the aircraft was flying about 50ft above the water when there was a loud explosion.

"The Harrier, one of the most popular parts of the show, was facing the crowd about 50ft from the edge of the sand," said Guy Campbell.

"It was about to do a favourite manoeuvre with the crowds - a bow - when there seemed to be some kind of huge engine loss.

"The jet began to fall towards the sea then there was an explosion as the hood of the cockpit blew off and we saw the pilot fly about 50ft into the air."

No-one in the crowd was injured.

[Smoketoomuch]

ITV have a variety of angles. Interesting to see the water below go suddenly calm as the engine quits. It appears the pilot very nearly landed back in the cockpit... that would have been a first eh:eek:
Good job it happened over water, might have landed in a bonfire otherwise:eek:

[John Farley]

Nice when the good guys get lucky for a change.

[fobotcso]

Marvellous ending to an Air Show act that won't be repeated very often. Great to see the guy react and all the kit work just as it ought to.

But it shouldn't have happened, eh?

[Megaton]

Show off.

[Juan To Go]

An unfortunate incident but the correct distance from the crowd line so no spectator injuries - just ask Her Majesty for a new aeroplane.

[Chris Kebab]

Love the idea of him waving to the crowd as he hit the water!

Reminds me of the nav being wheeled off to Dundee Royal Infirmery with a pile of squashed verterbrae and burns after departing a fireball on the end of the runway. Boss looks round door of ambulance to a comment of "Hello Boss, guess that's another DNCO then"!

[FJJP]

The video - good to see Tony OK...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/video/38174000/rm/_38174263_harrier19_simms_vi.ram

[Capt.KAOS]

Nice show, kinda expensive though @ 35Mil loss..... guess they will raise the entrance tickets next time?

Very much relieved no casualties like Lviv and pilot is okay....

Capt.KAOS

[Talking Radalt]

Maybe nexy year they'll maintain the "you've been framed" ending to the show with a demonstration of ramming a ship on some rocks!
Oh yeah, forgot, they've done that one already!:p

[northwing]

Another great ad for Martin Baker. I once watched someone get away with it from 80ft altitude, 1200 ft/min ROD and 60 deg bank angle which I suspect was even more demanding of the seat.

[wheelie-bin-there]

Before the vultures start ripping our main man apart, just a small note from someone that was stood about 200m from the crash! I was expecting the nod-to-the-crowd bit as, I think, his display was almost over. Just guessing but he turned into wind about 10secs before he headed earthward, maybe his CWP looming?

Don't want to start rumours but it looked to me like he was turning away from the crowd - he stayed with her long after most of us would have and don't get me wrong, I'm not into brown nosing our pointy nosed cousins, but he did nothing more than everything he could before going through the roof.

A big:mad: to anyone that starts to sl@g our man off. He wouldn't even let the SAR crew put him on the stretcher and was winched up the old fashioned way, not bad for a guy thats just squeezed his vertibre into one!

Get well soon...:D

[Gingerbread Man]

Is it common pratice to hold airshows over the sea? I only ask because this is the first time i've seen it happen. It looks like water is kinder than land when all starts to go pear shaped because the GR7 looked more-or-less intact in the water, or is that mindless optimism on my part?
DamienB mentioned smoke between the wings. I am no engineer or accident investigator, but i think thats where the APU and engine starter exhaust makes its exit, if that is of any relevance whatsoever:confused: .
Encouraging to see a good display from the Martin Baker Furniture Removal Company again:) .

[Roymac]

As any Sqn CSRO will confirm, an actual ejection and subsequent fight with the kit in the water does NOT count towards sea drill currency! Stats - don't you just love 'em?

[BLW Skylark 4]

If its all got to go wrong, then I guess thats the way to do it - no serious injuries, no loss of life and no damage other than loss of the jet.

Get well soon Tony - it was nice to see you at RIAT & FI2002 and I hope you're back soon.

(Wish I'd taken a few more photos of that GR7 with the pale blue tail last week now - anyone know if the squadron has a spare display jet suitably enlivened...??)

'BLW'

[Arkroyal]

How fortuitous that this happened at this show and not whilst hovering over, say, the Brands Hatch paddock. Wouldn't have been much fun landing back on the wreck if it was a fireball!

Dimensional: 'fairly controlled impact.' Quite a feat from a parachute!:p

Hope our pointy friend is OK, well done mate.

[Low and Slow]

1. Well done that man! Get well soon. I pooh myself just sitting on pinned bang seats!!.. and will faint when they take the pins out!!

2. This is about the third GR-7 crash I can remember when the donkey stopped as the aircraft was in the hover. OK, so no surprise there with the high power settings in use, but is anyone going to re-visit the AUW limitations for hovering flight any time soon??. Weren't they reduced a while ago anyway?

3. Can a GR-7 eat a sea-gull in one sitting?

[Flap 5]

From what I saw on the TV the 'waving to the crowd' that the BBC newsreader (Darren) mentioned was just the pilot raising his arms to steady himself before hitting the water and / or aircraft, which was right beneath him.

Secondly surely the airframe can be salvaged and reused? I don't expect the electronic equipment will be much use now but I would have thought that the airframe could be saved. Just how much of an airframe can be used after being dipped (fairly gently) in salt water?

[Tiger_mate]

Just how much of an airframe can be used after being dipped (fairly gently) in salt water?

In the case of one particular Puma that has been to the bottom of the English Channel and back, almost all of it.

Well 2/3 of it anyway.

I saw said machine at Westlands with 3 serials on it!!

T_M

[HOODED]

Skylark, yes there is usually a spare ac without the blue fin, I belive it was at Norwich from where the fated jet flew. Unfortunately there is only one display pilot and I don't think he'll be flying again for a while. As for recovering the ac, I doubt it as the last one dunked off a CVS was pulled out and fresh water washed on the deck but still wasn't recoverable. Glad Tony's ok though he's a true proffesional.

[DamienB]

I'd be surprised if this one is even viable as an RAF museum exhibit after that impact! Looked like the nose and port wing damn near broke off in the middle of the splash, they flexed so much.

[John Farley]

I have just seen an ITV news clip showing a side view of the event

From this film the jet efflux is impinging normally on the sea as the aircraft decelerates, then suddenly the sea becomes calm underneath (as smoketoomuch said earlier) at which point the aircraft starts to sink BUT also accelerate rapidly forward.

This forward acceleration would suggest to me a running motor but a reduced nozzle angle. Then as the aircraft gets just above the water the sea behind the aircraft is disturbed again by the efflux - apparently pointing fairly well aft,

I would be surprised if that donk stopped,

I would not be surprised if the BOI says the air motor (the power control unit that adjusts the nozzle angle) ran the nozzles aft.

Whatever the cause there was no better place for such goings on.

[Matt Black]

Apols if this has been posted elsewhere, but just heard from a chum at Wittering that the hover jets have been grounded there pending further investigation.

If there is only one display pilot, was he the one at Farnborough last week? If so, I take it back, you no longer owe me a beer for deafening me, I'll buy you one in the mess at Witt/Cott next time I'm up.

Good show getting out promptly. Are you logging the extra 2 seconds then? Hope your out and about soon.

[Rude C'man]

Well done , hope you're not hurt , nice to see the kit worked!
Looks like another job for wokka salvage UK PLC

[wheelie-bin-there]

What does a GR7-driver snack on?

Pringles...'once you pop, you just can't stop'!!!

Sorry! Anyone know how/when they plan to recover her, surely too heavy for a wokka, especially full of water.:confused:

150' for a further.

[Matt Black]

Heard on the local TV news yesterday that the pilots' FRCs were washed up on the beach turned to the emerg procs section. It was being implied by this that the pilot knew he was in trouble and had flipped them over on to the appropriate page.

Implies to me that either:

a. Normal to leave FRCs open on this page ( as I do, 'cos you never know when you'll need them in a hurry ).

b. Harrier pilots can turn to the right page really quickly.

c. They just happened to fall open onto that page.

Any thoughts from the Harrier community?

[hotinfo]

I have a question that may appear to some to be obvious. I am not an aviator so please bear with me!

Why did the pilot not wait until he was safely(?) on the water and then undo his straps, cockpit and get out. It is training whereby the pilot reacts as programmed, or does the pilot make an analysis of what the best outcome will be?

This is not a wind up, so no funny comments about my understanding of aircraft please.

[Tiger_mate]

I once witnessed a Harrier crash from the hover in RAFG. The wingtip nozzles had decided to do their own thing and it rolled out of control. The pilot ejected out of the envelope (horizontally) and was killed. The firecrews went straight for the cockpit, and within seconds the aircraft fire was extinguished, the cockpit area being virtually unmarked by fire.

The popular perception was that if the pilot had remained, a sore but alive body would have been removed from the aircraft.

I am not a FJ jock, but my perception is that in the split second that you have to make a decision, the yellow and black handle will always win the debate, and besides which there is a new tie in it for you.

A good way to answer the previous question is that an out of control aircraft is totally unpredictable (SU27 crash) and best left behind. The fact that in this case it appears to have been a sedate impact, could not, and cannot be taken for granted.

Hope that answers your question. FJ mates feel free to chip in.

T_M

[Oh I See]

There can be no better advert for right man, right training and right seat!

Some thoughts on previous posts:

FRC’s could just as easily have been washed ashore open at walk round checks (I know; we would have seen him), the sea is pretty good at washing stuff around.

As a rotary bod I know little of ejection seats, however, if sat in a 100’ hover and suffering a catastrophic loss of power I would dearly love to depart the location via Martin Bakers finest rather than pole my way to the scene of the crash!

Speaking to an oppo on the SAR force there’s been some debate as to this claim that the stretcher was turned down. Seems that back injury is assumed and that all FJ mates are briefed this.

Once again well done.

[Kalium Chloride]

Looks like he was right in the middle of a spectacular full-on blow-job and then she quit on him. Ain't that typical?

[Barn Doors]

Hotinfo,

The FRC's (Flight Reference Cards), that all pilots in the RAF learn to know back to front, are there to be followed to the letter unless there are mitigating circumstances to not do so. Some emergency actions are extremely time critical, esp whilst hovering the Harrier, and by virtue have to be known instinctively. If indeed the cause of the crash last week was a failure of the engine, the only course of action was ejection. This advice usually applies to any unrecoverable loss of control and when the 'donk' goes in the Harrier in the VSTOL regime, you have no control! It's a one-way lift and drops fast.

Hope that clears some of your question.....

Hope you're well Tony, hope to see you back soon.

BD

[ShyTorque]

TigerMate,

Having flown a bang seat a few times myself (including more recent time after those halcyon 230 days) I personally wouldn't want to risk a crash landing on a live seat. It might go off, it might not, it might go off but malfunction etc etc. All a bit too unpredictable and there is no guarantee what the level of damage to the airframe and hence one's person is going to be anyway.

BTW,
We were on the same squadron back then unless you were hovering in Walter Wessex at the time! I arrived at EDUO to begin my tour just as the crash occurred. Particularly sad for me, the pilot (Nigel Storah) was an ex-creamie QFI I had previously flown with at 1FTS. He and I had an occasion to read FRCs together one dark night somewhere over South Yorkshire. We thought we were going to be required to land separately from the airframe shortly afterwards, but in the event we got safely back to Linton.

[Surditas]

Good to see the seat works as advertised (or works as unadvertised as he would have had some downwards vector below MSEH).
My two cents worth on a couple of posts above:
The checklist turning up on the shore (can't use the word "beach" because it is in the UK:p ) on the right page must be purely chance. I think if the driver knew something was wrong and he had enough time to pull out the checklist then he would have knocked off the display earlier. In any case, it seemed to happen so fast that there didn't appear time to spit out the bold face actions let alone re-check them from the book.
As for following the jet into the drink, Hotinfo, the flight manual for the GR7 probably doesn't have much reliable advice on ditching, but it would have some good figures on ejection parameters. An uncontrolled landing is, by its nature, not something where one can know what the outcome would be. There was a good chance, in this case, that the jet could have been inverted in the water with the pilot unconcious or concious with the canopy stuck etc. The ejection 'D' is hammered into military pilots on ejection seat aircraft from day one. It is a case of "If I am below such and such a height and this or that happens I will eject". The idea is to not let you think too long about it as those few seconds of think time usually mean the difference between a successful ejection and a "non-successful" one. It's basically a case of "Ooh, something's gone wrong, I am below my pre-briefed height, let's step out". Hope that answers your question :)

[Nopax,thanx]

Can't imagine that this particular ship (!) will ever fly again - it was quite a hefty impact, and the salt water will play merry hell with the avionics.

So, having wrecked the engine, airframe and all of the LRU's, I reckon that's the end of her. But aeroplanes can be replaced, and I shouldn't think anyone's that bothered about £20 mil up the wall, particularly as there was no loss of life.

Just hope that Lowestoft see it that way too, and keep running the show - it certainly seems that a professional approach has paid off, and you can run these kind of events with complete safety. Well done to all, especially the pilot.

[hotinfo]

Thank you all above who answered my question as to why the pilot had to eject. I now have some understanding of the methodology behind the actions.

[Zoom]

Anyone remember that particularly good flight safety poster a couple of decades ago showing a Jaguar with a choice of flight paths in the vicinity of a tall hill and the captions 'Dead safe...dead lucky...dead'? The explanatory message encouraged aircrew not to delay ejections in times of desperation. So this chap done good, and he is alive to read what we are writing about him.

Anyone else remember the equally old video of an F-14 crash on dry land where one crew member was seen descending into the fireball, only to be lifted to safety by the heat of the fire, doubtless with pretty warm boots?

[Gainesy]

Zoom,
Remember both. The F-14 was one of the prototypes (if not the first ) which crashed on its second (I think) flight on app to Calverton, Long Island. Hyd probs ( cavitation?) leading to divergent pitch oscillations.

[DamienB]

Some pics of the recovery to be found here:

http://www.keymags.co.uk/dcforum/DCForumID1/1285.html

Looks rather sorry for itself.

Big brown stain at stbd wing root of any significance do you think, or just mud?

[ORAC]

Stain just looks like mud. Note the nozzles are fully aft, so it looks like John Farley's observations and conclusions were spot on.

http://www.keymags.co.uk/dcforum/User_files/3d53d4cb15f9b552.jpg

[MightyGem]

Gingerbreadman, two other seaside shows are Southport and Southend.

[Kilted]

Seaside show at Eastbourne too

RAF spokesman on local news is reporting that there is a lot of disintegration to the components due to the high magnesium content and subsequent "fizzy" water!.

[ShyTorque]

Nice picture.

The state of the cockpit should fully answer the earlier query about whether the pilot should have stayed with the aircraft.

[swashplate]

I'm no expert, but aren't the nozzles actually past horizontal, and angled slightly upward?? :confused:

Maybe water impact? :confused: I understand if you hit it at a high enough velocity, it's like concrete......:eek:

[Reheat On]

Ho hum - it happens. I ownder what the departing P1 thought as he descended back onto his recently departed aircraft.... something along the lines of 'For F*$%s sake... give me a break' :)

Surely, an airframe like that was in't good old days Cat 4 and a lot of teaching material? Are GR7s like mobile phones these days - use 'em for a year and get a free upgrade?

Aftre all mighty hunters suck up that much salt as a matter of routine!

[Flap62]

The nozzles may have gone past the normal aft position due to the impact which was severe enough to trash the rest of the jet.

I'm with Mr Farley on this one though. When the jets hovering and the donk quits, it's only going one place and that's straight down - this one didn't. It started to accel forward and to do that the donk must have been producing some thrust. Looking at the video it's noticable that the jet is quite stable with brownish jet eflux - this is normal with the water injection flowing. The smoke stops and the nose comes up before the old girl starts to stagger forward and down. There could be a million causes why either the nozzles ran aft on their own or the engine lost power (water fail/ran out/DECS malfunction/birdstrike etc) but it looks like either a nozzle runaway or a loss of power(not total) which Tony didn't have the heigt to accel away from.
Good to see he got out though - even though he always was a throttle pumping ar$e!

[Rhys S. Negative]

There could be a million causes why either the nozzles ran aft on their own or the engine lost power (water fail/ran out/DECS malfunction/birdstrike etc)

It is also, I believe, not unheard of for even a very experienced Harrier pilot, once in a blue moon, to mistake the nozzle lever for the throttle, or vice versa.

[Flap62]

RHYS. NEG,

You are of course quite right, but while I was happy to speculate (without any knowledge of the crash, other than the video) on possible technical causes, I was certainy not going to start on possible "other causes". Tony is a sharp operator and I personally,would have no interest in apportioning blame or even speculating about what went on inside the cockpit without knowledge.

[Oh I See]

Flaps62

“Tony is a sharp operator and I personally,would have no interest in apportioning blame or even speculating about what went on inside the cockpit without knowledge.”

You don’t mind speculating about engineers then?

[Flap62]

Oh I See,

Have re-read my original post several times now and can see no-way in which I point the finger at engineers. Water pumps fail, engine control units have stray wigglies and nozzles do run away on their own. Suggest you check shoulder for chips.

[Smoketoomuch]

Fisherman nets jet crash ejector seat

A fisherman has landed the ejector seat from a jet which crashed at Lowestoft airshow.

Jeffery Melton found the last part of the Harrier - the rest had been salvaged by air force experts and taken back to RAF Wittering last week.

Mr Melton netted it while trawling for shrimp. The seat enabled pilot Flt Lt Tony Cann to escape without serious injury.

The 70kg seat was intact and even housed a crab, which had settled in the parachute holder.

Accident investigators are still trying to work out what caused the £15 million jump jet to plunge into the sea in front of more than 200,000 spectators.

Mr Melton told the East Anglia Daily Times: "I started to hear a knock and I knew there was something there."

He brought it back to shore where it was collected by the RAF.

[Archimedes]

"The 70kg seat was intact and even housed a crab..."

Isn't that what it's supposed to do??:D

[BEagle]

TOP banter, mate!!

[SEngO]

Have spoken to my best friend who is a senior engineer on 20 Sqn. He has said that:

1. The crashed ac was the only one painted with a display fin and they do not intend to replace it this year so rush out now and buy the limited edition airfix models.

2. Any sane pilot who is loosing height in the hover will select nozzles to the rear to try and get out of there without crashing. To sit there and do nothing when losing height in the hover is the type of stupidty you expect from the Tornado fleet (I am experienced in this area).

3. He would bet a months pay that the aircraft failed on Tony Cann. He has the utmost respect and admiration for Tony quote 'he is one of the best pilots he has ever worked with.'

I am no expert on Harrier but I am informed there is a lot of mis-informed people posting their opinions on this thread.

[thermoluminescent]

Good job SEngO is 'experienced in this area' - he's quite right you know, current Tornado pilots take note of his input here - I used to fly the Tornado and I'm certainly guilty of not knowing the IAs for 'Double Engine Failure in the Hover'. I remember that there was a lever but it wiggled the wings about not the (Top Secret) Tornado directional nozzle system.

Nozzle, that's a nice word. Not quite as good as heptopistonic but good all the same.

Yours in their luggage,

Me

Edited cos I think you might actually be AG reborn. If you are AG (or if AG is reading this) do the numbers 54 ** ** 110 ** ** mean anything to you? Or should I say did they mean anything to you? If I did track you down (albeit too late) best of luck fella.

[ORAC]

"Any sane pilot who is loosing height in the hover will select nozzles to the rear to try and get out of there without crashing".

I'd like someone to explain this concept more fully to me.

If you're losing height due to loss of thrust because of an engine problem, what effect will rotating the nozzles aft do?

If you're losing lift because the nozzles are already transitioning because of a failure, what effect would moving the lever have?

If you assume the loss of partial thrust, what height would you need to be at to achieve sufficient speed/lift in conventional flight to ovecome the loss and stabilise in height?

Are these the sort of questions engineers ask you on the ground afterwards?

[BOAC]

"I am no expert on Harrier but I am informed there is a lot of mis-informed people posting their opinions on this thread."

Not wrong there then!

[Oh I See]

Flap62

Have looked long and hard for chips; none found. While looking for the chips I did realise that my post was too brief to convey my point without causing offence and for that I apologise.

So what was my point?

Some one manufactures and then someone else fits the components, which go into the aircraft that we fly. If it’s not normal operating hazard (birds etc) then sadly it will end up at someone’s door.

To go “off piste” for a bit, this is, as has been said many times before, a rumour network. If you want to speculate about this sort of thing you cannot select what is to be called into question. That is if you wish to have a unbiased debate of course.

I seem to remember similar problems with the “SU 27 air show crash” thread when some posters took offence at areas of speculation over matters of taste. There have even been accusations that some posters are considering the mil forum to be RAF centred and are willing to debate failings in other nations aircrew and not RAF aircrew.

This is not a view that I hold however it is not hard to see how people are coming to these conclusions.

[Flap62]

Oh I See,

Fairey nuff.

As I said on the SU-27 thread I wholeheartedly agree that almost all topics are fair game for rumour. I would not speculate on accident causes inside the cockpit, not because I think the two winged master race are inviolate, merely because I know Tony.

Next time an F3 stoofs in and the crew get out, I'll be the first to log on and point out how it's obvious that they porked it and that they should have been chopped at Valley !

[Oh I See]

:)

[fobotcso]

ORAC, I'm sure your request for concept clarification was, at least partly, rhetorical but, as we're having fun, I'll stick my neck out even though I'm one of the most out-of-date Harrier Mates in PPRuNe.

If you're losing height at the hover with full throttle, you'll do your utmost with water, Top Temp Limiter and ultimately milking the lever to get some forward speed into wind to get some wing-lift. Slamming the lever forward would be innovative and spectacular. I think SEngO was just making a couple of optimistic assumptions with his second point.

Your next question asks about loss of thrust; if it's total loss of thrust, fiddling with the lever would be wasting time that you should be using to find and pull the handle. If it's partial loss of thrust, it all depends on the degree ...

About uncommanded rapid nozzle movement to full aft, fiddling with the lever would also appear to be wasting time that should be used in finding and ...

Ah, the one about how much height would you need ... This is an essay question; how much is the "partial loss", how heavy are you, are you into wind? And so on.

And the one about questions on the ground; I give up with the excuse that I don't know what fascinates engineers these days.

[Rhys S. Negative]

SEngO,

Are you able to provide any info on the checks carried out on the fleet in order to lift the post-accident grounding?

Rhys.