flyBMI about to fold

[geardown1]

a recently published article makes for some interesting reading. I can't post it as i'm new on this but a google search of flybmi news will show it. It's written by the kid Alex Macheras who is no more than a nobody with some social media following however if what he's saying is correct, it doesn't look good for the company.

[Richard Taylor]

This is the article referred to - make of it what you will:

https://aviationanalyst.co.uk/2019/02/16/exclusive%E2%80%8B-flybmi-set-to-collapse/

[FlyingApe]

Looks Bad. Think I might be at the Job centre Monday. :-(

Anyone need a pilot. ATPL.4000TT, 2500 Multi Crew Jet. Command recomendations. Current as of yesterday. Based Glasgow, or commuting contract.

Either that or a taxi driver ?

[Nil further]

You would get RHS easy with that or FR nae bother.

[FlyingApe]

Yes,but based where?

[Icanseeclearly]

I sincerely hope this is not the case.

would Loganair snap up some of the Jets and crews? I know they are operating some.

if true Good luck folks..

[FlyingApe]

That's the betting. I hope so.
I think a Tartan uniform would suit me.

[Set 1013]

Flybe/Connect/Virgin (whatever we are at the moment) are desperate for DEC onto the Q400 with a GLA base probably available immediately.

[Nil further]

Frying pan fire ??

[Livesinafield]

Flybe are desperate for DEC especially at Glasgow.

[geardown1]

Apparently crews are getting an update at 18:30 so we shall see.

[STN Ramp Rat]

sadly looks like its about to be all over, the website is not accepting any more bookings

[davidjohnson6]

All over - see www.flybmi.com

[Icanseeclearly]

Bugger, good luck folks

[geardown1]

What a real shame, feel sorry for all the staff and crew affected by this. It feels like every other week and airline is collapsing.

[louelle100]

Sad to see 8 aircraft sat at BRS right now. all the best to crews.

[G-MILF]

Breaking on BBC News now: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47267901

[The Scarlet Pimpernel]

Good luck guys - awful to see this happening again to great people. Lots of recruiting going on though so hopefully you’ll find something quickly

[Auxtank]

Seems so wrong that this has happened for God's sake.

Good Luck to all you chaps and chapesses involved in finding pastures new, etc.

[RoyHudd]

Sad news. Been there twice. Rotten for all the employees, and many of the airline's suppliers. Best of luck to you all.

[Rottweiler22]

I had the pleasure of landing BMI’s last passenger flight. Good luck to everyone here, I’ll see you on the other side.

[nicolai]

The FlyBMI website isn't handling the load too well.

A copy of the press release is here: https://www.theaviationeye.com/2019/02/breaking-flybmi-ceases-ops-with-immediate-effect/

I hope the crews can find somewhere else soon!

[nevilinio]

Sorry to hear this news. Seems like it’s happening all too frequently. I’ve been there with Monarch and I wish all the crew the very best of luck in finding something quickly.

[Doug E Style]

BBC website shows a picture of an A319! My sympathy goes to all the staff, not least the guys I heard on frequency this morning over southern Germany, inbound to Munich, perhaps?

[Longtimer]

From their website:
Game over.... https://www.flybmi.com/ (https://www.flybmi.com/) Press Release: 16 February 2019British Midland Regional Limited, the East Midlands-based airline which operates as flybmi, has today announced that it has ceased operations and is filing for administration.

Flybmi operates 17 regional jet aircraft on routes to 25 European cities.

All flights have been cancelled with effect from today. Customers who booked directly with flybmi should contact their payment card issuer to obtain a refund for flights which have not yet taken place. Customers who have booked flybmi flights via a travel agent or one of flybmi’s codeshare partner airlines are recommended to contact their agent or airline for details of options available to them. Customers who have travel insurance should contact their travel insurance provider to find out if they are eligible to claim for cancelled flights and the procedure for doing so.

A spokesperson for flybmi said:

“It is with a heavy heart that we have made this unavoidable announcement today. The airline has faced several difficulties, including recent spikes in fuel and carbon costs, the latter arising from the EU’s recent decision to exclude UK airlines from full participation in the Emissions Trading Scheme. These issues have undermined efforts to move the airline into profit. Current trading and future prospects have also been seriously affected by the uncertainty created by the Brexit process, which has led to our inability to secure valuable flying contracts in Europe and lack of confidence around bmi’s ability to continue flying between destinations in Europe. Additionally, our situation mirrors wider difficulties in the regional airline industry which have been well documented.

“Against this background, it has become impossible for the airline’s shareholders to continue their extensive programme of funding into the business, despite investment totalling over £40m in the last six years. We sincerely regret that this course of action has become the only option open to us, but the challenges, particularly those created by Brexit, have proven to be insurmountable.

“Our employees have worked extremely hard over the last few years and we would like to thank them for their dedication to the company, as well as all our loyal customers who have flown with us over the last 6 years.”

Bmi Regional employed a total of 376 employees based in the UK, Germany, Sweden and Belgium. Notes:

Flights operated by flybmi served Aberdeen, Bristol, Brno, City of Derry, Dusseldorf, East Midlands, Esbjerg, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Jonkoping, Karlstad, London Stansted, Lublin, Milan Bergamo, Munich, Newcastle, Norrkoping, Nuremburg, Oslo, Paris Charles de Gaulle, Rostock/Laage, Saarbrucken and Stavanger.

The airline carried 522,000 passengers on 29,000 flights in 2018.

Customers with bookings should contact their bank or payment card issuer to initiate the process of obtaining a refund. If Customers have booked through Lufthansa, Brussels Airlines or another airline or code partner or a booking agent Customers should contact them directly. Customers who have travel insurance should contact their travel insurance provider to understand if they are eligible to claim for cancelled flights and the procedure for doing so.

Flybmi flights operated under codeshare agreements with code partners Lufthansa, Brussels Airlines, Turkish Airlines, Loganair, Air France and Air Dolomiti.

Information for Customers & Customer Questions and AnswersThis document has been prepared in order to provide high level information for customers of the Company who have booked one or more flights that have not yet flown (the “Customers”). This document contains general information which may be relevant to Customers and is not deemed to be specific advice to any particular Customer. This document is intended for information for the Customers of the Company only and is not exhaustive of every right or option which may be available to a Customer.

OVERVIEW

The Company is no longer able to operate any flights to and from the UK and within Europe.
ALL FLIGHTS HAVE BEEN CANCELLED WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT BOTH FROM AND TO THE UK AND WITHIN EUROPE.
All Customers due to travel with the Company will need to rebook flights with an alternative airline.
Please DO NOT TRAVEL TO THE AIRPORT unless you have arranged an alternative flight with an alternative airline.
The Company is unable to arrange or reschedule any flights for you.
If Customers have booked through a code share partner of the Company (Lufthansa, Brussels Airlines, Turkish Airlines, Loganair, Air France and Air Dolomiti) or a booking agent you should contact them directly.

CUSTOMER ACTIONS

The following actions may be available to Customers in respect of any claim they may have relating to any booked flight that has not flown:
Credit Cards - Customers who have paid a deposit or paid for flights by credit or debit card and the flights have been cancelled may be able to claim a refund from their card issuer. Please contact your card issuer as soon as you can if this applies to you. Further information is available from the UK Cards Association: Credit and Debit Cards: a Consumer Guide www.theukcardsassociation.org.uk
Travel Insurance - Customers who have travel insurance should contact their travel insurance provider to understand if they are eligible to claim for cancelled flights and the procedure for doing so.
If Customers have booked through a code share partner of the Company (Lufthansa, Brussels Airlines, Turkish Airlines, Loganair, Air France and Air Dolimiti) or a booking agent you should contact them directly.
Please refer to the following Questions and Answers for further information.

I am due to fly tomorrow, what should I do?

Unfortunately all flights have been cancelled.
Do not go to the airport unless you have booked a flight with an alternative airline.
If Customers have booked through a code share partner or a booking agent you should contact them directly for assistance.
Our code share partners are Lufthansa, Brussels Airlines, Turkish Airlines, Loganair, Air France and Air Dolomiti.

As my flight has been cancelled who will help me to fly?

The Company is unable to reschedule or rebook alternative flights on behalf of Customers.
Customers will need to make alternative arrangements with a different airline.
If Customers have booked through a code share partner or a booking agent you should contact them directly for assistance.
Our code share partners are Lufthansa, Brussels Airlines, Turkish Airlines, Loganair, Air France and Air Dolomiti.

Who pays for my replacement fight?

The Company is unable to purchase alternative flights for Customers affected. Those affected will have to purchase replacement flights directly with a different airline.
If Customers have booked through a code share partner or a booking agent you should contact them directly.
Our code share partners are Lufthansa, Brussels Airlines, Turkish Airlines, Loganair, Air France and Air Dolomiti.

How do I get my money back for cancelled flights?

The Company is unable to repay Customers for cancelled flights which they have paid for.
There are a number of options available to Customers to consider:

Customers should contact their bank/credit card provider to obtain refunds.
If Customers have booked through a code share partner or a booking agent you should contact them directly (details above).
Customers who have travel insurance should contact their travel insurance provider to understand if they are eligible to claim as a result of the cancelled flights and the procedure for doing so.


Will the Company loan me money to get home or for replacement flights?

The Company is unable to loan Customers money to pay for replacement flights.

I have paid on my credit / debit card, what should I do?

If Customers have made a deposit for or paid for goods or services by credit or debit card and the goods or services are not going to be received by the due date, you may be able to get your money back by claiming a refund from your card issuer.
If you think this may apply to you, you should contact with your card issuer as soon as you can to understand what financial protection you may be entitled to.
Further information (including time limits that may apply) is available from the UK Cards Association Credit and Debit cards: A Consumer Guide www.the ukcardassociation.org.uk.
The contact number for your credit or debit card issuer is likely to be located on the reverse of your card (otherwise it can be found online). The card issuer is the bank which issued the card to you, not the payment processor. For example, if you have an Lloyds MasterCard, the card issuer is Lloyds (not MasterCard).
If you paid by credit card, you may have a claim against your credit card issuer under section 75 of the Consumer Credit Card Act 1974 for the cost of making alternative travel arrangements to return to the UK together with any additional costs reasonably incurred. Section 75 claims are only available in respect of individual flights which each cost over £100 at the time of purchase. However, please contact your credit card issuer for further details on eligibility, which costs may and may not be covered and how to make a claim.

I have had to pay for a hotel and food whilst I have been waiting to return to the UK, how do I get my money back?

As detailed above if you paid by credit card, you may have a claim against your credit card issuer under section 75 of the Consumer Credit Card Act 1974 for the cost of making alternative travel arrangements to return to the UK together with any additional costs reasonably incurred. Section 75 claims are only available in respect of individual flights which each cost over £100 at the time of purchase. However, please contact your credit card issuer for further details on eligibility, which costs may and may not be covered and how to make a claim.
Customers who have travel insurance should contact their travel insurance provider to understand if they are eligible to claim for cancelled flights and the procedure for doing so.
Customers may also have a claim for compensation under EU regulations 261/2004 (see below) for reasonable expenses.

What is EU Regulation 261/2004?

This regulation establishes the common rules on compensation and assistance to passengers in the event of denied boarding and of cancellation or long delay of certain flights within the EU.
If Customers have booked through a code share partner or a booking agent you should contact them directly regarding an alternative flight.
Our code share partners are Lufthansa, Brussels Airlines, Turkish Airlines, Loganair, Air France and Air Dolomiti.
If your flight has been cancelled you may have a statutory right to make a claim for compensation under this regulation.

I have already arranged holiday and annual leave with my employer and made accommodation bookings – what if I can’t find other flights? Will I be compensated for my costs?

If you have paid by credit card you may be able to claim these costs back. Please contact you card issuer regarding this.
Customers who have travel insurance should contact their travel insurance provider to understand if they are eligible to claim as a result of cancelled flights and the procedure for doing so.

[CW247]

Friends do not flinch at an opportunity at the wrong base. Currency is your weapon in this industry. FlyBe, BACF, Stobart, Jota and further afield Air Baltic and Adria... all hiring and desperately need your experience.

[Halfwayback]

https://www.pprune.org/bmi/618474-flybmi-administration.html

[tomahawk98]

What a shame, but all down to the lack of direction at senior level...

Employees weren't even informed (or thanked) until 20 minutes after the public press relase went out, shocking really.

[Webby737]

Thats very sad news,
I flew with them the other week BRU - EMA and rather enjoyed the flight.
Good luck to the guys & girls finding employment elsewhere.

[Stationair8]

A very sad day for the staff.

I used to regularly pax on the ERJ-135 from Manchester to Aberdeen, always seemed to be a well run operation.

[Paulf]

It’s a real sad time for all involved and the industry in general and I hope it works out ok for everyone long term.

BMIR had a good bunch working there - some going back to the old Business Air days.

i wish the best to all - the UK regional scene is fast depleting.

[ironbutt57]

carbon costs, the latter arising from the EU’s recent decision to exclude UK airlines from full participation in the Emissions Trading Scheme.

gotta love it, another EU boondoggle.....

[industry insider]

Does Airline Investments still have same shareholders?

[CaptainProp]

Someone recently for advice on joining BMI vs another airline. One of the conciderations I brought up was the potential issues laying ahead for BMI being a UK operator with a substantial part of it’s operations being between EU countries outside the UK.... Very sad for all the employees but as already mentioned at least there are a lot of companies hiring. Good luck to all of you.

CP

[FlyingApe]

carbon costs, the latter arising from the EU’s recent decision to exclude UK airlines from full participation in the Emissions Trading Scheme.

gotta love it, another EU boondoggle.....

Bull****.

Over £2million in unpaid pax compensation. No crew retention policy, poor resourcing. All blamed on Brexit?
We used to be the most punctual airline in the UK...year on year. Poor management. Fullstop.

[Hockham Admiral]

" The airline carried 522,000 passengers on 29,000 flights in 2018"
Is that a true fact? That equates to EIGHTEEN pax per flight...........
Sorry, guys and gals, many of us have suffered poor management decisions over the years which resulted in job and pension demises.

[dboy]

Brexit, carbon trading schemes etc etc. All bull**** and all preplanned way way in advance. They never had a plan in case of a Brexit. Just a big cover up and poor excuse for their dodgy plan.

The bond brothers......they will just continue.

[industry insider]

The bond brothers......they will just continue.

They have plenty of cash. I don't know what the financial problems with fly BMI are exactly but I am sure the Bonds could regenerate / recapitalise / restructure debt if they wanted to.

[Webby737]

Using the numbers from Wikipedia looks like an average load factor of about ~40%*


*(Maths could be well off)

Sounds about right.
I can only base this assumption on the two mid week flights I took with BMI on the same day, on both flights the aircraft was maybe 30 - 40% full.
Strangely enough, if I didn't work at an airport I would have never known they existed, I never saw or heard any form of advertising or promotion.
This is a real shame, I'm sure with the correct management BMI could (should have !) have been a success.

[Alpine Flyer]

Using the numbers from Wikipedia looks like an average load factor of about ~40%*

Maths seems to be OK, and load factors like these used to be no problem with business fares about a decade ago. When the CRJ was introduced at my then company it reportedly needed 13 seats filled to break even, the other 37 providing profits. Companies happily paid the equivalent of more than 1000 EUR for a return ticket for a 1:15 flight. No carbon tax, less fees (and not to forget lower salaries).

Add higher cost pressure by corporate travel departments and availability of low-fare "next door" with people weighing the inconvenience of a 1-2 hour drive to the airport against a business fare as well as the increase in high-speed rail across Europe and the niche for regionals gets ever smaller. Not many true independent regionals remain and the advantage the UK enjoyed with all the water around making air travel the only option in many cases diminishes as its economic future is clouded over Brexit.

I found the figure of less than 400 staff interesting for an airline this size. Seems rather lean.

[C195]

I found the figure of less than 400 staff interesting for an airline this size. Seems rather lean.

It does seem to be lean. Anyone know how many pilots they employed?

[DaveReidUK]

BBC lunchtime news illustrating their feature on flyBMI with library shots of a BMI A319.

Bless. :O

[FlyingApe]

It does seem to be lean. Anyone know how many pilots they employed?


About 125. Never stable.

[Richard Taylor]

Least it wasn't a DC9!!

Loganair are picking up the ABZ routes to BRS, EBJ & OSL from 4 March. Almost as if the sister company saw it coming….. :O

[Icanseeclearly]

Not sure Loganair have the aircraft to just pick the routes up, hopefully it will mean they will take some of Flybmi’s aircraft crews and engineers. The fact they operate the Embraer should make it fairly straightforward to achieve this.

[NoelEvans]

Looks Bad. Think I might be at the Job centre Monday. :-(

...

Do exactly that on Monday. And convince everyone else to do so too. If that next job takes a little too long, the Job Centre will be able to provide that reference that might be very important for your "last X-number of years" reference trail.

A good bunch of pilots and cabin crew there, I hope that you all get new jobs soon enough that you don't need that Job Centre reference to fill the gap. Good luck to all of you.

[ManaAdaSystem]

So when is (was) payday in Flybmi?
Did they shut down just in time to avoid paying their staff?

I second whoever said this airline must be one of the best kept secrets in the aviation world. I have seen their aircraft from time to time, but have no idea where they used to fly.

[Mr Angry from Purley]

So when is (was) payday in Flybmi?
Did they shut down just in time to avoid paying their staff?

I second whoever said this airline must be one of the best kept secrets in the aviation world. I have seen their aircraft from time to time, but have no idea where they used to fly.
Mid month almost definitely - I worked for an Airline that went bust i got the pay slip but no money in the bank. I suspect as usual the Pilots and Mx will get gobbled up quickly, for Cabin Crew and Office Staff - not a good time. Best wishes to you all.

[switch_on_lofty]

Almost definitely mid-month?
Not in the months I worked there. It was the last working day of the month.

[ShyTorque]

Least it wasn't a DC9!!

The accuracy of the BBC news seems to be getting ever worse. The first few news items about the A380 production coming to an end incuded images of an aircraft that actually had "Airbus A320" emblazoned down the side...

[Hotel Tango]

An honest question: Without feeder contracts with one or more majors, can an airline make money with a fleet of EMB-145s? I was once told that they were pretty cheap to operate, but that was many many moons ago.

[RexBanner]

The accuracy of the BBC news seems to be getting ever worse. The first few news items about the A380 production coming to an end incuded images of an aircraft that actually had "Airbus A320" emblazoned down the side...

The thing is with the media that if they’re that this misinformed and/or ignorant about aviation matters then you have to assume there’s a good chance that this level of ignorance corresponds across the board to all of their other “news”. It’s a pretty damning indictment of what they shove down our throats on a daily basis.

[andrewn]

Sounds about right.
I can only base this assumption on the two mid week flights I took with BMI on the same day, on both flights the aircraft was maybe 30 - 40% full.
Strangely enough, if I didn't work at an airport I would have never known they existed, I never saw or heard any form of advertising or promotion.
This is a real shame, I'm sure with the correct management BMI could (should have !) have been a success.

Same here - I (wrongly) assumed that BMI/flyBMI had both disappeared a good few years ago.

Presumably this failure has to be good news for flybe, at least?

[hard_landing]

I’d say their sister airline Loganair will hoover up the pilots and engineers to fly the Embraer 135 and 145 that were transferred to Loganair a few months ago. In fact I’m fairly sure that some of the routes that BMIR were flying up until this week will now be flown by Loganair.

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

Three FLYBMI aircraft arrived Norwich 16th February for storage.

[solent]

Call me a cynic but, the sister company just happens to be able the next day after FlyBMI’s demise to offer some of the routes it used to do.

The sister company over the last few months just happens to take on the E135/E145 type to its AOC and took 2 aircraft plus support from said sister company and are now fully up and running then the owners who own the sister company put FlyBMI down.

This has been in the planning for a while and the poor staff have paid for it with their jobs. Let’s hope they all get new jobs as fast as humanly possible.

Really poor from the owners. Good luck all.

[ivor toolbox]

Call me a cynic but, the sister company just happens to be able the next day after FlyBMI’s demise to offer some of the routes it used to do.

The sister company over the last few months just happens to take on the E135/E145 type to its AOC and took 2 aircraft plus support from said sister company and are now fully up and running then the owners who own the sister company put FlyBMI down.

This has been in the planning for a while and the poor staff have paid for it with their jobs. Let’s hope they all get new jobs as fast as humanly possible.

Really poor from the owners. Good luck all.


Cynic, maybe, but you might have just hit the proverbial nail on the head. All seems too convenient.

Ttfn

[nightfright]

To lay the blame on brexit and the rest is totally gob****e.....these issues were well known to them for years... and no planning to avoid. The flights were simply too expensive with no commercial direction for the company on what they were offering and market, was the clear cause of the demise and poor staff pay the price......

they were looking for self sponsored crews 2 weeks back - surely they know well before then where they were heading!

[Alpine Flyer]

but let's not kid ourselves that the underlying problems are the iniquitous taxes and penalties forced on airlines and pax (and in other industries too) in the misguided, erroneous, all time gargantuan myth called man made global warming.

Brexit will have harmed them more than carbon taxes. I don't know where and how long you have lived on this planet. I can only remember close to half a century and even discounting that as a kid I might have felt the cold a bit more with less fat for insulation, winters were longer and colder 45 years ago. We used to have continuous snow cover around the city for at least a couple of weeks every year, while it all melts away now after a day or two. Ski resorts in the mountains used to have snow without lots of expensive equipment to make it themselves. It's pretty obvious to me that there is global warming.

[hard_landing]

Call me a cynic but, the sister company just happens to be able the next day after FlyBMI’s demise to offer some of the routes it used to do.

The sister company over the last few months just happens to take on the E135/E145 type to its AOC and took 2 aircraft plus support from said sister company and are now fully up and running then the owners who own the sister company put FlyBMI down.

This has been in the planning for a while and the poor staff have paid for it with their jobs. Let’s hope they all get new jobs as fast as humanly possible.

Really poor from the owners. Good luck all.



I hear there are a lot of the pilots being offered jobs with Loganair (100+) and that induction courses are starting VERY soon for them

[deltahotel]

Back on topic. DHL still recruiting, possibly for EMA.

[Doug E Style]

This thread is about Flybmi closing down. Climate change arguments belong elsewhere.

[Bucket]

Not sure Loganair have the aircraft to just pick the routes up, hopefully it will mean they will take some of Flybmi’s aircraft crews and engineers. The fact they operate the Embraer should make it fairly straightforward to achieve this.

They were Ex BMI aircraft to start with!

[INKJET]

Rumour has it that the ERJ positioned back into Norwich and they had already started the repaint to Logan air colours before midnight, Logan air parent company also owned flybmi.

Likewise two senior flybmi ABZ based trainers started their employment with Logan Air the very next day.

Regional flying is no longer viable in most of the UK, a combination of high APD which they catch on both legs, what demand there is in early and late in the day, meaning two lots of crews doing at best 2 or 3 sectors a day, something that pushes up the cost to amongst the highest in the industry in this country at least.
Sure there is money to be made flying between the likes of EDI LGW/LHR but not on a 50 seater.

[mikehammer]

A spokesperson for Loganair said: ‘Loganair and Flybmi, which has unfortunately ceased trading, are two completely separate companies with different booking systems. Due to strict rules around data protection, Loganair is unable to access Flybmi’s passenger details or payment information.’

Yet they managed to speak to and recruit the very next day??? I wonder how they got contact details of staff 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[mikehammer]

Full article here

https://www.which.co.uk/news/2019/02/five-flybmi-routes-taken-over-by-loganair-which-is-also-owned-by-airline-investments-limited/

[ifu05596]

Not sure why so much negativity on Loganair here. They were always due to receive one more of each so it could have been one of those. Additionally it’s my understanding that bmi regional leased the aircraft from the parent (as they received cash for them years ago) so AIL is now simply leasing them to Loganair - nothing funny going on there. Given they are in the same group I’m happy that it got moving so quickly, wouldn’t want the employees to be left in limbo while waiting for the legals.

i say smart move re staffing, why not? You can find a lot of people on LinkedIn and by lifting the phone, no need to be accessing HR records...

Suggesting the Loganair directors knew that bmi regional was trading insolvently is quite serious and I highly doubt that to be the case. As far as I can see they are run as autonomous businesses. Much like Dorothy Perkins and Topshop in Arcadia and Iberia and BA in IAG.

[Hotel Tango]

People see conspiracies everywhere. It's really quite tiring! :zzz:

[mikehammer]

. .....You can find a lot of people on LinkedIn and by lifting the phone, no need to be accessing HR records...


Who suggested that?

[ifu05596]

Who suggested that?
It was my interpretation of your post actually. I read it as a rhetorical question over Loganair's procurement of staff details. Apologies if I misunderstood.

[750XL]

BMI was a small airline, it didn't take long for word to pass round that Loganair were willing to take people on...

[Blackfriar]

Rumour has it that the ERJ positioned back into Norwich and they had already started the repaint to Logan air colours before midnight, Logan air parent company also owned flybmi.

Likewise two senior flybmi ABZ based trainers started their employment with Logan Air the very next day.

Regional flying is no longer viable in most of the UK, a combination of high APD which they catch on both legs, what demand there is in early and late in the day, meaning two lots of crews doing at best 2 or 3 sectors a day, something that pushes up the cost to amongst the highest in the industry in this country at least.
Sure there is money to be made flying between the likes of EDI LGW/LHR but not on a 50 seater.

you say there is no demand early and late, yet I fly BRS-BFS out at 0700 and back at 2145, sometimes later. That’s a 320 or 319, double or triple daily and competing with services from BHX and EXT as well. If it didn’t make money Easy wouldn’t fly it. So that’s four sectors plus whatever the aircraft does in between. No point flying Scotland to MAN or BHX as the train is quicker when you account for security and parking and taxis and you can work for 4 hours on the train.

[mikehammer]

It was my interpretation of your post actually. I read it as a rhetorical question over Loganair's procurement of staff details. Apologies if I misunderstood.

Thank goodness for interpretation being inadmissible 😀

Apologies accepted. 😉

[NutLoose]

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7915/47166746172_ac05c82102_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eRXUnA)

[Deep and fast]

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7915/47166746172_ac05c82102_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eRXUnA)
Like business air all over again. Just missing the Granite call sign...

[Bueno Hombre]

"middle of nowhere" might be nice.
Think and go back to our young dreams of being a pilot.

[red9]

That has to be the cheapest brand name change ever - they couldnt even be bothered to match the blue paint colour.... maybe even just two pieces of blue vinyl from a hardware shop..... and " Scotlands Airline" , with the union flag still on the tail ?????

[kkbuk]

That has to be the cheapest brand name change ever - they couldnt even be bothered to match the blue paint colour.... maybe even just two pieces of blue vinyl from a hardware shop..... and " Scotlands Airline" , with the union flag still on the tail ?????

As I seem to remember it, Scotland is still part of the union!

[Cat Techie]

That has to be the cheapest brand name change ever - they couldnt even be bothered to match the blue paint colour.... maybe even just two pieces of blue vinyl from a hardware shop..... and " Scotlands Airline" , with the union flag still on the tail ?????


I can hear a pilot talking.. Whom knows sod all about ATA 11. Rebranding airframes costs a small fortune. Bigger than your ego.

[Cat Techie]

Given the circumstances and almost overnight acquisition of these aircraft and routes I would highly doubt that this is permanent and will be a decal to avoid flying around with flyBMI on the side. They used decals on their leased saab 2000's which were identical so probably had these lying around. You can safely bet that these aircraft will soon be sent to the paint shop properly to have the full Loganair livery on it.
I would agree with your logic.

[NGAviation]

Loganair are picking up most of Flybmi's routes + recruiting staff, seems to be a good move for an airline that is attempting to grow its operations

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Given the circumstances and almost overnight acquisition of these aircraft and routes I would highly doubt that this is permanent and will be a decal to avoid flying around with flyBMI on the side.

Overnight, or a week or so in the run up? Genuine question.

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BBC News - Failed airline FlyBMI 'owed £37m' when it collapsed, say administrators
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48071724

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What FlyBMI routes are now gone? (Ie not taken over by another carrier?)