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wheels_down
16th Feb 2019, 06:03
In light of the China events last week it seems our Kiwi friends run into more trouble.

As it was approaching Iran, they would not permit the A321 to overfly so itís gone back to Germany.

Luckily had had the fuel to return, diverting into Iran would most likely result in nice new fresh airbus parts for our Iranian aviators!

crosscutter
16th Feb 2019, 08:24
In light of the China events last week it seems our Kiwi friends run into more trouble.

As it was approaching Iran, they would not permit the A321 to overfly so itís gone back to Germany.

Luckily had had the fuel to return, diverting into Iran would most likely result in nice new fresh airbus parts for our Iranian aviators!

I donít know where to start...so I wonít

Capt Fathom
16th Feb 2019, 08:57
Someone forgot to pay the bill for the overflight! It’s happened before, and it will happen again. No big deal, but an expensive error!

Capn Bloggs
16th Feb 2019, 10:07
Didn't realise those 321s had the range to do Germany - UnZed. They'll really give the NMA a run for it's money! :}

PoppaJo
16th Feb 2019, 13:53
First time forgiven, second time Tea and Biscuits with the CEO! Good luck to that person.

AerocatS2A
16th Feb 2019, 18:09
Presumably a delivery flight, if true.

seven3seven
16th Feb 2019, 21:10
Why not just go through Iraq instead?

empacher48
17th Feb 2019, 05:35
I believe NZ use a ferry company to fly their aircraft out from Europe. If thatís the case itís not NZís problem, but the ferry company.

6080ft
17th Feb 2019, 06:18
The new A321 and A320s are being delivered by Air Nz pilots. There’s already been 3 successful A321 deliveries.

Ken Borough
17th Feb 2019, 06:30
Securing the appropriate overflight clearances and then routeing/flight planning/operating in accordance with those clearances is not exactly rocket science!

compressor stall
17th Feb 2019, 06:55
No Ken, but it might not be the first time that something got lost in translation at the receiving county's end. Correctly submitted paperwork can acquire errors. From first hand experience, the aircraft type was changed (at their end, the submitted paperwork was correct) and I had overflight clearance denied in flight despite having correct clearance numbers to hand. Fortunately it was easy to fly around and had the gas...

601
17th Feb 2019, 12:12
Securing the appropriate overflight clearances and then routeing/flight planning/operating in accordance with those clearances is not exactly rocket science!

I have experienced a refusal even though we could quote the applicable clearance details.

Look Mum - no hands
17th Feb 2019, 22:22
The new A321 and A320s are being delivered by Air Nz pilots. Thereís already been 3 successful A321 deliveries.
3 out of 4 ain't bad I guess!

Okihara
17th Feb 2019, 22:36
For the less initiated amongst us, can anyone shed light on what happened with Air NZ and China?

Also: Are Iranians known for confiscating aircraft that overfly?

Chris2303
17th Feb 2019, 22:53
For the less initiated amongst us, can anyone shed light on what happened with Air NZ and China?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12202496

27/09
18th Feb 2019, 08:50
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12202496 (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12202496)
Actually I don't think that article asked the right people, an aviation commentator and a veteran instructor?

I rather suspect it was more China flexing it's muscles than a paper work error. Probably under normal circumstances the paper work could have been easily rectified without any need for a turn back. China's not happy with any of the Five Eyes group of countries (banning Huawei from 5G projects) and saw an opportunity to make a point.

Air New Zealand had to take it on the chin, as saying anything different was likely to cause more pain.

As for the refusal by Iran for an overflight permission, once again possibly politics at play. Haven't we all (most of the western world) agreed to sanctions on Iran? Perhaps they were getting one back.

After all one of the major shareholders in Air New Zealand is the New Zealand government.. A hit at Air New Zealand might be seen as a hit at the New Zealand government.

RevMan2
19th Feb 2019, 03:54
It was a paperwork error.
China requires every aircraft operating to Chinese airports to be pre-registered with the authorities.
This aircraft wasn't and hadn't - up until last week - operated to China, being a config developed for the N. American market.
Someone dropped the ball.

Going Boeing
19th Feb 2019, 08:08
Why not just go through Iraq instead?

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1806x1339/23c066ab_f008_485d_b1d3_5f62103a9293_747f52d8e2707e8b0aff7f0 ceffdb39ed6249a55.jpeg
Itís an interesting area to fly through.

Capt Fathom
19th Feb 2019, 08:56
What is the source of that map G Boeing?
The red areas is where all of the Asia-Europe traffic now transverses??

Going Boeing
19th Feb 2019, 17:20
It’s a snapshot of what the Jeppeson App is currently showing.