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[nowhereasfiled]

Morning folks,

I have an assessment with SAS in Oslo in the coming weeks having applied through their “open application”. I was just wondering if anybody has more information regarding the assessment process, and any information regarding life as a 320/1 F/O at SAS, pay, roster, general ts&cs.

As a relatively low hour F/O in the U.K, the opportunity to go to a legacy carrier seems like an opportunity I shouldn’t miss.

Any advice and information is welcome, thanks in advance :ok:

[sellect]

You are going to fly the 737 if based in Oslo, at least for the next few years. Fleet renewal in progress to 320. It´s very hard to change base, so be sure you want to be based in Oslo.
PPJN is fairly uptodate on the terms.

And Scandi language is still mandatory, but guess you are Norwegian?

[nowhereasfiled]

You are going to fly the 737 if based in Oslo, at least for the next few years. Fleet renewal in progress to 320. It´s very hard to change base, so be sure you want to be based in Oslo.
PPJN is fairly uptodate on the terms.

And Scandi language is still mandatory, but guess you are Norwegian?

Thank you for your reply, that’s very annoying as I’d much prefer to stick with Airbuses. I’m a Norwegian by birth so the language is not a problem.

Looking at PPJN, the wage, considering the cost of living in Norway, is really quite bad!
Would a veteran please correct me if I am wrong but I get the feeling opportunities like this may not arise too often so I’m kind of in two minds

[2unlimited]

Thank you for your reply, that’s very annoying as I’d much prefer to stick with Airbuses. I’m a Norwegian by birth so the language is not a problem.

Looking at PPJN, the wage, considering the cost of living in Norway, is really quite bad!
Would a veteran please correct me if I am wrong but I get the feeling opportunities like this may not arise too often so I’m kind of in two minds

I think you need to think of this long term, where are you now and where do you want to go. Lifestyle etc, where you want to live, as you discover that eventually there is much more to life than working and commuting.
SAS is of course not what it used to be in the old glory days, "legacy" carriers are not always the best options these days for lifestyle. So it all depends, if you want to live in Norway in the future, it's probably your best option. Pay might not be great in the start, but if it gets you where you want to be, that is the most important aspect.

[Life on top]

Thank you for your reply, that’s very annoying as I’d much prefer to stick with Airbuses. I’m a Norwegian by birth so the language is not a problem.

Looking at PPJN, the wage, considering the cost of living in Norway, is really quite bad!
Would a veteran please correct me if I am wrong but I get the feeling opportunities like this may not arise too often so I’m kind of in two minds


The pay is quite bad, hence most of the guys joining now are guys straight out of flight school.

[172_driver]

The pay is quite bad, hence most of the guys joining now are guys straight out of flight school.

Eh... no, the majority is not straight outta school.

[directmisbi]

Eh... no, the majority is not straight outta school.

Do remember that ryanair also counts as a flightschool...

[FarewellFire]

As SAS are currently on their way to get rid of their 737 fleet in favour of the A320 you don´t have to worry about having to switch to the Boeing - they want and prefer A320 pilots!. The assessment is done on the worst sim I have seen and been in. It´s a fixed base that feels (and looks) like it was built by a drunk chimp. Entry level salaries are around 3500 EUR before scandinavian tax (about 30%) and they will work you hard (this according to themselves).

Good luck.

[anderse]

they want and prefer A320 pilots!

Not quite true.
SAS does not necessarily preferring eighter A320 or 737-pilots.
If you are the right guy, with the correct attitude and skills, they will hire you without any typerating at all. Scandipilots with 1000 hrs+ can expect interview.

In the future, we will most likely see SAS recruiting lowtimers straight out of flightschools, due to the relative high number of pilots retiring the next 10+ years.

[Life on top]

Not quite true.
SAS does not necessarily preferring eighter A320 or 737-pilots.
If you are the right guy, with the correct attitude and skills, they will hire you without any typerating at all. Scandipilots with 1000 hrs+ can expect interview.

In the future, we will most likely see SAS recruiting lowtimers straight out of flightschools, due to the relative high number of pilots retiring the next 10+ years.

The future is already here as they are taking a bunch of guys straight out of flight school (and not only Ryanair flight school). Be aware if you are seeking job in Scandiland, they have already hired 300 new pilots since 2013 so the way to the right seat is a long one. I believe it will be direct entry captains before the newest pilots gets their upgrade due to the low level of experience of the pilots joining now. But that is still at least 5-10 years away and only a good guess of mine as they are quite commited to the senority list as of now.

[anderse]

Be aware if you are seeking job in Scandiland, they have already hired 300 new pilots since 2013 so the way to the right seat is a long one. I believe it will be direct entry captains before the newest pilots gets their upgrade due to the low level of experience of the pilots joining now. But that is still at least 5-10 years away and only a good guess of mine as they are quite commited to the senority list as of now.


As you say, SAS have hired 300 new pilots since 2013. But you also forget that SAS did not employ a single pilot between 2001 and 2013. There is a huge gap in the demography, and there is expected that approximately 900 of the current 1600 pilots will retire the next ten years in SAS. It's impossible to say how long to get an upgrade, but it will for sure be a quick upgrade for anyone who want to work and live in Scandinavia - if they start now!


https://www.nrk.no/norge/trenger-hundrevis-av-piloter-i-arene-som-kommer-1.14019104

– De siste tre til fire årene har SAS rekruttert om lag 300 piloter. Men på grunn av stor pensjonsavgang trenger vi mellom 100–150 piloter årlig fra 2020, sier Knut Morten Johansen, kommunikasjonsdirektør i SAS. Det betyr at SAS i løpet av de neste ti årene trenger mellom 1000 og 1500 piloter, bare på grunn av pensjonsavgang. I tillegg kommer piloter for å ekspandere, påpeker Johansen.

[172_driver]

I believe it will be direct entry captains before the newest pilots gets their upgrade due to the low level of experience of the pilots joining now.

You're so full of sh*t. I doubt you're a colleague of mine.

[ihatemorningflights]

Hej!

I am interested in SAS pilot recruitment process, contract, roster, salary. Anybody has any fresh information about it? I am A320 type rated and applied for FO position but no reply yet.

[saab340pilot87]

Hej!

I am interested in SAS pilot recruitment process, contract, roster, salary. Anybody has any fresh information about it? I am A320 type rated and applied for FO position but no reply yet.

I'm sorry, but this add on the SAS Career site is for the SAS Connect, and not Main line. Regarding the Connect T/Cs, don't worry, it's low salaries, variable roster (not commutable) and with a season flexibility option which is a one way agreement for the best for SAS. If you're a Swedish, or Stockholm based, it's possible to accept the T/Cs. But I would stay away if you're not already a Stockholm based pilot.

[ihatemorningflights]

I'm sorry, but this add on the SAS Career site is for the SAS Connect, and not Main line. Regarding the Connect T/Cs, don't worry, it's low salaries, variable roster (not commutable) and with a season flexibility option which is a one way agreement for the best for SAS. If you're a Swedish, or Stockholm based, it's possible to accept the T/Cs. But I would stay away if you're not already a Stockholm based pilot.

Thanks for the reply. Good to know. How low is salary? Do you have any numbers maybe for FO and CPT avarege monthly? What is season flexibility option? Is there a way to upgrade from SAS Connect to Mainline later?

[saab340pilot87]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/760x281/salary_8c0fd5608e4009bb6b7cd1d52eeab07ef70f8068.jpg
Here's the Salary, it's in SEK. The different steps are; 1-2 years, 3-4 years and so on. If you're a direct entry captain then add 19.000SEK. You'll receive roughly 10.000SEK on top of this, thanks to duty hours payment.
Season flexibility is, as far as I understand, possible for SAS with just the next months roster release, degrade your hire% down with 15% during 5 months.
Regarding an upgrade to mainline, this is not possible. It's a completely different seniority list and the list for re-hires into mainline is quite long (roughly 450 pilots are waiting to be re-hired).

[ihatemorningflights]

Any new info about SAS Connect A320 jobs?
I applied for A320 FO position in CPH. I saw the TC and salary does not seem the best.

Could somebody give more realistic info about roster, salary, lifestyle, base change possibility, upgrade time and assessment procedure?

Thanks!

[JimT87]

Think very carefully before going somewhere.
You need to make sure the culture is right

[pilotgeo]

Is anyone in this forum currently working for SAS Connect and based in CPH and could be troubled with a few questions?

[ihatemorningflights]

Is anyone in this forum currently working for SAS Connect and based in CPH and could be troubled with a few questions?

Yeah, would be nice to hear about SAS Connect position in CPH.