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ORAC
10th Feb 2019, 06:38
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/08/us/shannon-kent-military-spy.html


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Ewan Whosearmy
10th Feb 2019, 07:00
Incredible lady. Too bad the NY Times has decided to use her to play its identity politics game.

tartare
10th Feb 2019, 08:53
I just thought she was an outstanding fallen fighter who deserved some respect.
I was actually going to post her story here - and was glad to see someone had already.
What do you mean by `identity politics game'?

Harley Quinn
10th Feb 2019, 08:57
Why does the name patch read 'Smith'?

FlightlessParrot
10th Feb 2019, 09:02
Incredible lady. Too bad the NY Times has decided to use her to play its identity politics game.
I would have thought that the fact that a woman worked up close with Special Forces was, simply, newsworthy. It also seems that some characteristics that are conventionally regarded as feminine were an asset (interviewing skills). After the remark about "identity politics" I thought I would find out that the deceased was a trans woman, but she was cis, hetero, and a mother. I see no sign of identity politics there. Just a recognition of a remarkable, and unexpected, kind of soldiering.

TLDNMCL
10th Feb 2019, 09:11
Why does the name patch read 'Smith'?
Maiden name, perhaps.

Wander00
10th Feb 2019, 10:51
Utmost respect. RIP. DCO

TEEEJ
10th Feb 2019, 12:26
Why does the name patch read 'Smith'?

Smith was CPO Kent's maiden name.

https://eu.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/news/local/2019/01/18/dutchess-navy-sailor-killed-syria-remembered-pine-plains-community/2613691002/

Lyneham Lad
10th Feb 2019, 17:42
Also in The Sunday Times.
US heroine Shannon Kent was ‘one stop shop for finding bad guys’ (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/us-heroine-shannon-kent-was-one-stop-shop-for-finding-bad-guys-v0hkvbh6w?shareToken=5fcd622e22f07995a8d62802697c6e07)

RIP.

TheWestCoast
10th Feb 2019, 19:13
It's because everything in the United States has to be turned into a political football.

Training Risky
10th Feb 2019, 20:13
I would have thought that the fact that a woman worked up close with Special Forces was, simply, newsworthy.
But how can it be newsworthy when women have been given official recognition for attached-arms roles since the Crimean War? The media should move past it.

tartare
10th Feb 2019, 21:09
But how can it be newsworthy when women have been given official recognition for attached-arms roles since the Crimean War? The media should move past it.

Oh for goodness sake - do some research and use some critical thinking.
The whole `don't call out women' trope is as tired as the `don't speculate on the cause of the accident' bollocks.
She was a very notable soldier.
All branches of the military everywhere are still predominantly male.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_military_by_country
Take Australia for example.

All roles in the Australian Defence Force are open to women. The first women became involved with the Australian armed forces with the creation of the Army Nursing Service in 1899. On the 30th of June 2017, women were found to make up 16.5% of the Australian Defence Force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Defence_Force) (with 20.6% in the Royal Australian Air Force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Australian_Air_Force), 20.4% in the Royal Australian Navy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Australian_Navy) and 13.2% in the Australian Army (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Army)).[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_military_by_country#cite_note-Women_in_the_ADF_Report_2016-2017-10) However, up until 2016, only 74% of the total number of available roles in the Australian armed forces were available to women. Despite this, using 1998-99 figures, the ADF had the highest percentage of women in its employ in the world.[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_military_by_country#cite_note-aph.gov.au-11) In 1998, Australia became the fourth nation in the world to allow women to serve on its submarines.

Australia was the fourth country to permit female crew on submarines, doing so in June 1998 on board Collins class submarines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collins_class_submarine). Australia's first deployment of female sailors in a combat zone was aboard HMAS Westralia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Westralia_(O_195)) in the Persian Gulf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf) during the 1991 Gulf War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War).

On 27 September 2011, Defence Minister Stephen Smith announced that women will be allowed to serve in frontline combat roles by 2016.[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_military_by_country#cite_note-12)

So, in my view, women are still vastly in the minority, and deserve to be recognised and called out
Especially really outstanding ones like CPO Kent..

Training Risky
10th Feb 2019, 22:02
Oh for goodness sake - do some research and use some critical thinking.
The whole `don't call out women' trope is as tired as the `don't speculate on the cause of the accident' bollocks.
She was a very notable soldier.
All branches of the military everywhere are still predominantly male.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_military_by_country
Take Australia for example.

All roles in the Australian Defence Force are open to women. The first women became involved with the Australian armed forces with the creation of the Army Nursing Service in 1899. On the 30th of June 2017, women were found to make up 16.5% of the Australian Defence Force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Defence_Force) (with 20.6% in the Royal Australian Air Force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Australian_Air_Force), 20.4% in the Royal Australian Navy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Australian_Navy) and 13.2% in the Australian Army (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Army)).[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_military_by_country#cite_note-Women_in_the_ADF_Report_2016-2017-10) However, up until 2016, only 74% of the total number of available roles in the Australian armed forces were available to women. Despite this, using 1998-99 figures, the ADF had the highest percentage of women in its employ in the world.[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_military_by_country#cite_note-aph.gov.au-11) In 1998, Australia became the fourth nation in the world to allow women to serve on its submarines.

Australia was the fourth country to permit female crew on submarines, doing so in June 1998 on board Collins class submarines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collins_class_submarine). Australia's first deployment of female sailors in a combat zone was aboard HMAS Westralia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Westralia_(O_195)) in the Persian Gulf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf) during the 1991 Gulf War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War).

On 27 September 2011, Defence Minister Stephen Smith announced that women will be allowed to serve in frontline combat roles by 2016.[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_military_by_country#cite_note-12)

So, in my view, women are still vastly in the minority, and deserve to be recognised and called out
Especially really outstanding ones like CPO Kent..
That's a non-sequitur if ever I saw one. Yes they are in the minority due to specific physiological and psychological reasons, but that does not justify the 'calling out' (to use the language of the twatterati) everytime one dies on Ops. When I was in Basra nobody who mattered was shouting out about how amazingly modern and progressive the nominal roll was. Years of campaigning for equal treatment by the social engineering brigade has resulted in just that: all combat roles are now open; while the Infantry training course at Catterick has just been watered down. Read here if you dont want to believe it:

SOLDIER FEB 2019 (http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/3c7c5b26#/3c7c5b26/30)

How's that for critical thinking?