View Full Version : PA46 F-GUYZ Hits a snowbank at Courchevel Altiport
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A friend who is in Courchevel posted this. Looks like it had come in from TNF - https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-guyz#1f6f0786
Hopefully the snow was soft and there isn't too much damage.
dsc810
8th Feb 2019, 17:29
Two very good quality video's from different angles of the whole incident are available on this page
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=221641
Well we're F.....d GUYZ now......
what next
8th Feb 2019, 19:51
Two very good quality video's from different angles of the whole incident are available on this page...
I like the way the guys are cheering when the plane hits the snow bank... reminds me of the crowd that gathers at the "Nordschleife" of the "Nürburgring" on Saturday afternoons when ordinary people are allowed to smash their family cars into the guard rails (YouTube is full of relevant videos, there even exists a full length movie that played in cinemas some years ago).
Isn't there a requirement for special training at Courchevel? Where they teach you that landing long and fast is no good there? Luckily no serious injuries in this case other than to the unfortunate aeroplane.
Pilot DAR
8th Feb 2019, 20:16
Luckily no serious injuries in this case
I sure hope so! But my experience tells me that hit was a lot harder on the occupants than it looked from the videos!
ATC Watcher
9th Feb 2019, 06:51
There were unfortunately some injuries, one bad . and yes, you need special qualification /rating to use altiports in France. and Courchevel is restricted use to holder of that mountain rating.
Coming in too fast on an icy and sloped runway is not what they teach you in that rating.
jimjim1
9th Feb 2019, 10:32
Hopefully the snow was soft and there isn't too much damage.
I have spent a bit of time on Alpine slopes and those snowbanks look like hard lumps of ice covered with a dusting of snow. On skis you keep well away from them. I seem to recall finding that out the hard way, although without serious injury - ouch!
ATC Watcher
9th Feb 2019, 12:04
Less than inspiring airport response! how do you know ?
You know if this happened during the opening hours of the AFIS agent ? (published by NOTAM) , if not then it is only RFFS level 1.. Courchevel is not a controlled airport .
DaveReidUK
9th Feb 2019, 13:12
There were unfortunately some injuries, one bad.
The French media have been reporting four on board with only minor injuries plus one uninjured. Hopefully they are correct.
https://www.ledauphine.com/savoie/2019/02/08/courchevel-l-avion-rate-son-atterrissage-quatre-blesses
That said, if anyone has been seriously injured I would expect it to be the pilot. That was quite some deceleration when the aircraft hit the berm, suggesting that it was pretty solid underneath. It wouldn't be surprising if he/she had hit their head on the coaming, notwithstanding their harness. Even worse would be the impact pushing the engine back through the firewall.
Pilot DAR
9th Feb 2019, 13:38
Let's not overlook the injuries a person can sustain from the seatbelts themselves. Even if each occupant were held exactly in the intended position by their seatbelts, they can still be seriously injured by seatbelt forces alone. Of course, such injuries are better than those which would have been sustained by not being restrained. That was a hard hit.
rog747
9th Feb 2019, 14:02
I believe Tyrolean used to fly a 50 seater Dash 7 in there https://youtu.be/55SswKIn18A
The airport https://youtu.be/r8mQhHhorQ8
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/570x378/dash_7_tyrolean_anflug_courchevel_foto_red_blog_aua_9ec018f0 aa80388d905dd7e56cfe5794cce63a6a.jpg
Dash 7 final to the airport
Today's' crash hit hard - hope all will be after that 'bump'
ATC Watcher
22nd Feb 2019, 12:15
The BEA issued a bulletin : aircraft touched down after half of the down sloped part of the runway (*) and despite "energetic" braking by pilot could not stop before end runway. 4 injured (light) and major damage on aircraft .
(*) my note : means around 200m left and going 18% . No chance , but to be fair it had passed as well since long the no-go around point. Going around would have been far worse.
Makes me wonder if the pilot was really qualified to land there. There will be an full Annex13-type report later.
jimjim1
22nd Feb 2019, 20:41
The BEA issued a bulletin :
Very brief -
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bea.aero%2Findex.php%3Fid%3D40%26news%3D 20591&sandbox=1
https://www.bea.aero/index.php?id=40&news=20591
Ant T
22nd Feb 2019, 21:45
(*) my note : means around 200m left and going 18% down
ATCwatcher - guess you know, but your comment makes it sound as if he was landing down the 18% slope - Courchevel is a one way strip, land uphill, takeoff downhill. He was definitely going up the hill when he touched down!
ATC Watcher
23rd Feb 2019, 19:57
ATCwatcher - guess you know, but your comment makes it sound as if he was landing down the 18% slope - Courchevel is a one way strip, land uphill, takeoff downhill. He was definitely going up the hill when he touched down!
Thanks for the note, you are correct my quote was confusing , I corrected it. Of course landing 22 is mandatory in LFLJ.
parkfell
8th Dec 2021, 07:28
The BEA (AAIB) reported on this French accident which has all the hallmarks of a non AOC.
Fortunately no one was killed
Worth a close look through Google.
DaveReidUK
8th Dec 2021, 08:53
Runway overrun during landing, collision with a mound of snow (bea.aero) (https://www.bea.aero/fileadmin/user_upload/BEA2019-0041.en.pdf)
Amazing reading. Talk about inexperience.
Video of the accident here...
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=221641
jimjim1
12th Dec 2021, 15:34
Video of the accident here...
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=221641
I couldn't find it. There is one here (with comedy sound track).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7CGh4C8-F0
aerotech07
12th Dec 2021, 19:46
Just 18 days after the N264DB accident that tragically killed Sala and the pilot. Similar aircraft, and I guess similar operation in a "grey" area of the law.
Reported io the Sala thread, apparently passengers on F-GUYZ thought the flight had something to do with AF/KLM! PA-46 accident passengers wrongly believed they were flying with airline | News – Intecaerospace (https://www.intecaerospace.com/?p=9263)
First_Principal
12th Dec 2021, 20:25
At least he didn't try to go around late in the landing, that mound ahead looks like it could have got even more messy in that instance.