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Cyclic Hotline
2nd Feb 2019, 14:34
He has been in two helicopter crashes in 7 months - this part is probably worthy of an analysis!
https://punchng.com/osinbajo-escapes-second-air-crash-in-seven-months/
Eniola Akinkuotu, Abuja
The helicopter conveying Vice-President Yemi Osinbajo crash-landed in the Kabba area of Kogi State on Saturday.
The Vice President’s media aide, Laolu Akande, however, said no one was hurt
A tweet by Akande read: “VP Osinbajo’s chopper crash lands in Kabba, but he and the entire crew safe. He is continuing with his engagements and plans for the day in Kogi State.”
The incident is the second air mishap that Osinbajo would escape in seven months.
On June 7, 2018, a chopper that was to convey Osinbajo from the Nigeria Customs Command and Staff College, Gwagwalada in Abuja, was forced to land, few seconds after takeoff.
Osinbajo was in the school for the graduation ceremony of Senior Division Course 1 /2018 participants. The chopper had earlier taken the Vice-President to the college for the ceremony.
However, while taking off, it could not ascend beyond the tree level, before it emitted thick smoke and landed on the same spots few seconds after takeoff.
Osinbajo later left the college by road.
5N-OSA
2nd Feb 2019, 14:40
TVC news has it on their twitter handle
https://tvcnews.tv/breaking-osinbajos-helicopter-crash-lands-in-kabba/
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=221445
jayteeto
2nd Feb 2019, 15:35
That looks a very “dusty” HLS..............
Hot and Hi
2nd Feb 2019, 15:36
it could not ascend beyond the tree level, before it emitted thick smoke and landed on the same spots few seconds after takeoff.
I suppose for once things went according to plan.
nomorehelosforme
2nd Feb 2019, 21:41
Who would want to be a pilot in Nigeria, Mexico or Brazil for VIP’s? One would think the pay would be great and insurance benefits at a 5star level...
malabo
2nd Feb 2019, 23:42
Looks like two national pilots - nobody with a man bun.
Phone Wind
2nd Feb 2019, 23:50
It was 2 national pilots. AW 139 5N-CML, SN 31389 of Caverton Helicopters. No more to say
gulliBell
3rd Feb 2019, 04:50
Well and truly well bent that one. Had better buy a new one.
Hot and Hi
3rd Feb 2019, 06:21
He has been in two helicopter crashes in 7 months - this part is probably worthy of an analysis!
Actually, the VP was not *in* the first incident (he had been dropped already). Also, as far as I read it, in the first incident the aircraft made a safe landing back to the pad. But you are probably right; anything from sabotage to endemic poor maintenance or skill levels need to be considered when trying to link those two accidents incidents together.
However, streaks (e.g., of good or bad luck) are part of randomness. And without streaks a distribution is not random. As a matter of fact, when forensic auditors look a presumably random data, the absence of streaks make them suspect it could be cooked.
Cyclic Hotline
5th Feb 2019, 04:57
Now, that's fast. Efficiency in action!
Helicopter crash: AIB concludes investigation - The Nation Nigeria (http://thenationonlineng.net/helicopter-crash-aib-concludes-investigation/)Helicopter crash: AIB concludes investigationhttp://2.gravatar.com/avatar/ba3d65951b0eb405ca2ce0b9b3156dee?s=80&d=mm&r=g by Kelvin Osa Okunbor (http://thenationonlineng.net/author/herytage/)
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Facebook (http://thenationonlineng.net/#facebook)Twitter (http://thenationonlineng.net/#twitter)Google+ (http://thenationonlineng.net/#google_plus)Pinterest (http://thenationonlineng.net/#pinterest)LinkedIn (http://thenationonlineng.net/#linkedin)WhatsApp (http://thenationonlineng.net/#whatsapp)Email (http://thenationonlineng.net/#email)SEVENTY-TWO hours after an Agusta AW 139 helicopter flying Vice President Yemi Osibanjo crashed in Kabba, Kogi State, aviation agencies, led by the Accident Investigation Bureau (AIB) have concluded investigations on the accident.
The completion of the investigation came on the heels of gathering of evidence – inspection of the chopper wreckage at the crash site; interview of airline crew- pilots, engineers and other technical personnel, eyewitnesses account, laboratory testing of broken rotor and other parts of chopper.
A source closed to the AIB said the preliminary report of the accident will be released in two days, but he could not give probable cause(s) of the crash.
Another source close to Caverton Helicopters, mangers of the crshed chopper, said its insurers have arrived in the country to participate in the probe.
The source hinted that the insurers, sought permission from the AIB, for access to the crash site to carry out valuation of the wreckage and other relevant activity critical to the accident probe.
Besides the insurers, it was not clear as at yesterday if the helicopter manufacturer – Agusta will participate in the inquiry.
According to the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO)-prescribed aviation regulations, the aircraft manufacturers ought to participate in the investigation.
The involvement will enable the manufacturer learn useful lessons in preventing a reoccurrence; if there are issues with the equipment design or other technical hitches.
AIB’s spokesman Tunji Oketumbi said the bureau has concluded preliminary investigation on the crash, which he described as “high profile”, because of the status of the occupant in the ill-fated chopper.
He said an accident could be so described, if the aircraft was carrying many influential people; or there are many multi-nationals.
He said that will not in any way put any pressure on the AIB, which has so far utilised its internal capacity to discharge the onerous task.
Oketumbi said: “So far, the AIB has done what is statutorily required of it. We did not require any foreign assistance. We have carried out the relevant findings at the crash site and interviewed the crew and other people relevant to the operation. So, far, the helicopter wreckage has not been removed.”
He, however, took exception to the remarks attributed to Caverton Helicopters which suggested the probable cause(s) of the crash.
According to him, besides giving flight information – type of aircraft; registration number; number of occupant in the aircraft and circumstances of the accident, the airline should refrain from speculating the cause of the crash.
Doing such, Oketumbi said, will amount to pre-empting the investigation.
Recall that AgustaWestland AW139 is a 15-seat medium-sized twin-engined helicopter developed and produced principally by AgustaWestland.
gulliBell
5th Feb 2019, 05:32
The crash comic out of Nigeria I'm more interested in is the Bristow S76C++ that splashed down in the Atlantic, where all souls on board were miraculously saved by the remarkable show of courageous airmanship by the hero Captain. When are we likely to see the final report on that one?
Evil Twin
5th Feb 2019, 06:56
He has been in two helicopter crashes in 7 months - this part is probably worthy of an analysis!
https://punchng.com/osinbajo-escapes-second-air-crash-in-seven-months/
Eniola Akinkuotu, Abuja
The helicopter conveying Vice-President Yemi Osinbajo crash-landed in the Kabba area of Kogi State on Saturday.
The Vice President’s media aide, Laolu Akande, however, said no one was hurt
A tweet by Akande read: “VP Osinbajo’s chopper crash lands in Kabba, but he and the entire crew safe. He is continuing with his engagements and plans for the day in Kogi State.”
The incident is the second air mishap that Osinbajo would escape in seven months.
On June 7, 2018, a chopper that was to convey Osinbajo from the Nigeria Customs Command and Staff College, Gwagwalada in Abuja, was forced to land, few seconds after takeoff.
Osinbajo was in the school for the graduation ceremony of Senior Division Course 1 /2018 participants. The chopper had earlier taken the Vice-President to the college for the ceremony.
However, while taking off, it could not ascend beyond the tree level, before it emitted thick smoke and landed on the same spots few seconds after takeoff.
Osinbajo later left the college by road.
Looking at the video the wx is pretty poos. Out of the dust into the goop, no chance of a whoops there............... :-/
SASless
5th Feb 2019, 10:44
The crash comic out of Nigeria I'm more interested in is the Bristow S76C++ that splashed down in the Atlantic, where all souls on board were miraculously saved by the remarkable show of courageous airmanship by the hero Captain. When are we likely to see the final report on that one?
76 or 332?
The 76 crash I an familiar with was in the Lagos Harbor....and had fatalities.
The 332 had no fatalities but a very enjoyable video of folks bobbing around in Rafts in Monsoon rain....and the Coey muttering about how he could not keep it ouf of the water.
industry insider
5th Feb 2019, 11:03
SAS
Disting, de water landin'
https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/574171-bristow-s76-ditched-nigeria-today-feb-3-2016-a.html
griffothefog
6th Feb 2019, 09:10
Will insurance cough up for a brownout?
Engine redundancy is not delivering a real safety improvement in these cases
That's not the problem needing to be fixed here
The problem is rather neatly summed up by this rather technical explanation of the previous 139 accident in Kenya
(that makes 50% of their fleet destroyed?)
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To avoid the bird, the pilot tried to manually make the chopper rise using the lever known as the collective. However, this was impossible in autopilot mode where the aircraft cannot move up and down. It reportedly turned sideways and stalled.
A vortex was created, sucking the chopper in and down."Hovering out of ground effect, or HOGE, is an aviation term describing when a chopper appears stationary in the air. It generally requires more power than if it is on the ground. It is the act of the pilot pulling the collective that led the helicopter to lose power, making it fall to the ground," the source said."In technical terms, the rotors should spin at 110 percent its normal rotations per minute. If it drops to 98 percent,alarms will go off, saying 'rotor low, rotor low'. When this helicopter crashed, it was down to 96 percent RPMs. You could clearly hear the warnings in the voice recorder and the panicked engineer directing Oduk on what to do," the source said."
gulliBell
7th Feb 2019, 09:50
Jeez, you just can't make that stuff up.
Jeez, you just can't make that stuff up. But they seem to have done exactly that!:ugh:
Phone Wind
7th Feb 2019, 11:55
As usual, people like to jump on reports in the tabloid press, which is exactly what this is - a Kenyan newspaper report from 2016. The popular press is the same the world over, sensationalist and with only elements of the truth. As far as I know no official report has been published yet (and there’s quite a possibility it may not be released to the public).
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/09/20/uncertified-pilot-crashed-police-helicopter_c1423025
hueyracer
7th Feb 2019, 12:51
As usual, people like to jump on reports in the tabloid press, which is exactly what this is - a Kenyan newspaper report from 2016. The popular press is the same the world over, sensationalist and with only elements of the truth. As far as I know no official report has been published yet (and there’s quite a possibility it may not be released to the public).
The press article pretty much sums up the events as they happened...
And the "demand" for a "replacement helicopter" for the faulty one" delivered to Kenya is not made up-this is exactly what was communicated....
Phone Wind
7th Feb 2019, 18:38
..... and your proof for that is?
hueyracer
9th Feb 2019, 15:19
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Police-yet-to-complete-probe-on-Sh2-3-billion-chopper-crash/1056-4560454-format-xhtml-ytmsdvz/index.html
But we should discuss this in the proper thread, as it has nothing to do with the Nigerian crash discussed in this thread..
Same again
9th Feb 2019, 19:31
It certainly looks faulty in that photo. No wonder they are demanding a new one.
5N-OSA
13th Feb 2019, 19:59
Preliminary Report Releases By Nigerian AIB.
http://www.aib.gov.ng/media/1199/preliminary-report-on-accident-caverton-aw139-5n-cml-at-kabba-on-2-feb-2019_1.pdf
gulliBell
13th Feb 2019, 21:41
The FDR and CVR simultaneously stopped working just before the prang. How convenient. As for their brown-out landing procedure, seems very odd to me.
Phone Wind
14th Feb 2019, 00:44
All perfectly normal. The CVR and FDR on modern helicopters frequently simultaneously fail before crashes, leading to crew simultaneously having memory loss below 20 feet. As a fine, upstanding operator I’m sure Caverton will be leaving everything to the Nigerian AIB and providing all the help they can to ensure the totally unbiased investigation into this minor incident and finding the actual cause
Old Dogs
14th Feb 2019, 00:59
As for their brown-out landing procedure, seems very odd to me.
.... not quite the way I would have done it either. 🤔
malabo
14th Feb 2019, 01:05
Ok, having done a bit of flying in Africa, and other dusty locations with the 139, let me just say that the "Company's (Caverton) Brownout Landing Procedure" is unlike anything I have ever heard of. Cat A gate of 100/20 is also counter-productive to setting up for a brownout risk landing. Can't fault the pilots, they were following their company procedure. This is one of the consequences when all your work has been airport runway to offshore platform and back, and your procedures reflect what the oil company auditors have rewarded you for. Immediate Safety Recommendation 2019-003 would indicate a simple "never go" since any risk of brownout is going to blow the analysis off scale. And frankly, if that is the brownout procedure published, it is just as well that everyone stays home.
Anybody think to ask the police 412 what his secret was? Those guys probably do a lot more routine dusty landings.
Not very forthcoming about why the drug and alcohol testing couldn't be carried out on the crew............
Dusty site and coming to a 50' hover - who could possibly have expected to end up in brownout???????
Nescafe
14th Feb 2019, 07:08
Not very forthcoming about why the drug and alcohol testing couldn't be carried out on the crew............
Not every village in Nigeria has the medical facilities to perform such tests, but even if you have never been, I'm sure you'd be aware of that, wouldn't you?
They are very good at treating malaria though, they have plenty of practise at that.
MamaPut
14th Feb 2019, 12:54
Unsurprisingly something here smells very fishy. Not the crew or their actions as that just seems, at first sight, to be a bad landing after disorientation in brownout as the result of a flawed landing technique. It might not be, but they wouldn’t be the first crew to have experienced this and I doubt they’ll be the last. But as soon as the name Caverton comes up and we suddenly hear about failures of CVR and FDR just before a very messed up landing my BS meter peaks up in the red. Do Caverton have any other flight data monitoring systems on their aircraft or is that only on the Shell contract 139s?
Villages in Nigeria don’t have the facility for drug and alcohol testing but if they were taken to a hospital for a check, they should and they were probably moved to Abuja or Lagos soon after so it should have been done there.
Not every village in Nigeria has the medical facilities to perform such tests, but even if you have never been, I'm sure you'd be aware of that, wouldn't you? Kabba is hardly a village - I don't have to have been there to use google maps and Wikipedia - it is the administrative center for the area - are you telling me they can't even do a breath test there?
Phone Wind
14th Feb 2019, 19:51
Oh dear, crab is now an expert on Nigeria after 5 minutes using Google maps and Wikipedia. Kabba is a small town in an agricultural area. Even in much larger towns in Nigeria you’d find it difficult to get a drug and alcohol test done at short notice. But as usual Mr Crab is an instant expert, probably never having been within 2,000 miles of the place.
So now its a town and not a village - I'm hardly claiming to be an expert, just asking why there was no drug and alcohol test done - if there aren't the facilities then fine, no skin off my nose.
I'm quite happy not to have been to Nigeria, no one who has worked there seems to have a good thing to say about it - but I'm sure I'm about to be lectured about how wrong I am again.....
soggyboxers
15th Feb 2019, 00:06
Crab, by UK standards Kabba would be a moderate town - about the size of Andover.
Nigeria has been a difficult place for expats for quite a while, which is sad because it has a lot of beautiful countryside. For many of the expat helicopter pilots it was to either Nigeria or the Middle East they went for their first civilian overseas experience as that’s where a lot of the jobs were 40-50 years ago. Nigeria is certainly very different culturally from UK and in the 1970s there were difficulties finding ‘continental’ foodstuffs in the (small) supermarkets and the majority of expats just stayed around their oil company compounds or expat enclaves and didn’t wander far, so got little insight into the country. Nigerians generally tend to be quite loud and can be a little mercurial compared with many Europeans, but underneath they just want the same things as we all do - a better life, better future for their children, decent schools, hospitals and roads. Unfortunately their corrupt leaders have deprived them of that for generations. I used to travel around a lot by car, bus and boat with no problem. Sadly in 1999 that all started to change with the emergence of MEND, to whom expats were kidnap targets and more expats than ever stayed in protected compounds and had to travel to work in armed, escorted convoys. It was still pleasant to travel in the north but with the emergence of Boko Haram that’s also risky now.
So yes, I’m sure you wouldn’t enjoy it as it is now, which is a shame because despite everything it’s still the economic powerhouse of Africa with great potential if only the corruption could be curbed as the people are bright and vibrant, friendly and hospitable if you have the opportunity to get to know them. I probably wouldn’t go for a holiday, as it’s not for the faint hearted, but it’s not all bad, despite what some may say
Soggy - thank you for the insight, it mirrors much of what I have heard from others.
Sadly there are a lot of beautiful countries in the world ruined by corrupt leaders....
griffothefog
15th Feb 2019, 18:55
That stinky stuff has been pumped out of the ground since the 60’s and pretty much zero percent has been put back into infrastructure or development. It’s the most corrupt country in the world, such a shame because the people are so rich in character even though they are wearing mismatched shoes...
Phone Wind
15th Feb 2019, 21:41
Not that it’s anything to be proud of, but according to the last Transparency International report Nigeria is only equal 144/180 (along with Kenya). Somalia is the world’s most corrupt country.(and having worked in both, it’s quite clear). Nearby Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Chad, Angola, DRC and Congo are all more corrupt. Before making general statements, it’s worth checking the annual CPI
griffothefog
16th Feb 2019, 19:29
Someone with a sense of humour at last 😂😂😂