DSS Resignation

[NoAndThen]

Where is it?

With this stinging rebuke of DSS, where is his resignation letter? He is completely out of his depth and absolutely the wrong man to lead the AOA if that is even what you want to call these past couple years. He has shown he is even more out of touch with the pilots than the DFO. How has this management pilot checker even been allowed to run the AOA in the first place? Change starts from within and it's long past time for him to go. With a 10 year escalation ban in this last offer that DSS wholeheartedly was trying to ram through, we were on the edge of the end of the HKAOA. Never before can CX management say they've ever been that close.

Step down now. An absolute disgrace.

[mngmt mole]

Everyone. I completely disagreed with DS’s aporoach. Even more so his recommendation. However, lets now give him a period of time to do the honorable thing. Lets all stop the name calling. We have bigger things to deal with. I believe DS will recognize he’s lost his mandate to lead the AOA.

[cxorcist]

Everyone. I completely disagreed with DS’s aporoach. Even more so his recommendation. However, lets now give him a period of time to do the honorable thing. Lets all stop the name calling. We have bigger things to deal with. I believe DS will recognize he’s lost his mandate to lead the AOA.

Agreed. There is no positive way forward for DSS except to resign. The same applies to the GC members whom supported this failed TA.

[rhoshamboe]

I voted no.If you clowns that are screaming for resignations aren't the first to put yourselves forward to lead or serve on the committee you will be displaying the same lack of backbone you accuse the GC of having. If you are not going to put your hand up, stop.

[cxorcist]

I voted no.If you clowns that are screaming for resignations aren't the first to put yourselves forward to lead or serve on the committee you will be displaying the same lack of backbone you accuse the GC of having. If you are not going to put your hand up, stop.

This is a ridiculous comment. The membership deserves to have a GC that represents the membership’s interests. Only 21% of the membership approved of this deal, and yet the Chairman and 65% of the GC endorsed it. That is NOT proportional representation. And before you throw it at me, I’ve done several years on the GC in the last decade, and I’ve never been a part of a failed TA, or even a close one.

[rhoshamboe]

You're right. Although I still stand by it, that post was more emotive than rational. I agree that the membership do deserve a GC that represent their interests, and I think you would be hard pressed to find one GC member that thought they were doing anything other than that.
The membership has spoken rather emphatically. In my opinion, seeing whether the GC take that on board and pivot accordingly before conducting a wholesale lynching makes a lot more sense.
To be honest I don't think it's something you'll need to worry about. After the vitriol being levelled at the GC and NC now I'm not sure they'll want to continue. I hope we don't find ourselves in the same position as the company, having trainers who really shouldn't be there only because no-one suited to the job will do it.

[ACMS]

The way you guys carry on you’re lucky anyone bothers to represent you at all.

Walk the walk....

[Samsonite]

Yes totally agree with ACM... Who would want to represent a bunch of people who won't back anything up but want industrial action and then go on a whitch hunt after the ones that do represent. They brought you what they could get off the table, don't blame them.. Be very nervous about the loud people who talk a big game but have never done a good thing for the HKAOA and say they can lead or represent.

Great so you voted it down, now what? ohh you are waiting for someone to hold your hand to the industrial confrontation. Good luck!!

[snoop doggy dog]

The training department is the first layer of management.

Anyone that is paid a little extra by the company, will do disproportionately more to help management than they are paid.

Union Busters 101.

[SASD209]

Great so you voted it down, now what?


...And this is the great question and takeaway from this: what now?? Go ahead, I'll wait..

[mngmt mole]

.....oh, here we go...the inevitable lynchings. Everyone, stop, take a breath and regroup. Firstly, our membership has spoken. Let's at least wait for DS to respond with his formal statement. Most of us feel he isn't the right person to lead the AOA any further, but for heavens sake, I know him personally and he is a good and well-meaning person. He just badly misjudged the depth of resistance to the company's proposal. Let him (and the rest of the GC) recognise the level of their failing and then respond. We need others to rise up to the challenge, and forming a lynch mob is hardly the way to encourage new people to put their names forward. Let's give a decent interval for matters to simmer down and then let's see what results. Ultimately, DS and his group are a spent force, but I don't intend on seeing him and the others castigated for all time. No matter our feelings about the TA and their role in it's recent history, the GC and DS are still professional colleagues. They lost (rightly in my opinion), but now let's not gloat in their defeat. The same applies to the company. Give every party the opportunity to "save face". We will only ultimately lose if we regress to arrogance and smugness. I've seen enough of that from our management over the years, and it has always stuck me that that is the main reason they constantly miscalculate. Let's not emulate them. We have the moral high ground, let's not throw it away. Sit on your hands over the weekend and then let's enter next week with a new and righteous resolve to see this through to a successful end.

[plainpilot11]

I think it’s more that it doesn’t seem our leadership (DS) in the AOA thinks we have anything left to give, or fight with. Our leadership should show some determination. Some spine. Some guts. Some belief in its membership. Some hope. And that’s the troubling part. He just doesn’t.

[okm]

Bring back Rod.

[Roy De Kantzow]

I voted no.If you clowns that are screaming for resignations aren't the first to put yourselves forward to lead or serve on the committee you will be displaying the same lack of backbone you accuse the GC of having. If you are not going to put your hand up, stop.Complete nonsense.

Members pay good money to be in the HKAOA and have every right to criticise a leadership that isn't representative and isn't doing what is required.

Criticising doesn't mean a member immediately has to put their name forward to be on the GC. This argument makes no sense. When we criticise politicians, we don't immediately say 'OK you run for Prime Minister then'.

Ridiculous POV.

[unitedabx]

Everyone. I completely disagreed with DS’s aporoach. Even more so his recommendation. However, lets now give him a period of time to do the honorable thing. Lets all stop the name calling. We have bigger things to deal with. I believe DS will recognize he’s lost his mandate to lead the AOA.

Resignation letter in on Monday morning or kick him out at lunchtime. GC too.

[broadband circuit]

Bring back Rod.

Be careful what you wish for.

You may like his politics and industrial direction, however ask some of the people who were either GC members or SMEs during his tenure about his leadership style.

[unitedabx]

Be careful what you wish for.

You may like his politics and industrial direction, however ask some of the people who were either GC members or SMEs during his tenure about his leadership style.

At least he showed leadership. DS shows nothing but self interest. Kick him OUT.

[Frogman1484]

At least he showed leadership. DS shows nothing but self interest. Kick him OUT.
Stalin also showed leadership...we do not want Rod back!

[Samsonite]

Oh thats a good idea, Vote Rod back, the guy who basically trashed Cos16 because he didn't understand half the stuff in it. Funny how people forget how he dropped the ball on the best deal we had been offered in years.

[spleener]

.....oh, here we go...the inevitable lynchings. Everyone, stop, take a breath and regroup. Firstly, our membership has spoken. Let's at least wait for DS to respond with his formal statement. Most of us feel he isn't the right person to lead the AOA any further, but for heavens sake, I know him personally and he is a good and well-meaning person. He just badly misjudged the depth of resistance to the company's proposal. Let him (and the rest of the GC) recognise the level of their failing and then respond. We need others to rise up to the challenge, and forming a lynch mob is hardly the way to encourage new people to put their names forward. Let's give a decent interval for matters to simmer down and then let's see what results. Ultimately, DS and his group are a spent force, but I don't intend on seeing him and the others castigated for all time. No matter our feelings about the TA and their role in it's recent history, the GC and DS are still professional colleagues. They lost (rightly in my opinion), but now let's not gloat in their defeat. The same applies to the company. Give every party the opportunity to "save face". We will only ultimately lose if we regress to arrogance and smugness. I've seen enough of that from our management over the years, and it has always stuck me that that is the main reason they constantly miscalculate. Let's not emulate them. We have the moral high ground, let's not throw it away. Sit on your hands over the weekend and then let's enter next week with a new and righteous resolve to see this through to a successful end.


+1.
This is not a time for playing into the company's hands. Stay cool, allow due process, and keep the lynching hysteria for the bar.

[morningcoffee]

The NC would have a lot easier job negotiating with the company if the membership would step things up. Sadly with a spineless membership we vote no and then do absolutely everything but step it up. We ditch DS because he suggested we need to grow a pair?
If this is anything like TA16 the company won’t offer anything else and only 10 guys a month will leave unlike the hundreds a month that everyone talks about. Seen how many have resigned from the AOA recently because they’ve left the company? CX will get around the training ban and save a truckload of money every time we vote down a payrise.

Next up we’ll bleat about more trainers needing to resign and push for a recruitment ban, anything to avoid actually doing anything ourselves.

We barely get enough to volunteer to fill the GC and no one wants the Presidents job. And idiots on here want them all gone.

Keyboard warriors.

[iflylow]

Morningcoffee, are you DSS? It would explain a lot. Please do the honorable thing and step down. If you weren't effective before, you certainly aren't effective now!

[Samsonite]

Morning Coffee, you are 100%

[unitedabx]

The NC would have a lot easier job negotiating with the company if the membership would step things up. Sadly with a spineless membership we vote no and then do absolutely everything but step it up. We ditch DS because he suggested we need to grow a pair?
If this is anything like TA16 the company won’t offer anything else and only 10 guys a month will leave unlike the hundreds a month that everyone talks about. Seen how many have resigned from the AOA recently because they’ve left the company? CX will get around the training ban and save a truckload of money every time we vote down a payrise.

Next up we’ll bleat about more trainers needing to resign and push for a recruitment ban, anything to avoid actually doing anything ourselves.

We barely get enough to volunteer to fill the GC and no one wants the Presidents job. And idiots on here want them all gone.

Keyboard warriors.




MC your worst fears are keeping you awake at night. The membership and thankfully a very large percentage of relatively new employees have rejected your threats and intimdation. Your lapdog president and GC are disgraced and no longer command the respect or loyalty of the members. They are therefore ideal candidates for 3rd floor FOP jobs and are probably calling in your promises today. Monday sees you at a 10 am meeting called by RH ( who flew back from London ) where you will either be given your marching orders and thrown back to line operations ( God help you there ) or you will be told to brace yourself for years more of struggle. Is it really worth that to you. Your extra 20% buys your contempt and distrust by every pilot in the company. Your third floor desk a tombstone to your career. Your're finished and you don't even know it.

[mngmt mole]

MC is busy looking for a new job. Or at least he should be. Having said that, i'll miss his comical attempts to impersonate a pilot, and his rather frantic and hysterical posts attempting to manipulate the votes of real pilots. Either way, he is nothing but noise on this website.

[Samsonite]

Votes are nothing without action and you shouldn't have to be lead by the hand to do that, I don't see anything happening. That is the state of this group of employees, all talk, no action, always blaming someone else, scared to stand up for themselves and always want someone else to do the dirty work for them.

[unitedabx]

Votes are nothing without action and you shouldn't have to be lead by the hand to do that, I don't see anything happening. That is the state of this group of employees, all talk, no action, always blaming someone else, scared to stand up for themselves and always want someone else to do the dirty work for them.

The worm has turned. For the first time the pilots have OVERWHELMINGLY rejected a company offer and the AOA recommendation to accept it. This is new territory for the management and will need a new approach and departure from their victorian management style. Unfortunately, their entire management team was brought up on such a style so a change is needed from top to toe. Watch this space. The pilots need to just sit tight. Aeroplanes can fly without managers, checkin staff, admin people, cabin crew and directors but they can't fly without PILOTS and CX is still an airline ( just ) and needs planes in the sky.

[plainpilot11]

Why resign when you’re taking in around 100k HKD on top of your salary (plus whatever the company’s bought them all off for) for crafting a few letters now and then. Can you believe that the Chairman makes that much?? Time maybe we all had a rethink about what that position is worth. Surely not that much. Maybe it’s been abused so much now and in the past for a reason.

[turnandburn]

This is like a bad CNN loop.
Now we have MB off the big twin proposing motions seconded by JFK. The same guy who called the company on his leave day to save the day and to operate back from oztralia and the committee tuned a blind eye to it.Was duly reported, and now proposing motions. What a joke. Some are apparently exempt from it. Wish I was in that club. CC is a minor inconvenience at best.

[Xwindldg]

Where were all the keyboard warriors last election challenging DS? Hiding away like little pu##ies!!
Step up and lead us forward to the 20% payrise that is obviously just around the corner!
RF was militant but he was voted out. Now everyone is complaining that DS isn’t militant.
That only thing we know for sure is we won’t be getting more money for a longer time. How have we won?
All the crazy motions being put forward make us look like a bunch of complete idiots. Most of them wouldn’t be legal but old mate keeps persisting on with them anyway.

[main_dog]

It’s a poker game, with imperfect information. We didn’t fold, and are instead calling their bluff. Frankly there was so little on the plate it was an easy choice. We’ll see their hand soon enough.

Breathe, xwindlg.

[OK4Wire]

You're right, Xw, this did indeed make us look like a bunch of complete idiots, the difference is that the "us" you're referring to is not the pilot body.

[Oasis]

Where were all the keyboard warriors last election challenging DS? Hiding away like little pu##ies!!
Step up and lead us forward to the 20% payrise that is obviously just around the corner!
RF was militant but he was voted out. Now everyone is complaining that DS isn’t militant.
That only thing we know for sure is we won’t be getting more money for a longer time. How have we won?
All the crazy motions being put forward make us look like a bunch of complete idiots. Most of them wouldn’t be legal but old mate keeps persisting on with them anyway.
ds was voted in because rf and gf split the vote. Rf and gf both combined had more votes than just ds.
Or so I’ve been told at least.

[Xwindldg]

RF + GF got more votes, that proves nothing. I’m sure if you added the votes of all losing candidates in any kind of vote they would equal more than the winner.

Where was the flood of hardened expert negotiators and union leaders during the last election? There are obviously lots in the AOA going by the forums. You can bet these same warriors will be uncontactable or away from Hong Kong in the event of any IA escalation event. DS actually talks about it and these same brave warriors lose their minds in outrage. Hilarious!

[Air Profit]

Xwindldg, I see you and MC are flailing all over the forums desperately trying to sow dissension. Not only are you transparently company lap dogs, but you lost. Lost big. Get over it and perhaps try and find a job your mother would actually be proud of you for. Working 12 hours a day in your Swire cubicle must be soul destroying. Why don't the two of you just resign and go on holiday together, somewhere your morals and outlook will make you welcome, like Venezuela.

[morningcoffee]

Xwindldg, I see you and MC are flailing all over the forums desperately trying to sow dissension. Not only are you transparently company lap dogs, but you lost. Lost big. Get over it and perhaps try and find a job your mother would actually be proud of you for. Working 12 hours a day in your Swire cubicle must be soul destroying. Why don't the two of you just resign and go on holiday together, somewhere your morals and outlook will make you welcome, like Venezuela.
Where to begin. Pilots have won nothing, they won nothing back when they rejected TA16 and a 6% payrise. I’ve lost count of how many, like yourself, bleated on about a better offer turning up. And they’re still bleating on.
The company offered crap because the members won’t step up. 3 years from now it will be 7 years without a payrise. And AOA members like yourself will be pushing for a change to the lanyard colour.
So brave. You want to guess how much all these no votes save the company?

[mngmt mole]

Bit late to be typing away in your cubicle isnt it MC? Either we work for CX under a proper contract, or we will work for another company that does. What we won’t do is sell out our dignity and integrity and end up as the type of person you obviously are.

[mngmt mole]

.....and in case you missed it. The NO vote was much larger this time around than for the previous TA. That says about everything that needs saying about the Swire’s and their management mindset. Someone like you simply will never get it. Without integrity a d character you never will.

[Kitsune]

That would be the dignity integrity and character that allowed 49 (51) of your colleagues to be sacked with no comeback, let alone a strike vote then? That episode besmirches the dignity integrity and character of every pilot employed by CX at that time, bar none.

[Tea time]

Sadly the pilot body doesn’t have the stomach to walk , maybe one day they will summon up the courage , but for now the derisory offer from the company made it very easy to say no . It wasn’t a hard decision at all ,1% of sweet F’A is still F’A

[mngmt mole]

Kitsune. In case you didn’t notice, there seems to be a hardening of attitudes towards this worthless management. People fo evidently learn to not repeat history. As for the 49er’s, I seriously doubt even this management would dare go there again, as they would lose a lot more 49 people when it was all said and done. This vote will prove a watershed in the history of this airline. It translates into one word : “enough “.

[morningcoffee]

Kitsune. In case you didn’t notice, there seems to be a hardening of attitudes towards this worthless management. People fo evidently learn to not repeat history. As for the 49er’s, I seriously doubt even this management would dare go there again, as they would lose a lot more 49 people when it was all said and done. This vote will prove a watershed in the history of this airline. It translates into one word : “enough “.
Mole, in case you didn’t get it the courts awarded zero to the 49ers, they won a pittance in defamation but that was it. Would be great if there was a hardening towards management but the reality is quite the opposite. Hence posters like you rubbishing the idea of unity and upping the cause. Keyboard warriors voted no to 1% and somehow think the company is going to come back with a way better offer.
On the basis of the slowly eroded CC/TB with everyone’s mates joining training, it won’t happen.
Laugh at being accused of being management when I suggest a vote for upping industrial action.
You scared because most will vote no or they’ll vote yes and then run and hide anyway?

[Apple Tree Yard]

MC. Anyone who takes the time to collate and read some of your posts easily concludes that you are not a pilot, and are just some Swire office lackey desperately attempting to influence the debate in favour of the company. Only when you get called out do you then become "rambo" like in your frantic attempt to appear as one of the pilot fraternity. Seriously, give it up. Embarrassing.

[freightdoggiedog]

This vote will prove a watershed in the history of this airline. It translates into one word : “enough “. I actually begin to believe this too. Once upon a time, back when a CX pilot’s package was the envy of the industry, when management shouted “jump” the only response was “how high?” But years of deceit and double-speak, a constant erosion of pay and T&Cs not to mention a growing proportion of the pilot body on inferior packages (HKPA instead of ARAPA and now POS 18, ever-increasing times to upgrade etc) mean a decreasing tolerance for this management style. With less and less to lose we move slowly but surely towards a cabin crew-like attitude.

One telling point was the vote for accepting positioning on the freighter a number of years back: despite the then-GMA’s fairly explicit threats the vote was a resounding “get stuffed”. He was later, ahem, removed from his post.

Let’s face it, a 78.6% NO when both management and the union’s own Chairman and GC begged us to vote yes is a very loud statement. Coupled with an ever increasing resignation rate, a barely static airline size in the face of increasing competition and fewer trainers than three years ago precisely when we need all training hands on deck for the POS 18 wave will certainly be causing some sleepless nights.

They may have draconian plans in place or they may have been bluffing, we shall soon see more of their hand. Then the “we should have accepted the few crumbs that were thrown at us” brigade will either be able to say they told us so, or else finally stop whingeing about the scraps they didn’t get to lap up.

[unitedabx]

I actually begin to believe this too. Once upon a time, back when a CX pilot’s package was the envy of the industry, when management shouted “jump” the only response was “how high?” But years of deceit and double-speak, a constant erosion of pay and T&Cs not to mention a growing proportion of the pilot body on inferior packages (HKPA instead of ARAPA and now POS 18, ever-increasing times to upgrade etc) mean a decreasing tolerance for this management style. With less and less to lose we move slowly but surely towards a cabin crew-like attitude.

One telling point was the vote for accepting positioning on the freighter a number of years back: despite the then-GMA’s fairly explicit threats the vote was a resounding “get stuffed”. He was later, ahem, removed from his post.

Let’s face it, a 78.6% NO when both management and the union’s own Chairman and GC begged us to vote yes is a very loud statement. Coupled with an ever increasing resignation rate, a barely static airline size in the face of increasing competition and fewer trainers than three years ago precisely when we need all training hands on deck for the POS 18 wave will certainly be causing some sleepless nights.

They may have draconian plans in place or they may have been bluffing, we shall soon see more of their hand. Then the “we should have accepted the few crumbs that were thrown at us” brigade will either be able to say they told us so, or else finally stop whingeing about the scraps they didn’t get to lap up.

Well said. The facts are the company has no Plan B. DS had promised to deliver a yes vote and failed. He is toast now in the AOA, the company and amongst his fellow pilots ( now former colleagues ). He faces a very lonely career ( a bit like Phil W when he left his GMA job and nobody spoke to him for 10 years, except to read the checklist ). So leave DS out of it. If he resigns good, if he doesn't ,so what he has ZERO credibility now and staying on only displays his arrogance and stupidity.
You must all sit on your hands and see what the company dreams up next. With no Plan B they face the problem of announcing massive profits in March and then having to justify their 1% offer to the public. Theresights are now firmly on KA and the DPA and those poor buggars face a very torrid couple of months. Of course a joining of forces would be the sensible solution but the KA borthers made it very clear in December 2017 that they had no appetite for that.
Sit on your hands and watch the circus come to town. Expect outrageous threats and promises but remember the managers have to face the shareholders soon. The profit will soften the blow but the investors will want to know what is Plan B. There isn't one. Enjoy the show.

[unitedabx]

No resignation yet ? Time to kick DS and the GC out today.

[morningcoffee]

Well said. The facts are the company has no Plan B. DS had promised to deliver a yes vote and failed. He is toast now in the AOA, the company and amongst his fellow pilots ( now former colleagues ). He faces a very lonely career ( a bit like Phil W when he left his GMA job and nobody spoke to him for 10 years, except to read the checklist ). So leave DS out of it. If he resigns good, if he doesn't ,so what he has ZERO credibility now and staying on only displays his arrogance and stupidity.
You must all sit on your hands and see what the company dreams up next. With no Plan B they face the problem of announcing massive profits in March and then having to justify their 1% offer to the public. Theresights are now firmly on KA and the DPA and those poor buggars face a very torrid couple of months. Of course a joining of forces would be the sensible solution but the KA borthers made it very clear in December 2017 that they had no appetite for that.
Sit on your hands and watch the circus come to town. Expect outrageous threats and promises but remember the managers have to face the shareholders soon. The profit will soften the blow but the investors will want to know what is Plan B. There isn't one. Enjoy the show.
Possibly the dumbest post yet. The share has a buy rating with every fund manager out there. Anywhere between $14.5 and $15.8 The public doesn’t give a rats ass about the pilots, the no vote put the share price up, just like TA16 it saves CX money when we don’t take more off them.
Every poster on here regurgitates reasons why we’re going to get lots by doing nothing, like the NC should have got 10% and it’s their fault.
Everyones leaving
No-ones joining
CC is killing them
The TB is stifling growth
The AOA is a conspiracy
They’re all just bullsh*t excuses to do nothing while expecting more. Take what they offer, and 1% is all the pilot body is currently worth. Like it or not.

Where are all the losers who were on here years back saying there’s a way better offer than TA16 just around the corner.

[plainpilot11]

Possibly the dumbest post yet. The share has a buy rating with every fund manager out there. Anywhere between $14.5 and $15.8 The public doesn’t give a rats ass about the pilots, the no vote put the share price up, just like TA16 it saves CX money when we don’t take more off them.
Every poster on here regurgitates reasons why we’re going to get lots by doing nothing, like the NC should have got 10% and it’s their fault.
Everyones leaving
No-ones joining
CC is killing them
The TB is stifling growth
The AOA is a conspiracy
They’re all just bullsh*t excuses to do nothing while expecting more. Take what they offer, and 1% is all the pilot body is currently worth. Like it or not.

Where are all the losers who were on here years back saying there’s a way better offer than TA16 just around the corner.


There is something beyond the limited scope of your vision that you just don’t understand. 1% might be all that the company wants to pay us, that isn’t even what they think we’re worth. They don’t have a value for us, they just don’t think we’re valuable.

However self-respect and having principles is something very different, something you MC don’t understand. We’re professional pilots and we know we’re valuable. That’s what 79% of us said to the company. That we’re worth more, and we won’t concede to a +12% pay cut over the last 4 years without properly being recognized for our worth. Not any monkey can fly a plane.

And yes, pilots are LEAVING.

Can someone say “head in the sand?”

[main_dog]

To be fair it has nothing to do with what we think (or what the company thinks) we are worth, and all to do with how little they think they can get away with giving us, and with how much leverage we can bring to bear. Speaking of “the shareholders” is meaningless as the majority shareholder are Swire and they call the shots. Private shareholders are a small minority.

MC, as many here have tried to explain the offer was deemed to be worth peanuts (for many it actually would have meant a financial loss) and came at a high cost, one which was judged too expensive to be worth it.

If the company does in fact have a retention and training problem then it’s up to them to fix the offer, not us. If not, so be it, but at least I won’t have to wake up in the morning and know that I voluntarily signed up for “ST19”.

[Xwindldg]

People need to stop with the whole “it’s about getting treated with respect, I don’t care if I get a 100% payrise, I’m a professional airline pilot, blah blah blah”

[RAT Management]

MC. Your ignorance is impressive.

Did you ever consider that the share price has risen because of the exceptionally large code share agreement between qf and cx. This will equal a huge boost to revenue.

The pilot agreement or lack there of would have no effect what do ever to CX share price.

You total f_ing moron!

[Slasher1]

Possibly the dumbest post yet. The share has a buy rating with every fund manager out there. Anywhere between $14.5 and $15.8 The public doesn’t give a rats ass about the pilots, the no vote put the share price up, just like TA16 it saves CX money when we don’t take more off them.
Every poster on here regurgitates reasons why we’re going to get lots by doing nothing, like the NC should have got 10% and it’s their fault.
Everyones leaving
No-ones joining
CC is killing them
The TB is stifling growth
The AOA is a conspiracy
They’re all just bullsh*t excuses to do nothing while expecting more. Take what they offer, and 1% is all the pilot body is currently worth. Like it or not.

Where are all the losers who were on here years back saying there’s a way better offer than TA16 just around the corner.





Actually, I think the public very much DOES give a rats ass about the pilots. I doubt they much get into the weeds with pay or hours, conditions, etc -- but when anything at all is happening or they don't know where to go I'm always the guy they walk up to and ask (not that I'll know but there is the perception of this). So I think they would be pretty distressed when the pilots are unhappy, distracted, tired, or in poor health. Like it or not we are the folks who are considered SMEs and inspire image and confidence (as do the cabin crew in the back although their role is usually more service oriented and the public sees more of them; hence the drive to keep THEM happy).

Or lack thereof.

In fact, I've never met anyone who does NOT want their pilots well paid and happy (this is a small fraction of overall costs anyway). And it surprises (and distresses) some of my friends when they find out how little regional pilots ARE paid--not that they or I can do much about it.

Anyway, it's worth remembering that when it comes to life these years ARE your golden years. And time is your most precious asset. Spend your time wisely. If you aren't happy (or can't figure a way to make yourself happy, etc.) pi$$ing away your life being miserable (or trying to love something that won't love you back) is no way to live. Sometimes a fight is time well worth spent; caving and cowering is usually looked on in hindsight as a dark time in ones' life. As can be clinging on with the expectation of a better environment down the road (and effectively pi$$ing away your todays in the process). Pile up enough tomorrows and all you wind up with is a bunch of empty yesterdays. So it may well be time to step things up and get on with it. Probably worth some thought as how to best do this. If the membership isn't up to this it well may be time to move on.

[Toruk Macto]

https://m.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/transport/article/2185526/cathay-pacific-pilots-union-chief-quits-after-improved

[unitedabx]

Possibly the dumbest post yet. The share has a buy rating with every fund manager out there. Anywhere between $14.5 and $15.8 The public doesn’t give a rats ass about the pilots, the no vote put the share price up, just like TA16 it saves CX money when we don’t take more off them.
Every poster on here regurgitates reasons why we’re going to get lots by doing nothing, like the NC should have got 10% and it’s their fault.
Everyones leaving
No-ones joining
CC is killing them
The TB is stifling growth
The AOA is a conspiracy
They’re all just bullsh*t excuses to do nothing while expecting more. Take what they offer, and 1% is all the pilot body is currently worth. Like it or not.

Where are all the losers who were on here years back saying there’s a way better offer than TA16 just around the corner.



MC you're history mate. Suck it up.

[Tea time]

Strange , but if you look back to 2011 the share price was $23.68 then a steady decline to $10 before recovering somewhat to $12.04 today . So it’s share value has halved , despite being in a service industry the company has had lousy industrial relations with all of its staff , and the analysts are claiming its a buy can I sell you a very nice bridge .

[mngmt mole]

Possibly the dumbest post yet. The share has a buy rating with every fund manager out there. Anywhere between $14.5 and $15.8 The public doesn’t give a rats ass about the pilots, the no vote put the share price up, just like TA16 it saves CX money when we don’t take more off them.
Every poster on here regurgitates reasons why we’re going to get lots by doing nothing, like the NC should have got 10% and it’s their fault.
Everyones leaving
No-ones joining
CC is killing them
The TB is stifling growth
The AOA is a conspiracy
They’re all just bullsh*t excuses to do nothing while expecting more. Take what they offer, and 1% is all the pilot body is currently worth. Like it or not.

Where are all the losers who were on here years back saying there’s a way better offer than TA16 just around the corner.





MC, once again you display your abject stupidity, arrogance and ignorance. You have the nerve to "crow" about fund managers predicting that CX stock is valued between $14.5 and $15.8.....!??? . Almost TWENTY YEARS ago that was the stock price. Tell me, what supposed "blue chip" company has a stock price that is not even where it was 20 years ago...?? Most blue chip corporations have seen a X3 of X4 valuation rise in that time period. The fact that CX stock isn't even where it was two decades ago is SOLELY down to the effect that managers like you and the rest of the Swire buffoons have had on the company and it's destiny. You should hang your head in shame that the stock price is where it is. You and the rest of the Swire's are nothing more than an arrogant tool of destruction, to your airline, your employees and your own self respect. You and and the rest of them are a sick joke, nothing more.

[cxorcist]

MC hasn’t had his morning coffee yet. Perhaps silence. Is all we will get.

Fwiw, airline stocks are never investments, just trades.

[bm330]

CX stock has always been a joke. One step from junk bonds.

CX $1.50usd

UA $88.00usd
AA $36.00usd
SW $57.60usd
DL $50.00usd
WJ $16.00usd
AC $23.60usd

[cxorcist]

CX stock has always been a joke. One step from junk bonds.

CX $1.50usd

UA $88.00usd
AA $36.00usd
SW $57.60usd
DL $50.00usd
WJ $16.00usd
AC $23.60usd

Aren’t those all the airlines CX managers liked to talk trash about ten years ago? The tables have surely turned. That’s what happens when CX Swire geniuses clean $3B+ in cash off the balance sheet with reckless (and perhaps fraudulent) fuel hedges.

[Tea time]

I would still love to know who was on the other side of the fuel hedge