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para232
27th Dec 2018, 21:11
hi

im wondering if someone can help, im currently a hcpc paramedic and looking at bristows new advertisement for SAR winch paramedic in the uk.

i was just wondering if anyone can shed some light on what the recruitment process is like and maybe some tips here an there, or whether you are currently a serving winchmen with bristow
id be glad to hear from you about what the job actually entails.

hope to hear from some of you soon

many thanks

para

Same again
28th Dec 2018, 08:53
You should visit your nearest Bristow SAR base and speak with the crews there. If you are in London that would be Lydd Kent. They would be happy to show you around and have a chat.

28th Dec 2018, 10:50
Basically doing what your are doing now but on the back of a boat, the side of a mountain or in the back of a noisy helicopter - often in quite difficult conditions.

Plus you need to be comfortable in the water, even in the dark and enjoy trusting your life to a piece of wire less than 1 cm thick.

Good luck:ok:

snakepit
2nd Jan 2019, 21:58
hi

im wondering if someone can help, im currently a hcpc paramedic and looking at bristows new advertisement for SAR winch paramedic in the uk.

i was just wondering if anyone can shed some light on what the recruitment process is like and maybe some tips here an there, or whether you are currently a serving winchmen with bristow
id be glad to hear from you about what the job actually entails.

hope to hear from some of you soon

many thanks

para

The recruitment process depends on your qualifications beyond that of a paramedic if you’re talking about applying for one of the jobs currently online?

SAR winch paramedic or “Winchman” as most would know it from the past (just not pc anymore) is a combination of aviator, rescue specialist and paramedic. Which of those 3 skills is dominant depends on the stage of the SAR mission and is constantly variable. Put simply though, it’s the best job in the world, or at least that’s what I’m told ;-).

3rd Jan 2019, 07:39
There is a looming demographic gap for UK SAR paramedics since the posts have traditionally been filled by ex-mil winchpersons but there is no training pipeline for those any more.

The advantages that the mil guys and girls had was that they often had other mil aviation backgrounds - support helicopters, Nimrods etc and went through a rigorous selection and training process (which many failed) so that only the best got through. That quality was evident when the paramedic training was introduced early 2000s and all but a few lapped it up and went onto attain their paramedic status.

There has long been an argument that training an existing paramedic to become a winchperson must be cheaper - the problem is the length of training required to be safe and effective on the wire and as part of a crew - those hundreds or thousands of hours of previous aviation and military exposure to risk can't be reproduced or replicated in a few short hours of wet and deck winching.

I had thought that part of the UKSAR contract was to set up a proper training school to ensure continuity for SAR rearcrew and perhaps the latest adverts are a sign that this might be happening - it's success will very much depend on the quality of the individuals they recruit and the rigour of the training.

Don't know if there is a big enough budget to achieve what is required within the current contract.......and they would probably have to up the salary by £20K to tempt those still left in the mil to jump ship.........

Bap70
3rd Jan 2019, 19:27
"Don't know if there is a big enough budget to achieve what is required within the current contract.......and they would probably have to up the salary by £20K to tempt those still left in the mil to jump ship."

Just out of interest, what is the approximate starting salary for a SAR paramedic? I'd expect it to be significantly more than the current NHS Band 6 Paramedic salary that, when tagged onto the standard 25% unsocial hours allowance can top out at just over £46K per year.

3rd Jan 2019, 21:24
A good bit less than that..(I can't remember if the paramedic pay takes them a little over £40K but if it does, it isn't by much)...and given than many were on around £50K when they were in the mil it was a step down, made more unpalatable when the pilots (captains) were given over £90K.

The difference is due to licences - or lack of them for the rearcrew - pilots are licensed and have market rates (primarily N Sea salaries at the time of the contract) and unions - the rearcrew have no equivalent in CAA/EASA land despite being the ones who do all the dirty and dangerous work in SAR.

There has been talk of creating a licencing system for rearcrew for many years and the CAA inspector is a fan but without industry pressure it won't happen.

The flip side is that many do less than 8 shifts a month, know for a long time in advance when they will be working and get a big cash bonus if they have to pick up an extra shift.

jimf671
4th Jan 2019, 01:29
Using PA Scales for 2017-18, they start at £45316. Master Aircrew (WO1) could progress to Level 20 which is £64717. Presumably, LtCdr Observer could progress to the top at £81943. :cool: So that is the range of pay that military rearcrew would have been getting if there was still MilSAR in 2017/18. These are maybe about £2k pa higher than the scales when the contract started changing over.

Crab has mentioned CivSAR pay just breaking through £40k. A figure was mentioned to me back in 2015 of £42k which may have been the top end (and therefore not for entrants).

You can perhaps see why my first question to the previous Bristow UK SAR Director when I first met her in 2015 was "Do you think you're paying your rearcrew enough?"

Then there is the licensing issue. The current CAA regime creates the category "SAR Technical Crew". That looks good in the pages of CAP 999 but aspects of the regime appear not to have the power behind it to create a successor competence that is appropriate for this service. That is why, writing elsewhere, I coined the term "Trolley dollies in drysuits" to describe the authority's approach. The obvious way ahead is take the world-leading step of making SAR Technical Crew a licensed aviation trade. A significant number of highly experienced SAR professionals believe in that approach although many of them are not saying it out loud since it will cost their employers a few pennies. It falls to those without a glittering aviation career to protect to sound off about these unmentionables. :rolleyes:

(Incoming! :eek:)

Sorry if that muddies the waters for you para232 but even the best job in the world can be made better. :ok:

Thomas coupling
4th Jan 2019, 10:55
SAR winchmen, paramedics, trauma teams, mountain rescuers, firemen et al...have never been properly remunerated for laying their lives on the line. A conundrum indeed.

jeepys
12th Jan 2019, 18:28
Well the cadetship requirements are now out in the open. Good luck.

pipertommy
12th Jan 2019, 18:40
Interesting read, basically you can be based anywhere in the UK and salary not stated. Have heard probably low 30's initially??
Such a dilemma, potentially a 10K paycut.

para232
12th Jan 2019, 20:13
Ohh this is very interesting, would probably jump ship from the NHS if I was successful.

Thanks people

13th Jan 2019, 17:54
You can start your training by waking yourself up at 2am and driving around in the hosing rain staring out of the window for a few hours - a good simulation of a night search (of which you will do plenty). Or, wake up at 2am, have a coffee and prepare a load of kit then try to go back to bed (good simulation of a cancelled night job) :)

Sadly, there is nothing to prepare you for the 200 -mile transit out into the Atlantic, opening the cabin door to look at the 30 -50 ft waves and the boat you are going to be winched down to pitching, rolling and heaving in a very alarming fashion - how are you with motion sickness by the way?

I wouldn't want to be accused of sugar-coating it - it probably is the best job in the world but it takes balls of steel. Just glad I always got to be up the front in the warm and generally dry cockpit.

Good luck:ok:

Hedski
13th Jan 2019, 20:03
Warm and dry? You flew a sea king.... Rumour pay as low as £25k. They are calling it a ‘cadetship’ after all. And if you can’t make specific dates then you’re out...? Doesn’t sound like you’ll get the best candidates that way. Also I would love to see half the current UKSAR senior rearcrew achieve what’s being asked, especially those at the top of the tree.

13th Jan 2019, 20:56
Hedski - I did say 'generally dry' ie it was dry when it wasn't raining:)

The cadetship stuff makes for interesting reading - lots of emphasis on physical fitness despite there being no requirement for existing technical crew to demonstrate that level of fitness nor even hold a class 2 medical............eyesight requirements anyone?

The shorthand seems to be 'We'll pay you as little as we think we can get away with and we'll post you where we like during your training - just don't expect anywhere down South until you have a few years under your belt'.

They could just pay a 3rd party provider to select and train new technical crew..............but they'll still have to do something about the salary....

para232
13th Jan 2019, 22:41
isit right theres only 4 vacancies? it says 4 cadetships? that seems very low, or isit 4 groups? therel be a lot of competition if theres only 4 vaccancies.

pipertommy
14th Jan 2019, 00:56
I was really looking forward to this opportunity. The job sounds absolutely fantastic.
I'm in current paramedic practice, ex Fleet Air Arm flight deck crew, I also hold a pilots license and class 1 medical. So a solid aviation background.
But if its £25,000 or even £30,000 I can't justify it. Paramedics on the road are on £45,000 Inc unsocial hours (top) , it would be to much of a pay cut.
Just says salary to be discussed?? Surely the pay should be at least the equivalent


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14th Jan 2019, 09:10
I believe you'll see a max of £35k, even after training until you can work your way up the pay spine. I gather they were warned about low salary but ignored the advice.

Apparently some AA charities are looking after their own paramedic contracts around the £50K mark so even more competition.

Orange_Medic
14th Jan 2019, 09:54
Morning all,

First post so be gentle! It mentions on the pack...

'DO NOT START the application process if you are unwilling to undertake and pass (at your own expense) the PPL(H) Meteorology and Navigation exams prior to attendance at Selection.'

What would the cost of this be any ideas been phoning around a few places and pretty much got chinned off!

snakepit
14th Jan 2019, 15:55
- They could just pay a 3rd party provider to select and train new technical crew..........

Could you recommend anyone? Cobham perchance?

14th Jan 2019, 17:26
Snakepit - well that is where the top-drawer SAR QHCIs not employed in UKSAR are:):ok:

snakepit
14th Jan 2019, 17:56
Snakepit - well that is where the top-drawer SAR QHCIs not employed in UKSAR are:):ok:

Indeed they are and what a good bunch too 👍.

Hedski
14th Jan 2019, 21:41
Asking candidates to undertake certain exams at their own expense prior to start. It really is Ryanair with blades. Absolute cheek

jimf671
15th Jan 2019, 01:18
The contract is due to start transitioning out in 2023 and runs through to 2026 but can be extended. The paramedic qualification changes in 2021 and there may be some pressure to get bums on seats, sorry, ar5es hanging out the door, before that takes effect.

The previous supply is in the course of drying up, market forces are against them, sub-contractors are expensive, alternative jobs are on land or in interesting places with warmer water, ...

It may require some luck to keep this on the rails.

pipertommy
15th Jan 2019, 08:31
Hi, what changes are expected in 2012

snakepit
15th Jan 2019, 09:55
Hi, what changes are expected in 2012

From the 1st Sept 2021 (I am assuming this is what you mean't Piper and not 2012?) any paramedic course must teach to level 6 (bachelor degree). Current courses are at L5 (Foundation degree or Cert of Higher Ed). This only affects students starting new courses from 1st Sept onward. All older courses will lose the approval to teach paramedics. There is no effect on those already on the register.

15th Jan 2019, 09:55
As I understand it, for existing paramedics no change - but the only route to getting a paramedic qual after 2021 will be through the degree course rather than doing on the job training as a technician.

Hedski - agreed but it's all about the costs and downloading as much risk and cost to the applicant rather than the company

pipertommy
15th Jan 2019, 15:34
Yeah sorry 2021, finger problem. Lol
Thanks.

jimf671
15th Jan 2019, 18:05
Hey Crab, what if the navy guys were right all along about it just being posh hovering? :E
They could swap the salaries around between the front and rear seats and they'd get all the paramedics they ever dreamed of. :rolleyes:

OvertHawk
15th Jan 2019, 19:03
Morning all,

First post so be gentle! It mentions on the pack...

'DO NOT START the application process if you are unwilling to undertake and pass (at your own expense) the PPL(H) Meteorology and Navigation exams prior to attendance at Selection.'

What would the cost of this be any ideas been phoning around a few places and pretty much got chinned off!

Cost of this should not be significant - if it's PPLH (very different story if it's CPLH) - for anyone with a decent level of school education. Buy the books and self study then bung an instructor a few quid for a couple of hours revision and you should be fine.

15th Jan 2019, 20:25
They could swap the salaries around between the front and rear seats and they'd get all the paramedics they ever dreamed of. https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies2/icon_rolleyes.gif yes, you can tell the head guys involved in the bid were pilots and not rearcrew.........They could have swopped 10 -15K from front to rear and still had full take-up of all the positions. I'm amazed any of the RN Observers went across.

jimf671
16th Jan 2019, 09:57
... ... I'm amazed any of the RN Observers went across.

Probably just curiosity. :rolleyes:

jeepys
10th Feb 2019, 17:25
The salary guide is out in the latest information pack.
Better than I thought but unlikely to tempt existing mil paramedics over.

Hedski
10th Feb 2019, 19:42
So how much is it?

10th Feb 2019, 20:25
What they should be doing is offering sponsorship through paramedic training for those who can pass a basic rearcrew selection process - then pay them as they train using the summer holidays as opportunities to send them to SAR flights to gain experience in the aviation role.

That way at the end of the process they have suitable candidates with both paramedic and flying experience - not rocket science but takes planning.

TUPE
11th Feb 2019, 08:10
Whilst undertaking FSTD training the Training Salary will be £28,500 PA; this is expected to last c. 9 months. Once the training moves to the aircraft you will move to the Cadet Pay Scale which, including Paramedic Allowance, begins at £36,400. During the course of the five year Cadet Pay Scale there are annual increments which currently expect the Cadet scale to finish at £41,500. After the Cadetship the successful applicant will move to SAR Paramedic Winch Crew Pay Scale which currently starts at £42,700 (including Paramedic Allowance) with annual increments for sixteen levels, currently taking the SAR Paramedic Winch Crew to c. £53,200. Salaries are based upon working an average of 8 SAR shifts per month and working up to the Civil Aviation (Working Time) Regulations duty hour limitation (currently 2,000 duty hours). In addition Bristow offers a competitive benefits package including BUPA membership, up to 9% matched pension contributions (dependent upon length of service) including death in service benefit, Share Incentive Programme and Cycle to Work Scheme.

http://prod-app-01.bristowgroup.com/_assets/filer/2019/02/04/cadetship_briefing_pack.pdf

Sumpor Stylee
11th Feb 2019, 09:00
Wow. Not to put anyone off who really wants the job but they literally have just created from nothing a 5 year pay scale below year 1 which until now was the entry point including previous civilian paramedic joiners ex HEMS or simply road ambulance, whichever. So now you don’t get paid as a regular crewmember for 5 years and 9 months, even though after training moves to the operational aircraft you are filling a line on the roster of a full crewmember as if not line checked within a year or maybe as little as 6 months then you’ll probably not be considered suitable and be got rid of. Such a con it’s unreal. Where are the ever wonderful BALPA on this? Given their never ending support for the oil and gas mainstream mafia in our industry yet our dedicated SAR brethren are left to the side as always.

11th Feb 2019, 11:29
How many of the current SAR Paramedic winchmen are actually on £53,200?

drugsdontwork
11th Feb 2019, 15:45
How many of the current SAR Paramedic winchmen are actually on £53,200?

Ask how many of them would go back to the military. Good luck to those who apply. An amazing job 👍

Bap70
11th Feb 2019, 16:54
I,m quite surprised by the salary package. Even after 5 years, successful cadetship, staff salaries will still be falling short of NHS paramedics. I can see that the job role will be attractive to many, but unlikely to lure experienced HEMS or HART paramedics who arguably have more of a similar skill set, having also many years of paramedic experience.
The starting salary is only likely to attract more junior paramedics on Band 5 salaries with limited experience. Still an awesome job though.

Hot_LZ
11th Feb 2019, 18:32
How many days a month do HEMS/HART/Road paramedics work?

LZ

11th Feb 2019, 18:35
Ask how many of them would go back to the military. Good luck to those who apply. An amazing job if you could remove the uncertainty of the military shift plot (due to undermanning) and reinstate their previous wages then I suspect a few would jump back.

It's irrelevant since it won't ever happen now SAR has been removed from the military but not everyone is happy with how Bristow is run - it's certainly not a meritocracy.

It is an amazing job but when there is only one employer in town there isn't really a choice who you work for.

Bap70
11th Feb 2019, 18:58
How many days a month do HEMS/HART/Road paramedics work?

LZ
12 - 15 x 11.25 Hr shifts per month (Annualised Rota). I would imagine the weekly hours would be fairly similar as the SAR guys & gals do 24 HR shifts.

jeepys
11th Feb 2019, 21:17
I,m quite surprised by the salary package. Even after 5 years, successful cadetship, staff salaries will still be falling short of NHS paramedics. I can see that the job role will be attractive to many, but unlikely to lure experienced HEMS or HART paramedics who arguably have more of a similar skill set, having also many years of paramedic experience.
The starting salary is only likely to attract more junior paramedics on Band 5 salaries with limited experience. Still an awesome job though.

Perhaps this is the type of applicant they want.

Para1234
2nd Mar 2019, 08:42
That's recruitment finished for the cadetship. Does anyone know if a large amount of paramedics applied? Or did the pay put people off?

snakepit
7th Mar 2019, 19:51
That's recruitment finished for the cadetship. Does anyone know if a large amount of paramedics applied? Or did the pay put people off?

Did you apply Para1234?

Para1234
7th Mar 2019, 20:04
Yep just waiting to hear

snakepit
8th Mar 2019, 11:24
Yep just waiting to hear

Good luck, maybe you are best placed to say what the interest was then??

Para1234
8th Mar 2019, 12:04
Interesting job...Heard bristows decent employer and look after staff better than nhs. Pay is low but can easily supplement that with bank paramedic work

Same again
8th Mar 2019, 17:53
Good luck, maybe you are best placed to say what the interest was then??

I believe that there are single digit places and that there were 200+ applicants.

9th Mar 2019, 08:44
4 places I have heard.

it will add problems when the cadets are ghosting shifts to gain experience as they won't, as I understand it, be classed as technical crew because they aren't fully trained and are therefore passengers on operational SAR flights.

jeepys
9th Mar 2019, 13:19
4 places I have heard.

it will add problems when the cadets are ghosting shifts to gain experience as they won't, as I understand it, be classed as technical crew because they aren't fully trained and are therefore passengers on operational SAR flights.

What problems will that add?

10th Mar 2019, 17:54
I suspect it will depend on what the SAR AOC allows them to do with pax on board - apart from that you have another untrained person for the crew to look after.

Just passing on thoughts from someone who had concerns.

lowfat
12th Mar 2019, 14:53
its no different then when they carry a Mid wife or road ambulance paramedic. At least its a fully qualified Paramedic that is learning the air skills and isnt frightened of a bit of blood.

12th Mar 2019, 18:02
But they don't generally carry those people to the job and have them on board for the riskier elements of it.

VFR-Seek and Destroy
12th Mar 2019, 23:08
4 places I have heard.

it will add problems when the cadets are ghosting shifts to gain experience as they won't, as I understand it, be classed as technical crew because they aren't fully trained and are therefore passengers on operational SAR flights.

Just curious,

Are SAR operations regulated by EASA / EU legislation or are they regulated by the NAA of the contracting State.
Just wondering if that affects the status of TCMs as my understanding is that they have status under EASA but under the UK CAA they would be considered passengers as UK legislation says you’ve either a pilot or passenger.
But I could be completely wrong on that interpretation as I know nothing about SAR ops.

13th Mar 2019, 07:12
Another question might be who pays for their training hours? While they can, perhaps, ride along on crew training and SAROps, any training hours dedicated to them can't be revenue flights and MCA have only paid for hours to keep the present crews current, not to train new ones.

Just asking....

Just to add, heard the Newquay S92 go out early this morning to rescue 6 fishermen from a boat off Lands End in 6M waves and very strong winds.

Great job guys:ok:

Would be interested to see what a cadet would make of that job watching the winchman trying to get aboard and thinking 'Oooer, that could be me next time' :)

lowfat
13th Mar 2019, 09:43
aircraft "tasked "to SAR missions are Under the ANO and not easa regulated. All other flights are easa regulated unless Brexit changes that.

jeepys
13th Mar 2019, 15:27
Crab, yes a great job done by the Newquay crew. I don’t know how they managed it with only 50 training hours allocated per month, no 360 radar and no standby crew!

Only pulling your leg but I do agree with your cadet remark.

steve_para
18th Mar 2019, 14:28
Anyone heard anything back?

BH website says 31st latest offer on selection. If nothing before then assume unsuccessful.

Para1234
21st Mar 2019, 11:01
Not heard of anything either. Was told should hear by tomorrow if succesfull

snakepit
21st Mar 2019, 12:35
Just to add, heard the Newquay S92 go out early this morning to rescue 6 fishermen from a boat off Lands End in 6M waves and very strong winds.

Great job guys:ok:

Would be interested to see what a cadet would make of that job watching the winchman trying to get aboard and thinking 'Oooer, that could be me next time' :)

How is a cadet background any different to any other TC background when faced with a big deck for the first time?

You train, then you do, then you train more. In SAR you hope on every mission that the training has prepared you sufficiently for the task you are faced with and have to be prepared to be adaptable and inventive when it hasn't.

212man
21st Mar 2019, 14:42
Not heard of anyone hearing either. Heard should hear by tomorrow if succesfull

That's a lot of hearing......

22nd Mar 2019, 06:49
How is a cadet background any different to any other TC background when faced with a big deck for the first time?

You train, then you do, then you train more. In SAR you hope on every mission that the training has prepared you sufficiently for the task you are faced with and have to be prepared to be adaptable and inventive when it hasn't.
Yes and the current TC were (mainly) trained in the military with hours to burn for all that preparation for the nasty jobs.

Just how much live training, especially in difficult conditions, will the cadets get before they are let out by themselves? Just how much non-revenue flying will be dedicated to their progression?

I'm not saying the right candidate won't be capable, just that seeing it for real the first time could be a real eye-opener.

Hot_LZ
22nd Mar 2019, 20:35
As an example, the winchman on the highlighted Newquay job was a Bristow trained TC who joined not too long back. He performed as we would expect. No one is going to let the new joiners go it alone unless they meet that required standard.

LZ

cig32
23rd Mar 2019, 10:20
Not heard of anything either. Was told should hear by tomorrow if succesfull


I received a phone call yesterday informing I've been successful at the application stage and will be going forward to the assessment stage.

There were about 300 applications and 20 people have been shortlisted.

Sorry to all those who've not been successful this time around.

steve_para
25th Mar 2019, 12:28
I received a phone call yesterday informing I've been successful at the application stage and will be going forward to the assessment stage.

There were about 300 applications and 20 people have been shortlisted.

Sorry to all those who've not been successful this time around.

Congratulations. Not heard anything so assume unsuccessful this time.

Could I ask what your background is if you don’t mind so I’ve got an idea what I can work on for another time?

thanks

TUPE
25th Mar 2019, 12:55
Congratulations. Not heard anything so assume unsuccessful this time.

Could I ask what your background is if you don’t mind so I’ve got an idea what I can work on for another time?

thanks



Ask Bristow for feedback. They should be able to tell you areas you can work on. Good luck.

Para1234
25th Mar 2019, 15:33
They had over 500 apply, not sure they would give feedback? But I agree would be useful to find out what they after

snakepit
25th Mar 2019, 16:39
Yes and the current TC were (mainly) trained in the military with hours to burn for all that preparation for the nasty jobs.

Just how much live training, especially in difficult conditions, will the cadets get before they are let out by themselves? Just how much non-revenue flying will be dedicated to their progression?

I'm not saying the right candidate won't be capable, just that seeing it for real the first time could be a real eye-opener.

I still don’t get your point Crab? As hot LZ has pointed out the winchman on the job you picked as an example of a tough Deck was not an ex military trained TC. Maybe your friend should try being a glass half full guy instead of half empty, ;-)?

I am sure the Bristow guys and girls know the rules and regs they have to work within and will fund training accordingly and to a level that they consider sufficient and safe. It is a continuing reality that UK SAR TC was and still is completely without national regulation. As long as that situation continues any SAR operator that holds the contract can train what they want, how they want, so it’s the regulator that holds the cards for which direction SAR TC training will ultimately take IMHO. Either the CAA want oversight or they don’t? In the mean time the general public, though they don’t know it, will have to simply rely on Bristow to set and maintain a high standard because nothing forces them by law to train to a measured standard. However, that situation is no different to how the MOD did things. They kept a high standard through experience and pride not because it was regulated. It is difficult to imagine any contractor that holds this contract now or in the future not wanting to run a safe and efficient operation; not only is it good business sense but it’s reported almost daily the pride and professionalism that still exists in SAR in the UK. I agree it would be much better if we didn’t have to rely on good will and pride....

It will be interesting to see how the Cadetship turns out but one thing is sure, the MOD was and still is broke. Much they did in SAR was groundbreaking and to be celebrated, but much was not and it’s easy to remember the excessive shifts and long working hours with rose tinted glasses blaming everything on “factors beyond their control”. Lack of manning is down to lack of resource and that was and is influenced and controlled by management at all levels of the MOD. The bottomless pit you are so fond of did not exist. I agree there was a seemingly bottomless pit of military ‘can do’ but sometimes that’s one of the factors that leads to being taken advantage of for years if not decades. In my time the pay back for good will was the military covenant, very sadly now, and for many years, that’s simply been a running joke.

And..... back to sleep

26th Mar 2019, 12:58
I still don’t get your point Crab? As hot LZ has pointed out the winchman on the job you picked as an example of a tough Deck was not an ex military trained TC. Yes, - and my point is that he was trained well, military or not, and I suspect not under the present contract.

The present contract has a certain number of training hours which are for existing crews to retain skills and currency, not for training up new people from scratch - I believe the MCA have already asked questions over the use of the training hours they pay for being used incorrectly.

So we come back to the question of how many hours training will be dedicated to the cadets? I thought Bristow were supposed to have set up a SAR training 'academy' but they have been so busy converting to 139 and then to 189, I don't see much evidence of it.

The idea of training new SAR TC is great but it needs money thrown at it to do it properly - ie with the high internal standards you mentioned in Bristow SAR and the Mil - not a search for the cheapest route to fill a seat to meet the contract.

Hawksridge
27th Mar 2019, 02:09
If the particular winchman concerned is the one I think it was, then his background is very atypical and he has an extremely varied background in civ and mil SAR flying before joining UK SAR - certainly not just a run of the mill paramedic turned Sarboy - and as Crab says, was trained outside the UK SAR contract. A unique individual from a unique background and a completely different ball game to the current Cadetship training programme, so it's unreasonable to tout this fella as a demonstration of potential success in the non ex-mil TC world. However, speaking as someone with just a little bit of experience in these matters - I think what matters is 3 things - 1 = selecting the right person with 2 = the right aptitude to put through 3 = the right training programme. After all, that's al we ever did in the military........right person right aptitude, proper training programme. As there are so many other 'experts' out there, I'll leave it to you lot to decide if the current Cadetship programme will deliver in all 3 areas. I have my opinion, and I'll be happy to share it over a beer sometime..........

Para1234
17th Jun 2019, 14:40
So having obviously missed out on thr cadetship is it likely bristows will run another one next year or will the 4 candidates fill all the vacancies?

Hawksridge
17th Jun 2019, 14:51
So having obviously missed out on thr cadetship is it likely bristows will run another one next year or will the 4 candidates fill all the vacancies?

There are still quite a few years left to run on the contract and they will have a continuing need for recruitment - probably small numbers though. Looking at the training pathway for these new guys, I suspect there will be some fine tuning (always is when doing something for the first time) of the selection and training process, but there will be future recruitment, I’m sure.

Para1234
3rd Aug 2020, 14:35
Out of interest did the cadets taken on get onto helicopters yet? How did it go? Is it likely bristows are going to recruit again? Desperate for the opportunity

lowfat
3rd Aug 2020, 15:15
Out of interest did the cadets taken on get onto helicopters yet? How did it go? Is it likely bristows are going to recruit again? Desperate for the opportunity
They are on shift and working successfully. As to the next round of recruitment I have no idea.

3rd Aug 2020, 18:29
They are on shift and working successfully. does that mean operational without supervision? If not, how long until they are fully operationally qualified?

steve_para
15th Feb 2022, 10:59
Hi all,

I’ve applied for this years ab inito winch paramedic cadetship. Haven’t heard anything back - has anyone else applied / heard anything?

😬
Thanks

nbl
16th Feb 2022, 04:45
Not much help but Bristow Twitter says closed on 2 Feb. They will only contract those who were successful.

steve_para
16th Feb 2022, 12:53
Not much help but Bristow Twitter says closed on 2 Feb. They will only contract those who were successful.

Have you applied?

Fingers crossed

Juantinco
18th Feb 2022, 10:52
I applied as well this time round.
No news here either.
If you log into your account you applied with on the bristow webstie it shows your application status - mine says complete - not sure what that means though!

steve_para
18th Feb 2022, 13:02
I applied as well this time round.
No news here either.
If you log into your account you applied with on the bristow webstie it shows your application status - mine says complete - not sure what that means though!

Fingers crossed to both of us. Amazing opportunity.

Medevac999
18th Feb 2022, 17:09
Fingers crossed to both of us. Amazing opportunity.
i think you will find that complete means your application has been closed and if you haven’t heard anything then you have been unsuccessful. Bristow HR are not the best at communicating unless you have been selected for a interview. Sad but true.

steve_para
21st Feb 2022, 15:40
Not sure if anyone has heard but be good to have a date at least to know if you’re unsuccessful

Para1234
21st Feb 2022, 16:00
End of month I think

steve_para
21st Feb 2022, 22:14
End of month I think

Have you applied? If so have you logged in to your application to see what it says?

Have they said somewhere by end of the month?

3rd Mar 2022, 11:26
Chris Bradshaw has just posted on Linked-In regarding the SAR Paramedic selection - if you are in you'll know by the end of this week, if you are not then you should be emailed soon after. Good luck all.

Medevac999
18th Mar 2022, 15:36
Out of interest the Pilots jobs advertised for Bristow NL SAR contract. Did anyone on this forum get a interview or even a update?

chcoffshore
21st Mar 2022, 08:37
Out of interest the Pilots jobs advertised for Bristow NL SAR contract. Did anyone on this forum get a interview or even a update?
Unfortunately with the robot generated replies when a application has been submitted never include a point of contact. With companies now starting to look for qualified people then HR beware! It takes just a minute to update candidates who have taken time to apply. Don't ghost them.

Para1234
21st Mar 2022, 08:39
Have you applied? If so have you logged in to your application to see what it says?

Have they said somewhere by end of the month?

did you get an interview?

steve_para
24th Mar 2022, 21:10
did you get an interview?

Afraid not, know what I need to work on but very disappointing.

did you apply? If so any luck?

Juantinco
14th Jan 2023, 12:08
Have noticed Bristow are looking for EOI for Winch operator and Winch Paramedic's. A little confused as I would imagine there is quite a small pool of qualified people able to apply. Not sure if this means a return of the cadet programme is likely?