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Could be the last?
18th Dec 2018, 17:33
Is that it.........?
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/765879/ModernisingDefenceProgramme_report_2018_FINAL.pdf
Onceapilot
18th Dec 2018, 18:03
Not as good as some Christmas adverts.:rolleyes:
OAP
Sun Who
18th Dec 2018, 18:46
Completely content free. Surely that can't be it?
Sun.
weemonkey
18th Dec 2018, 20:49
It is a load of tosh supplemented with some colour photographs.
It seems the MOD just can't bear to question it's own mantra.
The Rt Hon Gavin Williamson, CBE MP, Secretary of State for Defence, has stated that we need to look East.
BUT the MOD still thinks about expeditionary warfare, carriers and F35.
Look at the images [I can't yet post images to substantiate my argument] it's just light manpower, vehicles and equipment.
Ask the Ukrainians about "light".
Sends/salute!
Melchett01
18th Dec 2018, 21:27
It talks about establishing a 50,000 strong expeditionary Force. Shouldn’t that be re-establishing the ability to field a 50,000 strong expeditionary Force? If memory serves that was pretty much what we deployed on TELIC 1 back in 2003!
Jumping_Jack
19th Dec 2018, 08:13
I have seen it described as 'Mostly Drawings & Pictures', which I thought was apt given that 10 of the 28 pages are piccies!
The Times:
”This is not a golden age of political oratory. Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn can empty rooms with their eloquence and many MPs follow their example. The bland are leading the bland. Yet even in this rhetorical wasteland new standards for gibberish can be set. Yesterday we heard a wonderfully vacuous speech by Gavin Williamson, a masterclass in the verbal form known as “management guff”.
It was said of Winston Churchill that he “mobilised the English language and sent it into battle”. Mr Williamson, the defence secretary, has invited the English language to a focus group where he hopes to matrix the fungible potentialities and leverage some fresh communication protocols for stakeholders based on existing performance-based models.
His statement had no real purpose other than to mark six months since he had “set out headline conclusions on the modernising defence programme” and to crow about the £1.8 billion extra he got in the budget. We may have a leadership contest soon and Mr Williamson wants to remind people that he is a contender. It was hard to tell from his speech if he even has a pulse.......”
Lyneham Lad
19th Dec 2018, 10:14
To paraphrase from WW1 - currently our Armed Forces are "lions led by asses."
Asturias56
19th Dec 2018, 17:57
Totally rubbished in today s Times...... "General Waffle has weaponised jargon"
10 out of 28pages are pics or graphics
"no real purpose other than to remind people he is a possible contender in a leadership contest.."
chevvron
20th Dec 2018, 08:07
It talks about establishing a 50,000 strong expeditionary Force. Shouldn’t that be re-establishing the ability to field a 50,000 strong expeditionary Force? If memory serves that was pretty much what we deployed on TELIC 1 back in 2003!
Most people don't even recall the first time Iraq (one of Saddam's predecessors) threatened Kuwait back in 1961 when we stepped in and reacted without anybody else taking part.
Google 'Operation Vantage' if you don't believe me.
3 years later, Labour came to power and started dismantling our armed forces saying something like 'there was no further role for us East of Suez' thus ensuring we could never do the same thing unaided again.
Asturias56
20th Dec 2018, 12:23
Could you have afforded to keep an East of Suez capability for 30 years "just in case"? I thought the country was going bust .................
chevvron
21st Dec 2018, 08:06
Could you have afforded to keep an East of Suez capability for 30 years "just in case"? I thought the country was going bust .................
Sea forces sent included a commando carrier, an aircraft carrier, 4 destroyers and 6 frigates; I don't think we even have that many ships nowadays!
pr00ne
21st Dec 2018, 08:49
chevvron,
The massive dismantling of the permanent peace time Armed Forces was begun by the Tory party in 1957. If you are going to get political about this at least get your facts and dates right.
The UK could still do what it did in Kuwait in 1961.
Could be the last?
21st Dec 2018, 08:51
I wonder with the events at LGW over the last 24 hrs that any funds (£160m innovation) will now be diverted to countering small uavs, I imagine this will not be an isolated incident!