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hillbillybob
13th Dec 2018, 10:40
Bob's on the book of faces complaining about grounded 44's and how it is a manageable issue, anyone shine any light what he is on about

tail wheel
13th Dec 2018, 19:35
"Ergon suspends Qld helicopter contractors on cusp of cyclone for manageable 'issue'"
https://www.bobkatter.com.au/module/latestNews/view/980/ergon-suspends-qld-helicopter-contractors-on-cusp-of-cyclone-for-manageable-issue/media-releases

rutan around
13th Dec 2018, 19:49
WTF is Ergon doing getting involved in micro managing aviation. They can't even run a power company without bleeding their customers dry.

hillbillybob
14th Dec 2018, 00:50
"Ergon suspends Qld helicopter contractors on cusp of cyclone for manageable 'issue'"
https://www.bobkatter.com.au/module/latestNews/view/980/ergon-suspends-qld-helicopter-contractors-on-cusp-of-cyclone-for-manageable-issue/media-releases

yeah that is the same as the fb post. I was wondering what the actual issue was

Cool banana
14th Dec 2018, 01:05
This might be the problem.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-08/helicopter-engine-failure-avgas-risks-casa-warning/10083928
Helicopters at risk of mid-air failure, federal regulator warns northern Australia operatorsBy Kristy O'Brien (https://www.abc.net.au/news/kristy-obrien/166984)Updated 8 Aug 2018, 7:57am

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PHOTO: The premature engine damage may be due to changes in aviation gas. (Landline: Kerry Staight) (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-08/mustering-on-henbury-station/10085076)
RELATED STORY: Arnhem Land children sniffing aviation fuel in 'public health emergency' (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-15/aviation-fuel-sniffing-on-elcho-island-a-public-emergency/8521020)The lives of all helicopter operators in Northern Australia are at risk because a key engine component is wearing out much faster than it should — possibly because of a change to aviation gas composition — and it may cause a mid-air failure.Key points:

Helicopter engine cylinders are degrading after only a few hundred hours in the air
CASA has warned pilots about the risks, which include mid-air failure
A stakeholder group has been formed to investigate the cause of the problem



The Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) has warned pilots operating R-22 or R-44 helicopters in the northern regions of Australia about the risks, particularly those using them for mustering.

It is not yet clear if other operators of piston aircraft should take precautions.

Many in the aviation community have been privately expressing concerns for the past 12 months about the large number of helicopter engines with cylinders that have eroded or become damaged after only a few hundred hours in the air.

CASA has now declared it a problem, and stated it is seeing "increasing evidence of premature exhaust valve and valve guide wear, due to elevated combustion temperatures that will lead to degraded engine performance".

It is widely theorised the problem may be linked to the reduction of lead in aviation gas supplied to northern Australia a few years ago, from 0.86 to 0.56 per gram.

In 2017 there was a dramatic spike in sniffing of aviation fuel, particularly in one Indigenous community where children were breaking into the airport to steal AVGAS from aircraft (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-15/aviation-fuel-sniffing-on-elcho-island-a-public-emergency/8521020).

The lowering of the lead content in AVGAS is now a main line of inquiry for a stakeholder group — made up of fuel manufactures, engine manufacturers, pilots, engineers, and CASA — that has been formed to investigate the engine problem.

CASA spokesperson Peter Gibson said they were looking into it as a matter of urgency.



"A clear understanding of all potential causative factors need to be established before any solution can be recommended."

"It's also having an economic impact with helicopter companies now having to ground aircraft for longer durations and replacing cylinders more frequently."

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PHOTO: The premature wearing of a helicopter engine component is putting musterers in particular at risk. (ABC) (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-08/mustering-pilots-in-hot-demand-across-northern-australia/10085060)'It could cause someone to fall out of the sky'John Armstrong, who has been a pilot for more than 30 years, said he knew of at least three incidents in the last 12 months where a helicopter had failed mid-air due to this particular issue.

"We have heard that there is some problems with this type of fuel 100, low lead they call it in America, but we have only heard that on the by and by," he said.

"But we are unique in the world with our R-22 population, in that we've got several hundred of these gadgets operating across a fairly hot temperature profile year round."

Andrew Lumsden, who is the chief engineer at North Australia Helicopters in the Northern Territory, said he had seen a huge spike in problems with cylinders in the past 18 months, most with very little hours on them.

"We've changed cylinders here that have as low as 98 hours from brand new," he said.



Katherine Aircraft Maintenance Services owner Campbell Elliott, who has been a helicopter engineer for the past 20 years, said valves were breaking up in flight without warning.

"The only reason we pick it is because we are aware of the issue and we are doing these inspections more intensely then we have ever done," he said.

He and many others are concerned that it is only a matter of time before someone falls out of the sky.

"It has an effect on morale — you worry about it and sometimes you're lying at night there trying to figure out what the issue is," he said.

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