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2unlimited
27th Nov 2018, 03:06
Recently having seen Trump slowly loosing his marbles in more than one way, I have started to see some interesting parallels between Trump and Hitler.

The AMERICA FIRST rhetoric have probably not been seen in the world since Hitler made his famous speeches about how Germany was going to be first, the German people first - it's scary how little people remember from history - Never was so much owed by so many to so few - we seem to forget the hate rhetoric.

Equally Trumps love in with world dictators such as Kim Jong Un, Putin, Saudi Arabia - not to dissimilar to Hitlers pact with Stalin, Mussolini and Franco + South American dictators of his time like Peron.

The constant firing of people investigating him, he has clearly found who to blame for all of USA's problems, the Muslims and the Mexicans. He has already shown himself as the "bully" on the world stage, trying to demand respect, when he has done very little to deserve this.

Add the fact he is trying to shut down the freedom of speech, if there is anyone who speaks negative about them, than he shouts and tweets Fake News. He equally tried to ban certain journalists from CNN to the white house using his "personal power".

There are many examples how he has tried to derail the investigation against him, failing to distance himself from far right Nazi's example in Charlotteville, where he did not distance himself from the KKK and Nazi protesters, just saying that "many sides" had caused issues.
Of course he would not want to distance himself from a large voter group, who seem him as their first president in the USA, who seems to be supporting their perverse views.

Constantly trying to influence the Mueller enquiry, firing whoever he does not like, Sessions, Yates, Bharara and Comney, all was involved in investigating Trump.
His disregard to his own CIA regarding the Khashoggi murder by the Saudis, Trumps best friend.

If the rhetoric of America First America First repeated with such passion does not make the alarms bells ring that we have a mad man in the white house, than I suggest people revisit some of their history lessons, to see how Hitler used nearly the exact same phrases.

double_barrel
27th Nov 2018, 03:36
“....the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”

— Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

But Hitler at least had a consistent (if crazed) belief and philosophy. Trump cynically says whatever is convenient. Look at his history on 2nd amendment, Iraq war, Russia - he blamed Obama for being weak with Putin!!! It seems that Trump does not really believe or care about anything except Trump - he just chooses what to say for popular effect. Also Hitler seems to have built a fiercely loyal team of senior people around him. Trump is incapable of that for obvious reasons.

So although their methods have a lot in common, Trump is fortunately much dumber, weaker and less effective than Hitler.

Lonewolf_50
27th Nov 2018, 04:23
Eva Braun was younger.
Hitler, he only had one ball (song reference, folks) ... and as far as we know, never reproduced.
German food was and remains much heavier, and German beer much better.
Trump doesn't drink. Rumor has it that Hitler was vegetarian. (Can't recall if that's substantiated or not, and it's late)
Trump eats Big Macs.
Hitler served on Western Front, got wounded, and was IIRC decorated.
Trump never served.
Trump grew up in the wealthy class. Hitler grew up poor.
Hitler actually wrote his book / pamphlet: Mein Kampf.
Not so sure Trump wrote "Art of the Deal" ... even though his name's on it.
Hmm, comparisons difficult.
Trump set fire to the Republican party, slash and burn, to get the nom. Succeeded.
Hitler set fire to, or had fire set to, the Reichstag.

currawong
27th Nov 2018, 04:33
Lame....

But I will bite.

I don't know if I could get on with him personally but I will give the man credit for the following -

He is not a career politician so therefore not obliged to kiss anyone on the behind.

Sacking public servants? Should be more of it.

And last but not least, World War 3 was supposed to kick off just after he took charge. It hasn't.:rolleyes:

Oh, and the left hate him. Which kind of makes me like him...

CroqueMonsieur
27th Nov 2018, 04:48
Hitler was a socialist. Trump isn't. Trump is not like Hitler at all.

I find it offensive that someone who killed millions directly and led to the deaths of millions more indirectly can be compared to Trump.

In a world where everything is fascism, everything is racism and anyone with a different world view is 'literally Hitler' the words lose meaning. What then happens when we come across real fascism, racism or literally Hitler reincarnated?

2unlimited
27th Nov 2018, 05:02
— Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

But Hitler at least had a consistent (if crazed) belief and philosophy. Trump cynically says whatever is convenient. Look at his history on 2nd amendment, Iraq war, Russia - he blamed Obama for being weak with Putin!!! It seems that Trump does not really believe or care about anything except Trump - he just chooses what to say for popular effect. Also Hitler seems to have built a fiercely loyal team of senior people around him. Trump is incapable of that for obvious reasons.

So although their methods have a lot in common, Trump is fortunately much dumber, weaker and less effective than Hitler.

I can not disagree in much of what you or Lonewolf 50 say there.
In the start I firmly believed give the guy a chance, however as time has passed I have started to change my opinion.
Some of his statements and rhetoric is sounding dangerously similar to Hitler, starting to get curious where he finds his inspiration for his rhetoric, as I doubt he is smart enough to get this all from his own ideas. Sounds fairly scripted, when he goes on America First.

"He is not a career politician so therefore not obliged to kiss anyone on the behind" - Well I have to disagree, I don't think I have seen a president so keen to kiss the Saudi prince behind as Trump, I guess he does not want to mess up his hotel / property deals with the Saudis. Or what about: "President Trump reportedly referred to Haiti and countries in Africa as “shithole countries” and called for more immigrants from places like Norway at an Oval Office meeting "
We know that Hitler saw the Scandinavien as part of his ideal world of the Aryan race.

However demonic Hitler was, he was clearly by a mile way smarter than the Trump will ever be. Yet Trump have let himself dumb himself down, without possessing a share of intelligence before or when he speaks.

2unlimited
27th Nov 2018, 05:10
Hitler was a socialist. Trump isn't. Trump is not like Hitler at all.

I find it offensive that someone who killed millions directly and led to the deaths of millions more indirectly can be compared to Trump.

In a world where everything is fascism, everything is racism and anyone with a different world view is 'literally Hitler' the words lose meaning. What then happens when we come across real fascism, racism or literally Hitler reincarnated?

Well we live in a free world, which allows us to be offensive, I guess that is part of freedom of speech.
I also suggest you get some improved history lessons if you believe Hitler was a socialist, was it one thing he despised more than anything else, than it was the communism. The Nazi party was an Anti-Socialist movement. Right wing, you know most socialists are Left wing.
There's a big difference between fascism and socialism, in that they're COMPLETE OPPOSITES. Hitler and his party was fascist - 1. Saw themselves as racially/nationally superior, 2. Wanted rearmament & expansion, 3. Consolidated capital. In other words - definitely not socialists.

No doubt that Trump have similar inclinations, he comes out with America First, American Money First, American Business First before anything else, it's just America First. He has made America / USA an international laughing stock - with all his stupid comments - he has lost all the respect I had for him, if there was ever any.

I find it offensive that Trump supports a regime like Saudi Arabia, and have "no balls" to stand up for the values we believe are right, as we can see for Trump, as long as the Price is Right, he does not care.
He will even try to spin it in a bad way, to accuse Khassogi was a treat to the Arabic state, and part of the brotherhood, so Trump even actively tried to discredit a man, which his own CIA had told him had been murdered in cold blood on orders of the Saudi prince.

So if you want to elevate Trump to some kind of saving angel, I am sorry, I will have to disagree with you, regardless of what offence you take.
The rhetoric America First, was the same as Hitler said during the 30's during his rise to power - German people first. Sure one is a lame dumb Donald Duck, the other an evil monster who nearly conquered the world with his madness.

Hempy
27th Nov 2018, 05:59
Ah the old ‘Hitler was a Socialist’ chestnut, trotted out by conservatives every time right wing politics and the word Nazi are found in the same sentence. The problem with trying to claim that historical fallacy as fact is that anyone who has made even the most basic study of the Third Reich knows that it’s absolute garbage.

Naming of the NSDAP was purely based on popularism. Hitler was appealing to the masses based on the leanings of the German populace at the time. After the Munich Beer Hall Putsch he realised that the only way to achieve his aims was through the ballot box - the parties name and most of their policies were purely designed to put Hitler in power. We know what happened when he got there.

The German National Socialist Workers Party was as ‘socialist’ and for the ‘workers’ as the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is ‘democratic’ and for the ‘people’. If you simply see the word ‘socialist’ and use it as a keystone for an argument about Hitlers political leanings you are a simpleton.

As for Trump, I agree with Lonewolf. He’s a wannabe no doubt, but he’s not even in the same league.

Ancient Mariner
27th Nov 2018, 06:39
Read up on the raise and fall of Mussolini, now there's an early Trump.
Per

ThorMos
27th Nov 2018, 07:10
Hitler was a socialist. <snip>

Show, you have no idea of history in four words. Check!

Krystal n chips
27th Nov 2018, 07:27
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Strangely, Sam Cooke's " A change is gonna come " isn't available on the record library of said widget ......

I am just awaiting the arrival of some visitors, all dressed the same and wearing sunglasses....possibly a give away in the current murk and gloom here in downtown Staffordshire they may not be locals.......

sitigeltfel
27th Nov 2018, 07:43
"Accuse the other side of that of which you are guilty."

pattern_is_full
27th Nov 2018, 08:11
"Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce." - Karl Marx, The 18th Brumaire of Louis Napoleon.

Hitler was the tragedy - Trump is the farce. Although he may be able to do a certain small amount of damage before he is - excreted.

Nemrytter
27th Nov 2018, 08:41
In a world where everything is fascism, everything is racism and anyone with a different world view is 'literally Hitler' the words lose meaning. What then happens when we come across real fascism, racism or literally Hitler reincarnated?That world only exists inside your paranoid mind, dearie.

ShotOne
27th Nov 2018, 09:18
“Are they that different..?” I’ve not noticed any extermination camps and contrary to the predictions of his political opponents, Trump hasn’t started any wars. On the contrary, he’s done pretty much exactly what he said he was going to. Of course that’s damning in some eyes

Gertrude the Wombat
27th Nov 2018, 09:22
And last but not least, World War 3 was supposed to kick off just after he took charge. It hasn't.:rolleyes:
One view is that it's going on right now, and the "good" side is losing.

Pontius Navigator
27th Nov 2018, 09:34
There's a big difference between fascism and socialism, in that they're COMPLETE OPPOSITES.

Like Democratic people Republic is anything but democratic.

ORAC
27th Nov 2018, 09:46
Needs its own thread - but Hitler, and Naziism, were at root socialist....

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical........

Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit". He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that "they had never even read Marx", implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been "a private Russian affair", whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.......

currawong
27th Nov 2018, 10:49
One view is that it's going on right now, and the "good" side is losing.

Another is that it has been and gone. Except it was called "Cold" instead of "3".

I have trouble understanding how the man musters up such opposition from those he has so little relevance to.

Not like he is a former terrorist or anything. But then those leaders tend to find favour with many of his critics.

But then, I have never suffered through any of his TV appearances.:E

olster
27th Nov 2018, 10:59
Yes, they are. This has to be one of the stupidest and fatuous threads on pprune. Recently I have found myself defending Trump and I am fairly sure that he would not be my cup of tea if I met him. Trump for all his faults has not caused a world war. Nor has he tried to wipe out a complete religion in an appalling and brutal manner. No concentration camps sending women and children to gas chambers. He has not precipitated murder and mayhem nor tried to invade other countries. This is either a joke or history has been manipulated out of all recognition at snowflake university. Stupid beyond belief.

currawong
27th Nov 2018, 11:28
OP has form. No doubt he has his reasons .

But yes, olster, I agree.

Save the Hitler comparisons for individuals that are, well, comparable to Hitler.

meadowrun
27th Nov 2018, 11:48
Many folks see history as a time line.__*____________*____________*_*__________*_______ dotted with significant events.
If time is a linear thing, it might look like a never ending string like this...
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billion and billions of individual events converging on an infinitesimal slice of history. And repeat, only differently.

History does not repeat itself.
It can however, sometimes rhyme.

All we know for certain about Trump right now is that he will be in some history books.

racedo
27th Nov 2018, 12:54
Dumb thread of the year. Don't like someone so lets compare him with Hitler.

Strange nobody compares Obama with Hitler but Obama happy to have US forces invade, support and get involved in Foreign wars, Trump dissauding and ensuring US doesn't get involved in Wars. Nobody talked to North Korea for decades and it was always war, war, war. Trump talked and now nobody is talking war war war.

2unlimited
27th Nov 2018, 13:15
Dumb thread of the year. Don't like someone so lets compare him with Hitler.

Strange nobody compares Obama with Hitler but Obama happy to have US forces invade, support and get involved in Foreign wars, Trump dissauding and ensuring US doesn't get involved in Wars. Nobody talked to North Korea for decades and it was always war, war, war. Trump talked and now nobody is talking war war war.

The repeated AMERICA FIRST AMERICA FIRST rhetoric, is equal to how Hitler started his rise to power in Germany, try to keep into context what is being written. Hitler did not start with concentrations camps and extermination straight away. So get this into context.

Equally Trump has supported Saudi in the callous murder of Khasoggi, because American weapon sales to Saudi, the country that had most terrorists involved in the 9/11, is more important for American economy than doing what is morally right.

When asked questions that he does not like, he just blurts out nonsense as Fake News, or tries to ban the journalists from entering his press conferences.
When the KKK and Neo Nazi's in Charlotteville went on their rampage, he did not condemn them, he rather did the opposite and gave them some credence, there was many who did wrong, not just the KKK and Neo nazi. (according to Trump)

These are all small markers of a "little mad man" complex, who fortunately will not get all his way, because of the way the American political system is setup. I am no big fan of CNN, however if Trump had his way he would have them shut down, like the little dictator he wish he could be.
Regarding Korea, what exactly did Trump do? Tell the world that Kim Jong is a great man? Vow... I guess Hitler did the same with Mussolini and Franco, Trump is a little puppet boy for Putin, and he might try some "john wayne" phrases in the closet, but what exactly has Trump achieved?

Where is that wall? Where are all those Mexican rapists? No doubt the dogma of acceptance of a mad mans policy slowly shifts in the mind of the people, the unacceptable becomes acceptable over time.
His world wide knowledge of politics is similar to the size of a peanut, he has been exposed time after time for the donut he really is.

I never said he has done what Hitler did, however he is using similar Right Wing rhetoric, he is not cleaning up Washington, he is rather lining up his own pockets and advantages for himself and his own family.

What exactly has he achieved.
Pulled out of the Iran deal, pulled out of the environment agreement, talked to a few dictators, and called them the greatest people on earth, hmmm show me your friends, and I will tell you who you are.

Whenever he gets stumped with a question he can't answer, he just gets rude, obnoxious and calls it FAKE NEWS.
His hypocrisy in the recent Khasoggi murder, ordered by the Saudi prince, even his own CIA has confirmed this, is just disregarded, this is a new low, and effectively allows any nation to be able to kill anyone they want, as nobody cares as long as you are "allies" and you spend your millions in the America.
So next time Putin or someone else tries to kill some ex Russian spy in the UK or America, step down, Trump has helped set the bar so slow, that he has basically approved state/government approved assassinations.

Wonder what other politicians have done this in the plain open in the past? A few dictators come to mind. You reap what you sow, and somehow bad politics always come back to haunt you.

Pontius Navigator
27th Nov 2018, 13:28
2Unlimited, would you please edit your last post. It is very long. I skim read and saw, or rather didn't see, words missing and words that seemed inappropriate - blurs when blurts would seem more appropriate.

I thought to read the post but there were so many hiccups that quickly it became s nonsense. Please edit it to make it readable.

Fareastdriver
27th Nov 2018, 16:28
He is really throwing his toys out of his pram.

sitigeltfel
27th Nov 2018, 16:34
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What politicians name has the most letters and sounds like "Hitler"?

"Donald" or "Hillary"?

(Just thought I would add to the general childishness!)

RatherBeFlying
27th Nov 2018, 16:47
Some 40+% of the US population approves of his presidency. They see something they like.

Trump dealt with Justice Kennedy's son when he was getting all those loans from Deutsche Bank and through him became good buddies with his dad, who conveniently bowed out just before the midterms.

There's at least one senate seat that flipped to the GOP in the aftermath of the hearings.

Trump is far more clever than he appears. He reminds me of emperor Claudius who found it more politic to appear stupid.

pax britanica
27th Nov 2018, 16:50
I am not sure Trump can be compared to Hitler- Mussolini tho is much nearer the mark being vain ultra nationalistic and a bit stupid bit not inherently evil. A better Hitler comparison is his own contemporary Stalin - both being quite willing or even keen to use mass murder as apolitical tactic.
As for these peopel being at opposite ends of the spectrum I beg to differ if you look at politics as circle like a clock face. Towards at the top you have centrists -Obama Blair Merkel like people - the extreme left occurs at 9 o clock and the extreme right at 3 after which the political ethos starts to wane in favour of political power, , tendency towards obsessive nationalism , manipulation of ignorance and this occurs on both the left and the right until you come back towards 6 o clock where on my scale Stalin sits at about 7 and Hitler about 5 in that there practical politics and dictatorial mindsets brings them very close together . So while seemingly poles apart (I nearly put Poles which would have been an extremely bad taste accidental pun) Stalin and Adolf can be quite close and much as I dislike him Trump would still be a some way from 6 o clock because at the end of the day he only cares about he rich and how to make them and him richer.

dook
27th Nov 2018, 16:57
….he’s done pretty much exactly what he said he was going to.

Which is more than may be said for the Prime Minister of the UK.

fltlt
27th Nov 2018, 16:58
It really must be a slow news day.

Lonewolf_50
27th Nov 2018, 17:37
Recently having seen Trump slowly loosing his marbles in more than one way, I have started to see some interesting parallels between Trump and Hitler. I suggest that you familiarize yourself with Godwin's Law ...

2unlimited
27th Nov 2018, 18:11
Which is more than may be said for the Prime Minister of the UK.
Well like Obama, he also interferes with UK's Brexit vote, after Farage the hypocrite comes out crying wolf on TV. If Farage was so concerned about the EU millions we are loosing, he should lead by example and forego his EU pension, of course he will not.

If you know some of the history of Hitlers rising from late 20's - early 30's you will see many similarities with Trump and Fascism. If you are refusing to see this, than it proves one thing, we have learned nothing from history.
Trump has sown the seeds for the future, and people are to blind to see the threat of the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QK1IVi4REI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QK1IVi4REI

Hussar 54
27th Nov 2018, 18:15
I'm struggling to take the title of this thread seriously.

Some of the posts / posters as well.

I'll agree with Olster - can't find much to like about Trump the person but now find myself disliking the majority of his detractors even more because of their non-stop stupid and childish comments.

Mac the Knife
27th Nov 2018, 19:59
"Recently having seen Trump slowly losing his marbles in more than one way, I have started to see some interesting parallels between Trump and Hitler."

There are a few coincidental parallels, but no valid ones.

Mac

[When Germany complained about the harshness of the Versailles treaty they were tartly reminded of the terms of Brest-Litovsk]

fltlt
27th Nov 2018, 20:02
I'm struggling to take the title of this thread seriously.

Some of the posts / posters as well.

I'll agree with Olster - can't find much to like about Trump the person but now find myself disliking the majority of his detractors even more because of their non-stop stupid and childish comments.

Agreed, it has gotten tiresome.

racedo
27th Nov 2018, 20:07
I suggest that you familiarize yourself with Godwin's Law ...

Think OP familiarising themselves with a bottle of Lynchburg's TN finest may be a better idea.