fly Jamaica 757 crash at Guyana

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The Fly Jamaica Airways flight OJ 256 crashed at Georgetown Cheddi Jagan with 120 passengers including two infants on board.

None of the injuries are life-threatening.

The Minister of Public Infrastructure David Patterson told reporters during a press conference: "The reports are of back pain and such, no reports of any broken bones."

The flight was departing from Georgetown, Guyana and was meant to land in Toronto, Canada this evening.

The pilot reportedly claimed he started to experience technical issues with the hydraulics and it forced him to turn around to its departure airport, according to Mr Patterson.

While the pilot tried to make the emergency landing he was unable to to get the aircraft to a complete stop before reaching the end of the runway.

The plane crashed into a fence and its front wheel became wedged in a pile of sand that was being used for a runway expansion project.

Among those on board were 35 Guyanese, 82 Canadians, one American citizen, a Trinidadian and one Pakistani.

The crew were made up of six Guyanese and two Jamaicans, according to Mr Patterson.

An investigation into the the crash has been launched.

[Doors to Automatic]

Looks like tremendous airmanship saved the day if it was indeed a loss of hydraulics.

[DaveReidUK]

Happened just before 2am local time.

[Cloudtopper]

Happened just before 2am local time.

and the relevance of this is ?

[Cloudtopper]

Looks like tremendous airmanship saved the day if it was indeed a loss of hydraulics.

Intrigued to see only 50% of the slides used. Meets certification requirements at least..

[Doors to Automatic]

It was only half-full by the looks of things, Cloudtopper.

[Volume]

and the relevance of this is ?
It happened in the dark when the pilot was not claerly seeing what to expect beyond the end of the runway...
Evacuation happened in the dark, which may explain some injury...

[DaveReidUK]

and the relevance of this is ?

Doh. It's just a statement of fact. It may be relevant, it may not. Don't spend too much time worrying about it :ugh:

[Auxtank]

and the relevance of this is ?

We're building a picture from the facts.

Before some start speculating...

[Cloudtopper]

Incidentally, not a good week for the Seattle machine maker.
A 737 , 747 , and a 757 written off...

[Sailvi767]

This 757 looks to be easily repairable unless there is some severe damage to the right wing.

[Cloudtopper]

The right side is a total write off. I’ll try post a photo

[Cloudtopper]

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[WindSheer]

The 2am is a fact, but could also contribute via factors such as night, visibility, fatigue etc.

It is very relevant to the investigation.

[Organfreak]

Looks like there was no fire. That's relevant to staying alive.

[evansb]

N524AT, Boeing 757-23N, msn: 30233. First flight: 07/10/1999. Initial customer: American Trans Air. Sold/leased to five other air carriers, including the current operator Fly Jamaica.

[Cloudtopper]

Both reverse cowlings appear closed. Not used or stowed for the overrun , or if it was hyd failure(s) then most likely both unavail.

spoliers retracted ?

I also observe the nose gear doors ( FWD and AFT on nose assembly) , a consequence or associated issue with a gear/hyd issue, perhaps alternate extension ..

[DaveReidUK]

Avherald report that the runway excursion was a direct consequence of the hydraulic failure:

Accident: Fly Jamaica B752 at Georgetown on Nov 9th 2018, hydraulic failure causes runway excursion on landing (http://avherald.com/h?article=4c00d6b3&opt=0)

[Longtimer]

Guyana plane crash: Fly Jamaica passengers injured after jet overshoots runwayThe Canada-bound plane was forced to return to Cheddi Jagan International Airport after experiencing technical problems



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There were no reports of broken bones."Among the passengers were 82 Canadians, it has been reported.A statement from the airline said: "We can confirm that Fly Jamaica flight OJ256 bound for Toronto has returned to Georgetown with a technical problem and has suffered an accident on landing.https://theairlinewebsite.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article13562300.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Fly-Jamaica-plane-crash-map.jpg&key=5cc18821122b6e0edb340ce66971d138b3fc97477229b92745942e54 c623aa90 (https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article13562300.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Fly-Jamaica-plane-crash-map.jpg)Six people were injured when the plane crashed, officials confirmedhttps://theairlinewebsite.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article13561969.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_FlyJamaica-757-en-route-to-Toronto-returns-to-Georgetown-Guyana-airport-and-crash-lands-Passenger.jpg&key=acc4c7f0bd243083ecce60f4281e990f5a062e204a9beb39a4aa5302 adfe9bbf (https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article13561969.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_FlyJamaica-757-en-route-to-Toronto-returns-to-Georgetown-Guyana-airport-and-crash-lands-Passenger.jpg)Several passengers onboard the plane were reportedly injured (Image: Twitter)https://theairlinewebsite.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article13562301.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Cheddi-Jagan-airport.jpg&key=5e94023a395eb3191c85f9e9a0bc96618cd8ab7e863ea684e31d47b8 94e53b08 (https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article13562301.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Cheddi-Jagan-airport.jpg)The plane crashed down at the Cheddi Jagan Airport"At this time, we believe that all 118 passengers and eight crew members are safe."We are providing local assistance and will release further information as soon as it is available."The flight departed at 2.10am local time - 6.10am in the UK.A hydraulic problem has been blamed for the crash.oment boy, 15, knifed (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/moment-masked-gang-member-stabs-13557564)

[alph2z]

A passenger said to the CBC that if the plane had continued 10 more feet the plane would have fallen down a 30 to 35 ft deep cliff.

EDIT: and "spikes" at the end of the runway blew out the tires.

[Airbubba]

Looks like Flaps 20, no reversers, nose gear doors open. With (loss of) L HYD SYS PRESS and R HYD SYS PRESS you are down to reserve brakes and need to do alternate gear and flap extension.

[Longtimer]

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[grizzled]

Despite the early reports suggesting none of the injuries were life threatening, a passenger (Canadian woman) passed away in hospital in Georgetown today.

[parabellum]

Market value no more than about $15million, I would think, so probably a write-off but the Boeing Mobile repair team, in their specially fitted out C130, have pulled off some amazing repairs in the past, just have to wait and see what the underwriters say, new engine, new main gear, new wing + labour! :)

[Carbon Bootprint]

Despite the early reports suggesting none of the injuries were life threatening, a passenger (Canadian woman) passed away in hospital in Georgetown today.
That's bad news. Do you have a source to link to, or did the source mention the nature of her injuries?

[Carbon Bootprint]

Never mind, I answered my own question, sort of. While it's clear the lady died, since she was not one of those who were initially injured it still leaves a bit of a question as to how she passed.

This article provides a bit more info though doesn't answer the question. May she RIP.

https://www.cp24.com/news/canadian-woman-86-dies-week-after-fly-jamaica-plane-crash-lands-in-guyana-1.4181624

[Hotel Tango]

At 86 years of age it's quite probable that the shock factor may have triggered cardiac problems for example. We also don't know what her medical condition was before the accident.

[DaveReidUK]

At 86 years of age it's quite probable that the shock factor may have triggered cardiac problems for example. We also don't know what her medical condition was before the accident.

FlightGlobal reports that some time after the accident she was taken to hospital by her family and found to have a fractured skull. The assumption, whether correct or not, is that she suffered the injury during the crash.

[lalbak]

Assuming the longest runway was used, 24-06, it's length is 2200 meters. How does factor in with the required runway length for a 757 with failed hydraulics?

[Landflap]

I would have liked something a bit longer. Awaiting the replies from those with access to the 757 minimum rwy length charts. Was anywhere longer available ? Two hydro systems out also means landing at the nearest suitable airfield. Here we go again with the "nearest" and/or "suitable" debate again (!) Pictures of the crash site show how close to tipping over the edge they came, writing off the aircraft and possibly one death. I always treated minimum landing runway lengths with great care. Not suggesting these guys did anything less. Tough call.

[FLCH]

At 240,000 lbs Flaps 20 looks like 7100' dry runway.
At 140,000 lbs Flaps 20 it's 5000' dry runway.
Doesn't include a 15% safety margin to get the required distance.
Fly Jamaica's numbers could be different .

[larryboy]

Guys, there seems to be an assumption of double hydraulic system failure, this is very unlikely. It looks to me like left system failure only, no emergency was declared, which would have been required after double hydraulic system failure, ie "declare an emergency and plan to land etc...."

[Sailvi767]

One thing I have noticed flying on several different airline jumpseats is that almost universally the accumulator showed a high leakdown rate on the 757/767 on smaller airlines. They are supposed to be checked routinely by maintenance for the leakdown rate but in practice it does not seem to happen. If the accumulator is going to lose 50% of its charge in a hour it’s not going to stop you when needed. If a accumulator has a high leakdown rate write it up! The aircraft is not airworthy.

[UnderASouthernSky]

FlightGlobal reports that some time after the accident she was taken to hospital by her family and found to have a fractured skull. The assumption, whether correct or not, is that she suffered the injury during the crash.

Apparently hit by a passenger behind her as she was trying to clear the evac slide. Hugely unfortunate.

[Starbear]

Guys, there seems to be an assumption of double hydraulic system failure, this is very unlikely. It looks to me like left system failure only, no emergency was declared, which would have been required after double hydraulic system failure, ie "declare an emergency and plan to land etc...."

You are probably correct in your assumption of dual hydraulic failure occurring, however I do recall a "spate", well at least two instances of dual failures on B757 in the late eighties period and each for the same rather odd reasons. Been a while but something like failure of the left system triggered the PTU to run, driven by the right system to pressurise the left system if fluid available. i.e. it was there to cover a left engine or EDP failure.

A low pressure switch on the PTU output side which would shut the PTU down if no fluid available in the left. This switch failed and so PTU continued to run trying to compress air instead of oil. This in turn caused an overheat in the right system which required pumps to switched off on that side. It may have only been the EDP which overheated but the little 6 gpm electric pump wasn't much use under that load and voila dual hydraulic failure. At least two identical events and although not perhaps a dual hydraulic failure in the conventional sense, it had the same effect at least for a while. Right system could be used for approach if overheat was cleared.

[Landflap]

Larryboy ; no assumptions really. This is the "rumours" forum and speculative debate is the norm & often, quite interesting.
FLCH ; Thanks. 2200 metres is roughly 6600ft which makes the 7700 ft available out of limits for the "speculative" double hydo failure. Why they decided to turn back to a shortish dep airfield will be interesting.
Starbear ; Mate of mine had the exact same situation you describe coming out of a European airfield. Very experienced Skipper decided not to declare urgency. He felt no -one would really understand in that part of the world. ("Pan Pan Pan"......yeah, right ) L & R out, over max Landing weight he calmly went to a nice much longer runway, nearby, full facilties, configured for the approach in the hold and did a nice job. Got overheated brakes though but Firefighters were on him in a remote area with hoses pointed at the brakes as all disembarked. Mate tells me that the afterparty was the stuff of legend..

[punkalouver]

Interesting recovery video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xUGVIWG2zs

[Jet Jockey A4]

Nicely done.

[Smudge's Lot]

Wow, that is incredible to watch.

[tdracer]

Wow, did they actually repair and return it to service? I assumed they would have just scrapped it - if it was repaired the damage to the right wing must have been more superficial that it looked...

[The Bartender]

Wow, did they actually repair and return it to service? I assumed they would have just scrapped it - if it was repaired the damage to the right wing must have been more superficial that it looked...

It was a write-off.