Company Survey

[lessonlearnt]

So yesterday I completed the the Company survey.

I can honestly say that I had nothing, and I mean nothing to agree on.
I laughed out loud to a few questions.....
Would I recommend Cathay Pacific to anyone else for employment- hahahahaha is that a joke question ? Wow CX are in over their heads.

Once again I can't understand why anyone would join this Dog Show of a airline - I am warning every single person who is coming here thinking you going to live the good life with money etc. You are wrong you going to build up debt here. A 5 year SO salary is not going to get you anything! Trust me I am living proof.

Good luck to any person coming - im outta here as soon as I get the smallest of chances......
CXIT

[unitedabx]

So yesterday I completed the the Company survey.

I can honestly say that I had nothing, and I mean nothing to agree on.
I laughed out loud to a few questions.....
Would I recommend Cathay Pacific to anyone else for employment- hahahahaha is that a joke question ? Wow CX are in over their heads.

Once again I can't understand why anyone would join this Dog Show of a airline - I am warning every single person who is coming here thinking you going to live the good life with money etc. You are wrong you going to build up debt here. A 5 year SO salary is not going to get you anything! Trust me I am living proof.

Good luck to any person coming - im outta here as soon as I get the smallest of chances......
CXIT

Why did you even complete it. Apathy would have sent a much clearer message. Consider if not a single pilot filled in the survey, not one. Think what a message that would send. But too late you have swallowed another company brick. Idiot.

[Will IB Fayed]

Once again I can't understand why anyone would join this Dog Show of a airline
CXIT

How many warnings did you ignore when you signed up to a local package?

[gipilot]

Can anyone, PLEASE PLEASE explain to me why anyone would fill in such a survey?? Please explain how succesful all the previous surveys were for us.

Maybe there's something that I don't get, maybe the company did improve after these surveys and I just didn't notice. So please guys, enlighten me.

[unitedabx]

Can anyone, PLEASE PLEASE explain to me why anyone would fill in such a survey?? Please explain how succesful all the previous surveys were for us.

Maybe there's something that I don't get, maybe the company did improve after these surveys and I just didn't notice. So please guys, enlighten me.

I think the 'snowflakes' think it's like 'Tripadviser' and a must do item. I'm surprised they don't include selfies.
The damage is done. Had not a single pilot filled out the survery that would send a message. Now these idiots have game over. Anf to think we have to fly with these f***wits.

[Betsy]

I filled it in because I want to see their reaction when they got 100% Strongly Agree from EVERYONE in the company for the last question. :eek::eek::eek:

[TurningFinalRWY36]

what was the last question again

[spleener]

unitedabx (https://www.pprune.org/members/481196-unitedabx), I agree with your sentiment. However, now better to respond to limit the damage and send a clear message.

[Jnr380]

Definitely will do it, the company has problems registering discontent from anything other than their own survey, then again look at the employee travel survey and hotel survey, still nothing has changed.

[Babbalito]

Definitely will do it, the company has problems registering discontent from anything other than their own survey, then again look at the employee travel survey and hotel survey, still nothing has changed.
Agreed
No changes seen. No feedback on individual messages sent.
How about:
"Team. Thanks for the feedback. Point x can be summarized thus. We are doing such and such to fix it. Please monitor and report further"?
Instead we get crickets. And vacuous slogans. And the same sh1t. Forever.

[Jnr380]

Agreed
No changes seen. No feedback on individual messages sent.
How about:
"Team. Thanks for the feedback. Point x can be summarized thus. We are doing such and such to fix it. Please monitor and report further"?
Instead we get crickets. And vacuous slogans. And the same sh1t. Forever.

Hey don't be so critical, at least they make posters showing the results.... then we get crickets

[unitedabx]

Hey don't be so critical, at least they make posters showing the results.... then we get crickets

It's been tried before and the pilots comments ignored. So why make the same mistake. For Gods sake people LEARN from your previous errors. Don't complete the survey.

[From a distance]

I m sure they interpret the lack of a submitted survey as a satisfied employee. Therefore I took the opportunity to extend a raised middle digit by completing the survey. ��

[unitedabx]

I m sure they interpret the lack of a submitted survey as a satisfied employee. Therefore I took the opportunity to extend a raised middle digit by completing the survey. ��

You hit the ball back over the net. So the company can say you engaged and a dialogue ensued. You fell for it. Can I sell you a boat in the DB Marina ?

[Below the glide]

Get on with it lads. You’ve lost the game. Live with it or lump it and foxtrot out of there.

ain’t changing for you. It’s changing for them.

[From a distance]

You hit the ball back over the net. ?

When the company keep serving aces, yea I m going to try and hit the ball back over the net otherwise the alternative is to stand there and continue being aced.
As for buying a boat at DB I wish nothing but a good outcome for my affected colleagues, even if it involves you Unitedabx.

[unitedabx]

When the company keep serving aces, yea I m going to try and hit the ball back over the net otherwise the alternative is to stand there and continue being aced.
As for buying a boat at DB I wish nothing but a good outcome for my affected colleagues, even if it involves you Unitedabx.

My point is " you can't play tennis with only one player". "It takes 2 to tango", or "you can't start an argument on your own". WHAT DON'T YOU GET ? Still want to buy my boat ?or I have a piece of real estate in Manhatten you might want to buy.

[Rated De]

Why did you even complete it. Apathy would have sent a much clearer message. Consider if not a single pilot filled in the survey, not one. Think what a message that would send. But too late you have swallowed another company brick. Idiot.

Folks, engagement is not a positive or negative; it's binary.

Whether you fill it in and 'let them have it' or praise them you are engaged.

Practicing indifference is a very worthwhile past time.
Their system is not to find out whether you approve or not, rather that they still have your attention.

By way of an analogy imagine the months (for those of you who have) prior to the end of a marriage: The fighting is over, the screaming is usually done what is left is an empty resolution. There is no need for couple's counselling, it is a void.
The most confronting thing to IR is indifference. From a Machiavellian perspective the 'dark art' of IR is about control, be it contractual or perceived. Taking away their perceived control is very powerful.

They know not what people think, they can't counter it. All they have left is the contract and that totally dis-empowers the floors of people at Cathay Pacific City who spend their work time in the 'dark art'

[unitedabx]

Definitely will do it, the company has problems registering discontent from anything other than their own survey, then again look at the employee travel survey and hotel survey, still nothing has changed.

You have to ask yourself "did the company take any notice of the last surverys ?". If the answer is no then you have wasted your time. Again.

[unitedabx]

Folks, engagement is not a positive or negative; it's binary.

Whether you fill it in and 'let them have it' or praise them you are engaged.

Practicing indifference is a very worthwhile past time.
Their system is not to find out whether you approve or not, rather that they still have your attention.

By way of an analogy imagine the months (for those of you who have) prior to the end of a marriage: The fighting is over, the screaming is usually done what is left is an empty resolution. There is no need for couple's counselling, it is a void.
The most confronting thing to IR is indifference. From a Machiavellian perspective the 'dark art' of IR is about control, be it contractual or perceived. Taking away their perceived control is very powerful.

They know not what people think, they can't counter it. All they have left is the contract and that totally dis-empowers the floors of people at Cathay Pacific City who spend their work time in the 'dark art'

Very good analogy. By far the best way to piss someone off is not to engage. Drove my ex wife and her lawyers bananas. But she still got the house !

[Slasher1]

Folks, engagement is not a positive or negative; it's binary.

Whether you fill it in and 'let them have it' or praise them you are engaged.

Practicing indifference is a very worthwhile past time.
Their system is not to find out whether you approve or not, rather that they still have your attention.

By way of an analogy imagine the months (for those of you who have) prior to the end of a marriage: The fighting is over, the screaming is usually done what is left is an empty resolution. There is no need for couple's counselling, it is a void.
The most confronting thing to IR is indifference. From a Machiavellian perspective the 'dark art' of IR is about control, be it contractual or perceived. Taking away their perceived control is very powerful.

They know not what people think, they can't counter it. All they have left is the contract and that totally dis-empowers the floors of people at Cathay Pacific City who spend their work time in the 'dark art'

I think this is spot on.

I've filled out some of these in the past. Notably in the recent past when things have gone south--as well as indicated what I believe needed to be fixed (which were echoed by many colleagues).

From what I remember first time, nothing got fixed and things got worse.

Next time, nothing got fixed and things got worse.

On a personal level, why would I invest time when clearly they aren't interested in mine (or others) legitimate issues and potential solutions to the problem ? (if you are deluding yourself they might be, do you really need more evidence than the imposition of POS 18 to prove that this is simply not the case ?) When (more like if) they are willing to listen I'm more than willing to help but they are not so I won't. If I'm going to play games there should be some fun involved.

The key to 'solving' this entire problem is to minimize the time and impact the company can have on your life, enjoy your life, maximize your time doing stuff you like to do with people you enjoy being around, and don't give bad people rent-free real estate inside your head.

FWIW, prudence likely dictates having an exit strategy of some sort (whether that's when to pull the pin and quit or go elsewhere as soon as possible if you want to continue some form of airline career). This ALSO is beneficial in that it really cuts down ON the potential to let others live rent-free where they should not.

[Rated De]

The key to 'solving' this entire problem is to minimize the time and impact the company can have on your life, enjoy your life, maximize your time doing stuff you like to do with people you enjoy being around, and don't give bad people rent-free real estate inside your head.

Far more eloquent and succinct!


Very good analogy. By far the best way to piss someone off is not to engage. Drove my ex wife and her lawyers bananas. But she still got the house !

It is but a bit of real estate, a clear mind and a peaceful life is not much a price.
Airline IR is completely in the 'dark' (pun intended) when pilots are indifferent. For them to have a strategy they must first know their adversary, given they pull pilots to bits at the recruitment phase, they think they know. These surveys are just to fine tune their strategy. It most certainly is rarely about identifying and addressing problems.

[jumbobelle]

If nothing changes, everything stays the same. Justify it how you like, but if you don't fill it in, there is no data on your opinion. So they can interpret that exactly as they choose. Nothing ever changed by people sitting back and doing nothing.

[cxorcist]

If nothing changes, everything stays the same. Justify it how you like, but if you don't fill it in, there is no data on your opinion. So they can interpret that exactly as they choose. Nothing ever changed by people sitting back and doing nothing.

Agree 100%. This survey asks questions like... Are you looking for other employment? Would you recommend CX to friends? These are answers they should emphatically receive from their pilots.

[Big Pistons Forever]

As a general comment executive compensation and rewards is usually very metric based. Survey results are hard numbers so if 100 % of the responses are bad executives will have a hard time spinning that to their advantage while no responses can be easily spun to say our guys are so happy they didn't feel the need to comment.

[Mill Worker]

Agree 100%. This survey asks questions like... Are you looking for other employment? Would you recommend CX to friends? These are answers they should emphatically receive from their pilots.

I'm not so sure this is a good idea.

If we worked for a company that was genuinely trying to engage with us and try to match our wants with their responsibility to run a business profitably then sure. The staff (not just us) are at war with an organisation that has an unknown agenda and for this reason we should not give them any information about what our individual intentions may be. Any information can, and most likely will, be used to evolve their plans whatever they may be. Individual responses can be aggregated to determine what group(s) intentions may be. Information is a powerful weapon that will always be used against us. We are too dysfunctional to use misinformation tactics.

For those of you that "want to send a message" you are deluded. They don't care what your message is. The best response is silence. Yet again the AoA has missed the boat but they should have put out a clear directive to not complete this survey.

Give them nothing.

[unitedabx]

For those of us who have been here long enough we know this survey will achieve nothing and we will not be filling it in. For those of you who think it will make a difference, you are naive and next time round will be as dis illusioned as the rest of us. we all have to learn the hard way.