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ShotOne
4th Nov 2018, 21:09
In first week of ShotOne being appointed supreme ruler he’ll sort the U.K. speed limits; reducing to 20mph in residential areas, increasing to 80 (or90?) on m ways and most dual carriageways. Present situation is exacerbated by the fact the limit in residential areas is almost unenforced, while on trunk routes very heavily so. Especially (and most lucratively) on motorway roadworks allegedly to protect the (gone home for weekend) workforce.

Kiltrash
5th Nov 2018, 03:35
Why are learner drivers not trained to exceed the speed limit? As soon as they pass their test they see the speed limit as a minimum speed and SPEED

Old 'Un
5th Nov 2018, 08:44
Hmmm, not a problem endemic to the UK I' m afraid. Learners and fully qualified drivers in NZ do the same (ignore speed limits, that is). Have seen a roadside sign on an open (100km/h) highway reading "It' s not a target" with a large 100km/h sign next to it on the hoarding. Nope, it's not a target, it's a figure that is to be met or exceeded, it would seem. And as for temporary speed restriction, "totally unnecessary" would seem to be the attitude. How do these drivers know why the restriction is in place? I have had two broken windscreens in the last 3 years with drivers exceeding the 30km/h temp limit on weekends where the reason for the restriction is loose stone chip from resealing. Both were on weekends, not a worker in sight on site. Luckily, last time it happened, I captured it on dashcam. The insurance company wanted a copy of it, which they passed on to the Police. Idiot driver was summonsed and convicted on the video evidence. What a shame, eh!

Le Vieux

RedhillPhil
5th Nov 2018, 09:58
Why are learner drivers not trained to exceed the speed limit? As soon as they pass their test they see the speed limit as a minimum speed and SPEED

Because - it seems so often - that trainee drivers are given lessons in how to pass the driving test, not learn to drive. I learned to drive in 1968 in Boscombe/Bournemouth. My instructor was a moonlighting police driver who stated on day one that he was going to teach me to drive, not just to pass the test. "If you can drive properly laddie you'll pass your driving test". He was a Glasgow born Fulton McKay look/sound alike.

ATNotts
5th Nov 2018, 10:00
In Nottinghamshire there is stealthy move to reduce the speed limits on single carriageway roads from the national limit (60mph) to 50mph, every week another stretch of road previously governed by the national speed limit is affected. Then, being Nottinghamshire they install specs average speed cameras - the county council must the the UK's biggest customer for this equipment. now I understand they have very laudable ambitions ambitions to reduce road casualties, but how far do they want to take this. Will we see limits further reduced to 40mph.

Is the same happening in other county council areas? I've not noticed it to the same extent in our neighbouring areas of Derbyshire and Leicestershire?

radeng
5th Nov 2018, 12:36
Wilts and Glos are a bit mad on 50 mph limits. But there's one bit of road with a 50 mph limit on it where 50 is way over the safe limit!
So how much do they spend on average speed cameras as opposed to education, libraries, winter road gritting, filling potholes and care for those needing it?

paulc
5th Nov 2018, 12:48
Its the constant change of speed limits as well. When going home i leave the motorway at 70 to 50 then 40 then 60 then to 40 then to 30 then to 40 then to 30 - all in the space of 3 miles.

blue up
5th Nov 2018, 15:45
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Strangely, Speeding has never been a problem for me.

Pontius Navigator
5th Nov 2018, 16:05
Paul, best that:

60-30 (school so it is mandated)-60 (slow ducks crossing) 40 (crossroads with 30 either side so 40 across the road) level crossing all in half a mile.

I challenged the road traffic partnership that 30-40 would be sense as the 60 stretch had a footpath for the children. At one point they even had that pavement blocked with the derestriction post.

Another had a 30restriction passed the school but 60 passed the entrance. I got them to increase the 30 zone.

And another even more illogical. Leaving a 40 zone in large letters, double bend slow down. The rules did not permit and extension of the 40 limit?
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ZOOKER
5th Nov 2018, 17:20
Well I guess the AA Driving School will give comprehensive instruction on speeding.

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Krystal n chips
5th Nov 2018, 17:33
" Is the same happening in other county council areas? I've not noticed it to the same extent in our neighbouring areas of Derbyshire and Leicestershire "

Speed limits in and around Derby have long been superfluous but, Derby Council have evolved a cunning plan as I've said before......"ROAD AHEAD CLOSED "... when it isn't and the grinding halt on the A61 with one lane coned off whilst, in an occasional foray presumably to make sure nobody has nicked the pipes, a gas pipe laying operation is attempting an entry in the Guiness Book of Records for the "most lethargic and length of time taken " award .

One has now relocated to the more sedate area of Staffordshire and my insurance has been reduced as a result.

Icare9
5th Nov 2018, 17:38
Round here many drivers seem to believe that the ONLY speed limit is about 48 mph.... irrespective of the actual limit or road conditions.
I've had people overtake when driving through our village at 30 mph only to catch up to them when on the 60 mph stretch they are still only doing 48 mph.
Come the next 30 mph section and off they go, blithely ignorant to the correct limit.

The stupid idea of increasing a speed limit just before a sharp bend also seems designed to create Darwin Award candidates

Pontius Navigator
5th Nov 2018, 19:35
Icare, many years ago on the aforementioned sharp bend the white and diagonal in earlier days meant no limit. I was in a relatively agile 1300 but was unable to keep up with a Reliant Robin!

Thomas coupling
5th Nov 2018, 20:47
Atleast now, we have the option to break the limits and add a bit of spice to life. (Don't tell me there is someone out there who never breaks the national speed limit).
Be grateful for this because when driverless cars come along, journeys are going to kill more people through boredom than any speed related accident.

ExSp33db1rd
6th Nov 2018, 01:05
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Strangely, Speeding has never been a problem for me.

I had a Minor convertible, hit head on by a large lorry, injuries minimised by the rescue teams tearing off the top and lifting me straight out instead of having to drag me sideways out of damaged bodywork. Wish I had it now.

Hydromet
6th Nov 2018, 01:23
Blue Up, you realise that there is a whole generation of Australians who were conceived on the back seat of those MMs. They were the first car of choice for my generation.

ShotOne
6th Nov 2018, 09:48
“Blithely ignorant to the correct limit..”. Unfortunately, blithe ignorance is outwith the scope of my OP; whether we increase or decrease speed limits there’ll be those who ignore them.

Thomas coupling
6th Nov 2018, 12:56
Speed limits are outdated.
The highway code shows braking distances yet unchanged since 1948 FFS!
Speed limits are arbitrary and subjective dependent on the whim of the council or CC.
A new stretch of road was opened near here where it was converted from a single carriageway to a dual one. It ironed out the bends and blind spots. It had new lighting.
YET the police/council "forgot" to raise the speed limit to the national limit for dual carriageways - instead retaining the original 50mph rule for the 10 mile stretch.
The council haven't asked to redress the speed limit.
Ironically - now we have a dramatic reduction in policing - 99% of users completely ignore the 50mph limit and everyone now passes thru at 70mph.

ATNotts
6th Nov 2018, 13:25
Speed limits are outdated.
The highway code shows braking distances yet unchanged since 1948 FFS!
Speed limits are arbitrary and subjective dependent on the whim of the council or CC.
A new stretch of road was opened near here where it was converted from a single carriageway to a dual one. It ironed out the bends and blind spots. It had new lighting.
YET the police/council "forgot" to raise the speed limit to the national limit for dual carriageways - instead retaining the original 50mph rule for the 10 mile stretch.
The council haven't asked to redress the speed limit.
Ironically - now we have a dramatic reduction in policing - 99% of users completely ignore the 50mph limit and everyone now passes thru at 70mph.

I don't believe that speed limits are outdated; however good the technology the human brain doesn't react any faster than it did 70 years ago, and wet roads, adversely cambered bends, and potholes haven't disappeared - the latter are probably significantly worse than ever before. What's more there a many more in-car distractions than there used to be back then.

If you attend the current version of the Speed Awareness Course run by the AA (in lieu of minor speeding infringements) they demonstrate the difference in braking distances in differing road conditions. The course as it is now should not just be for those caught speeding, but for all drivers. It now serves more as a half day's refresher driving course than a quasi punishment. I found it such when I did it earlier this year.

Aside of that, I can't argue with much you wrote. Speed limits shouldn't be at the behest of local councilors, but should be set nationally, in the same way that there should be consistent methods of enforcement; and rather than stick speed humps everywhere, some cleverly designed chicanes and pinch points are just as effective, perhaps more so, since they slow all vehicles, not just the narrow wheelbase ones. In Germany you see these kinds of obstacles, but only rarely, speed humps, cushions, ramps or other vehicle damaging paraphernalia.