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tartare
2nd Nov 2018, 01:10
(Homer Simpson voice) Mmmmm. New big politically incorrect aftermarket American muscle car engine.
I liiiiike.
Listen to it (ignore the presenter)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PWwrOILaV8
Definitely getting one of those bad boys for the customised orange and black Charger or Challenger when one wins the lottery.
Will sit in the garage right alongside the Ringe River, and the Porkah 911 for Mrs T.
Only to be driven on fine weekends...

chevvron
2nd Nov 2018, 02:11
Shouldn't bother mate.
Elephant (aka Milodon Mastadon) motors are patterned after the 427 hemi, but they're designed specifically for drag racing and need re-building after every 2 or 3 runs.

porch monkey
2nd Nov 2018, 03:41
Bullshit. Come into the 21st century, my man.

treadigraph
2nd Nov 2018, 08:21
1000hp? Pah! Give me big Bristols, Rolls, Wrights or Pratts any day... :)

ORAC
2nd Nov 2018, 08:22
Why not buy a Bugatti Veyron? Then you get proper European handling and brakes to go with the power.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron

According to Volkswagen Group and certified by TÜV Süddeutschland (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technischer_%C3%9Cberwachungsverein), the final production Veyron engine produces 1,001 PS (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_horsepower) (736 kW (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilowatt); 987 bhp (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#Brake_horsepower)) of motive (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motive_power) power (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_(physics)), and generates 1,250 N⋅m (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_metre) (922 lbf⋅ft (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound-foot_(torque))) of torque.[3] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron#cite_note-cad-2005-3)
[24] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron#cite_note-enginespecs-24) The nominal figure has been stated by Bugatti officials to be conservative, with the real total being 1,020 PS (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_horsepower) (750 kW (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilowatt); 1,006 bhp (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#Brake_horsepower)) at 6,000 rpm.

Ancient Mariner
2nd Nov 2018, 08:31
Shouldn't bother mate.
Elephant (aka Milodon Mastadon) motors are patterned after the 427 hemi, but they're designed specifically for drag racing and need re-building after every 2 or 3 runs.
Really? Quite a few European cars routinely delivers 350 hp from 2.0 liter engines, that equals 1225 hp for 427cu inch/7.0 liters. And the do not require any special service regimes.
Even my humble Skoda delivers 280 hp from 2 liter, or 980 hp for 7. A cheap performance chip will up it to 350 hp in 5 minutes.
i wonder........:hmm:
Per

chuks
2nd Nov 2018, 09:46
What is the point of such an engine for everyday use? For drag racing, sure, why not, but on any normal road some punk with a cheapo Subaru WRX could blow the doors off of any muscle car, even one with a thousand horsepower. It's all about balance and grip, not big-big numbers.

porch monkey
2nd Nov 2018, 10:26
Chucks, I’m no dodge man, but look up the dodge demon. Under 10 sec 1/4 mile, out of the factory door. Yes, straight line performance, but a WRX wouldn’t see which way it went.

cattletruck
2nd Nov 2018, 11:01
As we already know it's all about power to weight ratio. A 1000hp lump up front is pretty awesome when your lugging lots of other lumps around, otherwise without decent brakes and an ability to negotiate a corner then the novelty quickly wears off. Dragsters rebuild because they want to win, the passion involved has to be seen to be believed, and it's more exciting at a technical level than F1, why, some of them even work in the 6000-8000hp engine power range.

Having said that I found my 18 y/o 220hp bomb recently put a top of the line VW Polo turbo and some Mercedes with a whole alphabet after its name to shame at the lights, I also once put a WRX with a pink STi sticker to shame climbing up a mountain to a ski resort when the thing was newer - but as I've always said, the equation is 50% driver 50% car.

A work colleague once had a Honda NoSeX and I was mightily impressed how that small carburettor Civic engine could put the power down on the road so well - also helped by the fact that the engine was at the rear and the car was made of aluminium.

There's obviously more to it than just pushing the go pedal.

Ascend Charlie
2nd Nov 2018, 11:38
...and then you get to the 100km/hr speed limit...and then what? Jerk off while being a dangerous cretin on a suburban street?

charliegolf
2nd Nov 2018, 14:27
Do they do an electric one? Hybrid maybe?:E

chuks
2nd Nov 2018, 14:36
Sorry, porch monkey, but I ride a motorcycle for fun. As the country boys say, "I ain't bad, but the bad don't f*ck with me." Pull up next to Macho Man in his muscle car on your bike and watch him turn into Mr Responsible Citizen, just like that. Your average Mustang or Camaro driver knows not to try and beat a bike off the lights; that is just not going to happen. Lots of noise and tire smoke, sure, but forward motion? Bitch, please!

Come to that, put down a bit of rain or snow and our family car, a BMW station wagon with a 245 hp. diesel and AWD, would probably see a muscle car off with no trouble at all, even assuming its driver can keep it from merging with the scenery.

I was admiring a really nicely hot-rodded Chevelle convertible in upper New York State not long ago, one that was about 45 years old, I guess. Its owner had put in a crate motor for a Corvette, a six-speed box, big disc brakes, lots of bracing for the front chassis, along with the usual custom paint and a leather interior, and it was a really, really nice whip. Fast too, relatively speaking, but still no match for a modern motorcycle. So what?

You are looking at jail time in the States once you get caught going past second gear all revved up, so that most of the time a muscle car just a big, shiny toy for an overgrown boy.

I'm a gearhead and I was helping a brother-in-law shop for a hot car, except that he lives in Washington, D.C. That was five years ago. I just met him again when I asked what kind of car he bought. Nope, he's having the garden remodeled, and they are going to add a hot tub. He will get a lot more use out of that than a '55 Chevy Nomad with a 450-hp. crate engine and a six-speed, the car we had been looking at.

Those bastards in D.C. hide speed cameras in what look like trash bins, and I got zinged for 45 in a 25, $100 fine, in a Toyota Land Cruiser, just minding my own business. God only knows what would have happened to me if I had been really trying to go fast in the other car I had access to, a 500-hp Porsche Cayenne Turbo S. You won't just need the money for the hot car in D.C.; you will need the money for a really, really good lawyer who can keep your ass out of jail there.

Ancient Mariner
2nd Nov 2018, 15:38
Wife managed to get caught by a speed camera in a Peugeot 205, with 60 hp, less than 80 meters after taking off from a red light stop. How she managed I have no idea, but she has way more speeding fines than me. You don't need 1000 hp to screw up.
Per

bentbanana
2nd Nov 2018, 18:20
1000hp? Pah! Give me big Bristols, Rolls, Wrights or Pratts any day... :)

Ill go with the Bristols every time

chuks
2nd Nov 2018, 19:01
My wife managed to get blitzed (Blitz - lightning, or informally a flash of light as from a radar speed camera; a Blitzer, though, is a "flasher," a man who exposes himself). She did that just inside a small town, when that brought an automatic month's suspension of her license, plus a fine. (Outside a town, speeding is less serious). She was able to pick two weeks of that month when we were on holiday abroad, but for the other two I had to run her back and forth to work, five days a week. A God-damned non-stop chorus of unrestrained bitching about how I was driving ensued, never minding that I still had my license!

About a week ago two guys in a Ferrari must have been really flying down the A27 near Walsrode, Lower Saxony, when a tire failed. There was not a lot left of that car, and they both died on the spot. That formula for ballistic energy is a bitch to confront, and I bet they were doing about 150 mph, at least.

tdracer
2nd Nov 2018, 22:05
Really? Quite a few European cars routinely delivers 350 hp from 2.0 liter engines, that equals 1225 hp for 427cu inch/7.0 liters. And the do not require any special service regimes.
Even my humble Skoda delivers 280 hp from 2 liter, or 980 hp for 7. A cheap performance chip will up it to 350 hp in 5 minutes.
i wonder........:hmm:
Per
On this side of the pond, the Top Fuel (i.e. rail) and Funny Car dragsters use an engine derived from that 427 hemi (opened up to 500 cubic inches IIRC). They rebuild them every single run (new pistons and rods as a minimum). Then again, they run 60 psi boost, 90% nitromethane fuel, do sub 4 second quarter miles at over 300 mph, and produce north of 10,000 horsepower, and occasional blow up rather spectacularly.
Not into drag racing much myself, but I'm fascinated by the engineering involved in the Top Fuel dragsters.
Many communities in the US have organized scheduled "Friday (and/or Saturday) Night Drags" during the summer. They are run on proper drag strips, sanctioned by the local authorities, with paid spectators. Entry fees are minimal (sometimes as low as $5), and give out trophy's. Letting the kids play on a proper drag strip, with safety measures and proper safety gear helps reduce the far more dangerous street racing. Some of those kids are positively drooling at the prospect of a 1000 hp crate motor.

troppo
2nd Nov 2018, 22:42
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Yeehaw

tartare
3rd Nov 2018, 01:41
You're all missing the point!
It's not about speed off the mark or performance.
It's about my inner bogan; like my friend in the image above.
I can't get the girls and the guys from the band into the back of a Veyron - and a Veyron isn't terribly rock and roll.
But man - a Challenger or Charger with a donk like that which goes `potato, potato, potato' when it's idling, some big raised white letter Bridgestones and a go fast paint job is so bogan, it goes out the other side of bogan and becomes awesome.
Kind of like ACDC.
Hang the guitar necks out the back windows, whack on the sunglasses and you're set.

troppo
3rd Nov 2018, 02:26
Kind of like ACDC...
and bourbon and ugg boots and teeth like this :}:}:}
hell yeah

if it's good enough for john wick it's beyond bogan

chuks
3rd Nov 2018, 08:03
That would be fine, except that here in Germany street racing is a growing trend, when there are deaths caused by that.

Recently there was this one guy with a Kawasaki motorcycle. The bike was nothing special, a streetfighter with a mere 130 horsepower, I think, although the papers called it a "superbike." He liked to ride around Bremen filming himself with his untalented and undisciplined riding, along with, of course, his moronic commentary on various things. He was doing something like 70 mph in town when a tipsy man crossed the street against the light. There was no room to dodge and he was going too fast to stop so that he hit the pedestrian. He killed the man; he wrecked the bike; he tore a nerve in his arm that lamed it; and he went on trial for murder with his own videos as evidence against him ... all for what passes for fun.

It turned out that he did not even have a full motorcycle license, but that does not matter now since his riding days probably are over with one arm that does not function. (He beat the murder rap, by the way, going down for something like causing death by careless driving. If you want to kill someone with your crap driving, do that in Germany; the penalties here are very lax. Being totally drunk is a good defense, sort of like pleading insanity.)

My own "come to Jesus" moment came one Sunday morning on the narrow and twisty Manassas Airport access road. I was driving my girlfriend's Audi 100LS at about 60 mph, just having fun on a quiet road around 8 o'clock on a Sunday morning with no traffic, when I came screaming around a tight right-hand bend, totally unsighted. There was a little blonde girl who was running across the road to the mailbox, house on the right, mailbox on the left, probably going to fetch the Sunday paper. She had just about reached the mailbox, fortunately. If I had got there just a few seconds earlier I probably would have hit her. As it was I went past her on the right, no problem. She probably never even saw me go past, but I will never forget seeing her. That was it for having fun on the airport access road. What a stupid thing to do!