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nomorecatering
27th Oct 2018, 10:49
Been laid up for a few weeks with a virus so have been binge watching the internet on American and therefore world politics.

Boringly, the subject of Abortion comes up in just about every monologue or debate. I don't think Americans actually care about unborn babies (if they did they would have universal health care), Americans don't care about Americans with statements like "healthcare is not a right, only people who can afford it should have access to health care" and "healthcare should only be extended to those who have worked and earned it'............so i guess babies who have never worked shouldn't get medical care (damn lazy 6 month olds).

But back to Abortion, it's not about the protection of embryos, it's like this........don't have sex. Babies are punishment for having sex, especially pre-marital sex or drunken teenage party sex. If you you have sex, you will be punished by not being allowed to have an abortion. Then it gets more insane, some groups are trying to have birth control made illegal. Don't have sex, worship god instead....apparently. The final nail is, if you have sex and end up with a child, it will probably die eventually because as a society we will deny it medical services unless you are Bill gates and can pay for it, or someone with a Bushmaster Assault Riffle who gets dumped by his girlfriend decides to wipe out an entire high school. Who cares about Children as long as Arms manufacturers profits are up.

Do Americans understand that the rest of the world looks at America like the worlds biggest mental asylum.

As a country, it needs a blowjob more than any other nation on this planet.

Can't wait for the responses........que the outrage and frothing at the mouth, 1, stay out of Americas business...........no, cause you butt into ours 2, America is the greatest nation on earth.....no it's not, just look at the data 3. We don't care what the rest of the world thinks - you will when the rest of the world overtakes you.

racedo
27th Oct 2018, 10:59
I find it has always been difficult to see if anybody could fit in every inane media and cultural sterotype into one post.

Now I realise it is possible.

pr00ne
27th Oct 2018, 11:12
racedo,

Or is it the case that you don't like the list of facts presented?

Always amazed me how one set of extremists can be so Pro-life whilst at the same time being Pro Gun and the death penalty.

Gertrude the Wombat
27th Oct 2018, 11:20
Always amazed me how one set of extremists can be so Pro-life whilst at the same time being Pro Gun and the death penalty.
America has never been "pro-life".

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty ..."

If they'd ever seriously intended to take the "life" bit seriously they'd have had a think about

the death penalty
gun laws
health care
the extent to which they rampage around the world killing people all over the shop
and remember also that the "liberty" bit was a declaration by a slave-keeping society. OK so they sorted that one, but it took a hundred years, and the US still locks up far more of its citizens than any other society.

pr00ne
27th Oct 2018, 11:25
Gertrude the Wombat,

Can't argue with any of that, but you trying telling it to the Pro-Life lobby...

ORAC
27th Oct 2018, 11:34
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed....."

SMT Member
27th Oct 2018, 11:35
No. Americans are a bunch of prudes, but with the endearing quality of also being the biggest producer of porn on the planet. Brits are just prudes.

El Grifo
27th Oct 2018, 12:49
If you ever have the bad luck to be in some Caribbean location or similar around Spring Break you might be surprised how the partying Americans throw caution and modesty to the wind.
It is indeed a sight to see.
I have been involved in 18-30 and the like, photoshoots and never seen such wild abandoned behavior. Almost like they are experiencing some kind of release from stringent morality code in their own country.
Fairly harmless and entertaining nevertheless !

El Grifo

nomorecatering
27th Oct 2018, 13:04
Got some quotes from insurance providers for a family of 4.

$27,000 per year. WTF Who can afford that

BTW I had a 2 night stay in hospital 3 weeks ago which included surgery, x rays, pathology etc etc etc

Total out of pocket cost = $6.70.....that was for diet coke, mars bar and newspaper from the Kiosk. It would have cost me $21,000 in the USA. I don't have 21,000 to pull out of my ass instantly so basically I would have been dead right now. Yes it was quite serious.

I gather that in the USA if you don't work you shouldn't get medical services, .....do they put children with disabilities or babies born with deformities in hessian sacks and drown them in the local river?

RedhillPhil
27th Oct 2018, 13:38
Bear in mind that the U.S. media went into a collective tailspin at the sight of one of Janet Jackson's nipples a wee while ago whilst parents are buying assault rifles for their 16 year olds' birthdays. .

lomapaseo
27th Oct 2018, 13:47
Is this a US (American) bashing thread?

Should we also have similar threads for bashing furrrineers ?

racedo
27th Oct 2018, 13:59
Is this a US (American) bashing thread?

Should we also have similar threads for bashing furrrineers ?

Seems to be................

Gertrude the Wombat
27th Oct 2018, 14:00
Is this a US (American) bashing thread?
Begins to look like it, doesn't it.
Should we also have similar threads for bashing furrrineers ?
I'm sure you are welcome to start one. But please remember the proper respectful American term for foreigners: "aliens".

obgraham
27th Oct 2018, 15:25
So, Nomo, did somebody force you to move to the US?

If not, just stay where you are, “laid up” as you might be, and let us here carry on, prudish or not.

We must be doing sonething right, though, because it seems folks are willing to walk from Honduras to the US.

A_Van
27th Oct 2018, 15:26
A strange topic, indeed. The USA, being a country with 320+ mln people can not be painted black or white. Obviously, there are many tens of mlns wonderful people and also mlns of those who need treatment at a mental asylum. Among a few hundreds I dealt with there personally the absolute majority represented the first group but they were mostly in aerospace, hi-tech and some showbiz.
The topic starter was probably addressing politics ( and media controlled by them) and, yes, politics is a different world.

<<< Do Americans understand that the rest of the world looks at America like the worlds biggest mental asylum.>>>

I do not think so.

<<< As a country, it needs a blowjob more than any other nation on this planet. >>>

Yes, that's true, IMHO. But since there are so many countries that are happy to provide this kind of services, they will expect to keep enjoying.
And, IMHO, there is no contradiction of being pro-life and pro death penalty (for ultimate criminals that took many other lives).

Chesty Morgan
27th Oct 2018, 15:26
Wow, the US is better than Honduras. Way to go!

neila83
27th Oct 2018, 16:31
Wow, the US is better than Honduras. Way to go!

Haha, I Iove how some Americans think immigration is proof of the great superiority of their country. I believe per capita other nations are even more popular, and, as some of them are (whisper it), are borderline socialist!

All you need to know is that pro-life and pro death penalty are basically the same circle on a Venn diagram. These people have absolutely no interest in increasing human welfare, and Jess would condemn them I am sure.

Interestingly in parts of the USA have the same life expectancy as Rwanda. You'd think people would get more worked about that than their right to shoot people. But you'd be wrong.

neila83
27th Oct 2018, 16:42
On topic, yes some parts of America are strangely prudish. Britain can be too. I never understood it, I assume it's people who are getting less sex than everyone else and it makes them angry about it. Everyone's doing it, it's pretty much literally the most natural thing on earth, i's extremely enjoyable, and yet people et worked up about others doing it? Though the US also has a strange thing about cursing. See our friend Marco Rubio getting upset about people cursing in response to people being shot dead. Yes, the cursing was definitely the problem there.

The levels of hypocrisy can be utterly staggering to an outsider. For instance those who will defend the constitution to their dying day and talk about their 'values' being eroded in the modern day. Presumably they preferred thel pre civil rights movement values. What wonderful times for all.

Fortunately, the parts of the USA with the best looking people, tend to be the least prudish. Which can work out rather well for a tourist.

obgraham
27th Oct 2018, 16:59
So, Neila, your way of judging the successful places in this world seems to be the level of copulation, and the frequency of cussing.

Perhaps in time you will develop more mature values.

pr00ne
27th Oct 2018, 17:03
obgraham,

Nope, I think neila83 is spot on and the more of it the better!

Or would you prefer school/synagogue/shopping Mall mass shootings?

neila83
27th Oct 2018, 17:27
So, Neila, your way of judging the successful places in this world seems to be the level of copulation, and the frequency of cussing.

Perhaps in time you will develop more mature values.

Haha, way to prove the op's point!

​No, I use measures such as quality of education, which judging your complete lack of comprehension of my post, the US isn't doing too well on.

I also mentioned life expectancy which interestingly you ignored in your bizarre response. Cussing bothers you more? Says it all...

But yeh, the more copulation the better, if you've grown out of that I can only pity you! I guess for some guns are enough to get them off. There's maturity...

obgraham
27th Oct 2018, 18:02
Yes, well, Neila like most folks your age (at least as reported here), you seem mostly concerned with appearance (“the best looking people”) and the superficial values of life.
Time will eventually help you to mature.

Meanwhile, we don’t really need another America bashing, thread, but carry on if you wish.

surely not
27th Oct 2018, 18:17
It seems to me that USA is probably the most regressive thinking country about sex, and also the most progressive. It depends on which part of the USA you live in I guess.

I have always found it odd how few complaints films and TV shows with graphic violence and killings get. But someone shows a brief glimpse of pubic hair, a nipple or penis and everyone is outraged!! Such strange values

El Grifo
27th Oct 2018, 18:29
Had too shoot a hotel in Daytona during Race Week a few years back !!
The reception staff were besides themselves with angst.
Apparently one of the biker chicks was sunbathing round the pool TOPLESS !!!
Aaaarghh !
El G.

Mac the Knife
27th Oct 2018, 19:25
It seems to me that USA is probably the most regressive thinking country about sex, and also the most progressive. It depends on which part of the USA you live in I guess.

I have always found it odd how few complaints films and TV shows with graphic violence and killings get. But someone shows a brief glimpse of pubic hair, a nipple or penis and everyone is outraged!! Such strange values

I think the threadstarter was onto something, and so is surely not.

Americans are definitely the most prudish people I've ever come across, whatever orgies they may indulge in in secrecy. Try saying "Toilet" in conversation and observe the looks of shock - "We call it the BATHROOM here Mac!"

Having been in the Army and in a UK public (means private) school, I don't worry about walking around in the nude or seeing other people in a like state. Out walking in a group, the American needing a pee trudges off to the nearest tree, no matter how far off, before unzipping his kecks and having a whizz, all the time looking anxiously around in case someone sees him.

In Hollywood bed scenes (remember the Dick Van Dyke Show?), off-camera the man had to have one foot firmly on the floor!

Lenny Bruce used to have some hilarious dialogues about this prim behaviour.

As RedhillPhil remarked; The U.S. media went into a collective tailspin at the sight of one of Janet Jackson's nipples. And as for the sight of a pubic hair (almost extinct now in the US), why, women whisper in shocked voices and strong men faint.

Even the notoriously sensitive Afrikaaners are less prudish than that!

I reckon that it's all Puritan heritage and a hangover from the Comstock Laws {This Act criminalized usage of the U.S. Postal Service to send any of the following items: "Obscenity, contraceptives, abortifacients, sex toys, personal letters with any sexual content or information or any information regarding the above items."}

Mac

{Happily, once out of the public eye, most American sheilas bang like a shithouse door in a gale...}

neila83
27th Oct 2018, 19:30
Yes, well, Neila like most folks your age (at least as reported here), you seem mostly concerned with appearance (ďthe best looking peopleĒ) and the superficial values of life.
Time will eventually help you to mature.

Meanwhile, we donít really need another America bashing, thread, but carry on if you wish.

Maybe one day you'll be mature enough to address the points raised rather than making personal judgements of people you've never met.

Now personally, I don't consider healthcare, life expectancy superficial values of life. f you actually have anything to say about these, we could have an adult discussion.

Your post content has remarkably high tendency towards ignoring the point and playing the man rather than the ball, for someone with such a lofty view of their maturity.

How upset your President must make you given your distaste of cussing and copulation fixation and people fixated on the superficial.

West Coast
27th Oct 2018, 19:49
I think the threadstarter was onto something, and so is surely not.

Americans are definitely the most prudish people I've ever come across, whatever orgies they may indulge in in secrecy. Try saying "Toilet" in conversation and observe the looks of shock - "We call it the BATHROOM here Mac!"

Having been in the Army and in a UK public (means private) school, I don't worry about walking around in the nude or seeing other people in a like state. Out walking in a group, the American needing a pee trudges off to the nearest tree, no matter how far off, before unzipping his kecks and having a whizz, all the time looking anxiously around in case someone sees him.

In Hollywood bed scenes (remember the Dick Van Dyke Show?), off-camera the man had to have one foot firmly on the floor!

Lenny Bruce used to have some hilarious dialogues about this prim behaviour.

As RedhillPhil remarked; The U.S. media went into a collective tailspin at the sight of one of Janet Jackson's nipples. And as for the sight of a pubic hair (almost extinct now in the US), why, women whisper in shocked voices and strong men faint.

Even the notoriously sensitive Afrikaaners are less prudish than that!

I reckon that it's all Puritan heritage and a hangover from the Comstock Laws {This Act criminalized usage of the U.S. Postal Service to send any of the following items: "Obscenity, contraceptives, abortifacients, sex toys, personal letters with any sexual content or information or any information regarding the above items."}

Mac

{Happily, once out of the public eye, most American sheilas bang like a shithouse door in a gale...}

That I choose to take a leak behind a tree and you donít, you find that worthy of a diatribe and labeling as prudish because it differs from you?

VP959
27th Oct 2018, 20:04
I've spent a fair bit of time working in the USA, and the stark disparity between publicly declared "moral" views and reality has always really puzzled me. As already stated above, the majority of hard pornography circulating around the globe comes from the USA (accepting that Germany probably produces a small volume of the most extreme stuff) yet the USA pretends that people under 21 don't drink, and those under 18 don't have sex. This seems patently absurd, yet I've I encountered open abuse when in the USA and just stating that people in the UK can have sex as they wish from the age of 16 and drink alcohol at 18.

I've never been able to reconcile the views of those that declare that all life is sacred, so abortion or contraception should be outlawed, yet also argue that everyone has an absolute right to carry a gun and kill anyone that threatens them or their family.

I really enjoyed the time that I spent in the US, and have to say that the hospitality I received every time I was there was far, far more welcoming than that received anywhere in the UK, but the country still remains a bit of an enigma, in terms of the apparently contradictory values placed on human life.

West Coast
27th Oct 2018, 20:12
. yet the USA pretends that people under 21 don't drink, and those under 18 don't have sex.


Proof please.

VP959
27th Oct 2018, 20:30
Proof please.


Can't prove the under age sex stuff, but I've lost count of the number of times I've seen and heard people in bars in the US being asked for ID to show that they are over 21. To be fair, some pubs here in the UK are a bit more stringent on checking that people are over 18 now, but when I was a teenager few pubs bothered to check, and it was commonplace for 15 to 16 year olds to be served alcohol, and often girls younger than this were served.

Ancient Mariner
27th Oct 2018, 20:49
Jailed I Ft. Lauderdale 1970, 16 yeats old. Jugde asked me if I was intoxicated, asked him if it meant drunk.
Fined 75 USD, nice breakfast though.
Per

bafanguy
27th Oct 2018, 20:53
Well, this stuff never gets old for you folks, does it. :D

I say there's great entertainment value in having a bunch of eutopiasts lecture us Colonists on all the shortcomings of our history, culture, government and governance.

Let 'er rip. It's worth every penny I paid for it !

bafanguy
27th Oct 2018, 20:56
... as some of them are (whisper it), are borderline socialist!...

Is that like being "borderline" pregnant ? :E

wiggy
27th Oct 2018, 21:28
Ultimately it’s their trainset.... we brief our under 21 crew members not to take booze into the country, know Border can be a PITA but sometimes it isn’t, know there’s an ID requirement in most bars (unless you look like an octogenarian and even then...), know not to jaywalk...whatever you do don’t jaywalk..and know you can stumble across interesting stuff on the hotel TV late at night if you stumble for long enough....

There are much worse places in the world to visit......

Not really worth getting bothered about IMHO, when in Rome ( the Italian version........) do as....

cargosales
27th Oct 2018, 21:36
I've spent a fair bit of time working in the USA, and the stark disparity between publicly declared "moral" views and reality has always really puzzled me.

Me too .. I've been to the US quite a few times but distinctly remember a conversation about this very subject with a Texan. He was a rep for some large software company and travelled all over the world, so had been 'exposed' to many different cultures and experiences. Yet his reaction during the following conversation completely surprised me and reinforced exactly what you have said...

Me: I'm in advertising and I find it strange that driving round Houston or Dallas there are huge billboards advertising 'Gentlemens Clubs' aka strip clubs, yet I've not seen a single one for lingerie stores, let alone sanitary products.

Him: Well there's nothing wrong with advertising places like the clubs but as for the other things, ewwww, we wouldn't to see those like that advertised here.

Me: So what about things like the wife's birthday or at Christmas and companies getting guys into their stores to choose some nice lingerie for their missus.

Him: ARE YOU KIDDING? Are you telling me that you walk into lingerie stores and choose underwear for your wife?

Me: Err, yeah, why not? I do that all the time and I'm happy that my wife knows that I know the kind of stuff that she likes to wear. [Hint guys - scarlet outfits with little tassles AIN'T going to cut it !! ]

Him: WTF? I can't understand how you could do that .. things like that are for women to buy on their own.

After that the conversation descended into further levels of non-comprehension on both sides.

So yes VP959, I completely agree with you, just it doesn't mean that Americans are wrong or others are right, it just means that we're all different... and that difference should be respected and understood both ways.

CS

obgraham
27th Oct 2018, 21:37
I think after walking about the central parts of Glasgow snd Manchester, we really don’t need to take our standards of behavior from our Brit ancestors. Often a tossup as to which is more prominent: dog sh!t or vomit.

Mac the Knife
27th Oct 2018, 21:42
"That I choose to take a leak behind a tree and you donít, you find that worthy of a diatribe and labeling as prudish because it differs from you?"

Hardly a diatribe 'ol chum - but aren't you rather proving my point? And it isn't only me that it differs from. From my observations it seems to be much of the rest of the world is more relaxed about such things (except of course in the Sandpit, where someone squatting on their hunkers in a voluminous robe could be doing just about anything!).

Sorry if I've caused offense ;-)

Mac

Pontius Navigator
27th Oct 2018, 21:44
I remember soft porn mags. Playboy in a plain wrapper. Or KeyWest with BDSM and sex shops on main street.

Thomas coupling
27th Oct 2018, 21:54
Meanwhile, good ole USA does what it does best - and thats another mass shooting. Almost a monthly occurence now....
What a screwed up country it has become, where they kill each other "because they can" and a lunatic runs the assylum....

West Coast
27th Oct 2018, 22:21
Can't prove the under age sex stuff, but I've lost count of the number of times I've seen and heard people in bars in the US being asked for ID to show that they are over 21. To be fair, some pubs here in the UK are a bit more stringent on checking that people are over 18 now, but when I was a teenager few pubs bothered to check, and it was commonplace for 15 to 16 year olds to be served alcohol, and often girls younger than this were served.

Just like your nation, there are laws that dictate minimum age. That the age in your nation differs isnít a proper basis to find fault.

You advocating that itís acceptable for 15 year olds to be able to drink in a pub?

West Coast
27th Oct 2018, 22:25
"That I choose to take a leak behind a tree and you donít, you find that worthy of a diatribe and labeling as prudish because it differs from you?"

Hardly a diatribe 'ol chum - but aren't you rather proving my point? And it isn't only me that it differs from. From my observations it seems to be much of the rest of the world is more relaxed about such things (except of course in the Sandpit, where someone squatting on their hunkers in a voluminous robe could be doing just about anything!).

Sorry if I've caused offense ;-)

Mac

You havenít offended, more just raised questions why you choose to label the difference as prudish instead of simply saying thereís a difference.
I donít label a woman from your neck of the woods as a slut because she takes a leak on the trail.

Gertrude the Wombat
27th Oct 2018, 22:45
You advocating that itís acceptable for 15 year olds to be able to drink in a pub?
Rather that than allow them to buy guns, yes.

obgraham
27th Oct 2018, 23:04
Rather that than allow them to buy guns, yes.

Where in the US would that be, Gert, except illegally?

racedo
27th Oct 2018, 23:07
Just like your nation, there are laws that dictate minimum age. That the age in your nation differs isnít a proper basis to find fault.

You advocating that itís acceptable for 15 year olds to be able to drink in a pub?


It is providing having a meal with parents............... mean sit down meal rather than fast food burger joint.

My littlies have tried Alcohol and happy for them to do so when at a meal, it is not a lot but part of teaching them behaviour and
can have some with a meal.

racedo
27th Oct 2018, 23:12
"That I choose to take a leak behind a tree and you donít, you find that worthy of a diatribe and labeling as prudish because it differs from you?"



I would always try and do so where ever I was away from toilet facilities.

Doing it just off the road means you get unlucky if a passing cop car comes by and you get nabbed for indecency which i believe in most states gets labelled a Sex crime.

Bearing in mind anybody in close proximatey to UK town centres and their street is a busy walkway generally walk up with Eau de Urine smell on a Sat / Sun morning.

West Coast
27th Oct 2018, 23:33
I would always try and do so where ever I was away from toilet facilities.

Doing it just off the road means you get unlucky if a passing cop car comes by and you get nabbed for indecency which i believe in most states gets labelled a Sex crime.

Bearing in mind anybody in close proximatey to UK town centres and their street is a busy walkway generally walk up with Eau de Urine smell on a Sat / Sun morning.


ďwhich I believeĒ What makes you believe that? Itís gonna take an awful lot of research to accurately determine that given the multiple jurisdictions one could choose to pee in.

Is there no law against urinating in public where you live? Taking a leak on the side of someoneís house is quite acceptable?

racedo
27th Oct 2018, 23:42
Rather that than allow them to buy guns, yes.

Next time in US, hopefully with littlies I fully intend we spend at least a day in an NRA suggested gun range where they get to learn and shoot guns.

West Coast
27th Oct 2018, 23:46
As a follow up, it is, at least in London is illegal to take a leak in public.

I wonder if that will come as a surprise to our UK citizens and expats who rail about being prudish.

Impress to inflate
28th Oct 2018, 00:17
Wasn't it an American president who had his Johnson in the mouth of his aid who said Oral Sex isn't actually sex?

You are right, TV shows, show people being shot at left right and centre but heavens forbid if you show a breast or a nipple !

West Coast
28th Oct 2018, 00:39
Watched HBO lately?

nonsense
28th Oct 2018, 02:17
A strange topic, indeed. The USA, being a country with 320+ mln people can not be painted black or white.

And yet Americans seem very keen to label each other black or white.

ExSp33db1rd
28th Oct 2018, 03:06
.........know there’s an ID requirement in most bars (unless you look like an octogenarian and even then...),

This year, California supermarket, placed a 12 pack carton of beer on the counter - need to see your I.D. Why, I'm 83, do I look under 21, if so give me a kiss ! I.D. please. Me .... You need my money to pay your wage more than I need your beer, I have a choice. I walked out. Yes, I did have an I.D. in my pocket, it was just the idiocy of it that got to me.

Many moons ago, again California with my crew, the F/O of which did appear a bit young and questionable, so I went to the bar and ordered 4 beers. Need to see your I.D. Why, I don't carry one 'cos I know who I am. No service.

I'm not against barkeepers checking those who may look underage, but for Christ' sake - at 83 ???

Not just the USA. Bought some highly advertised alcohol free beer at our NZ local supermarket this week. The young cashier had to ring his bell and wait for a supervisor to give me the once-over ( at least she didn't ask for an I.D. ) and approve the purchase. I said ... but it's Zero Alcohol, a new venture, no age limit. Maybe, said the super. but it's called beer so he has to check with me and get the till computer to accept the sale.

World's Gone Mad.

obgraham
28th Oct 2018, 05:47
I'm sure most everyone recognizes that SpeedBird was asked for his ID simply because the State had recently decided to enforce the drinking age laws, and likely caught that seller in their trap -- so the owner, angry over his fine, as they often do, decided to just ID everyone regardless of age.
Certainly we do have more than our share of ridiculous laws in the US, like this one.

As often pointed out by folks here, living in a country where you need a license for your TV!

neila83
28th Oct 2018, 06:24
It really is s shame that probably the majority of people the world over, under various religions, are encouraged to be embarrassed and ashamed by one of natureīs most wonderful creations, the human body. Which should be trivial, but alas causes all sorts of problems for people.

I really don't get it. It is completely irrational and comes only from religion, essentially as part of all religionīs efforts to control women (because men were always terrified of sexually free women). Meet a man who has an issue with sex, and it probably comes down to their fear their partner is doing better elsewhere.

I believe there's a fair amount of evidence Mohammed liked go partake in mushrooms. Jesus, well who knows what he was up to in his missing years, though we do know he liked the vino. And yet people make moral judgement on these guys stuff...

SMT Member
28th Oct 2018, 06:41
In Denmark the legal age of consent is 15, and on average young people have sex for the first time at the age of 16. In the US the legal minimum is 18, and the average for first encounter is 17. Which just goes to prove, kids will get frisky as and when they're ready for it, not when some law say they're allowed.

It does seem strange, to me at least, that you can drive when you're 16, die for your country when you're 17, vote, get married, take out finance and legally own a gun when you're 18, but you can't have a drink until you're 21. Odd set of priorities but, as someone set up thread: Their train set, their rules.

Mac the Knife
28th Oct 2018, 06:53
"I don’t label a woman from your neck of the woods as a slut because she takes a leak on the trail."

But you would if she was an American?

Mac

Gertrude the Wombat
28th Oct 2018, 09:11
Doing it just off the road means you get unlucky if a passing cop car comes by and you get nabbed for indecency which i believe in most states gets labelled a Sex crime.
Travelled from Greece to Kosovo in a convey of buses with armed guard (including choppers) through FYROM.

Arrived at a British army camp just inside Kosovo. Buses stopped. All the men got out and stood on the grass verge to pee.

"Wouldn't do that," said a passing squaddie, "we haven't swept those verges for mines. Best stand on the tarmac." The conspiracy theorist in me says that this was a planned and scheduled follow-up to the mine avoidance training that we'd received but which obviously hadn't yet sunk in.

Hydromet
28th Oct 2018, 10:25
An interesting comparison of the mores of two countries occurs in an episode of MASH, where an American wants to keep his dose of clap secret, while the Brit is ashamed of his case of trench foot.

West Coast
28th Oct 2018, 10:38
"I donít label a woman from your neck of the woods as a slut because she takes a leak on the trail."

But you would if she was an American?

Mac

No, Iíd avoid drawing a conclusion and label unlike yourself.

West Coast
28th Oct 2018, 10:49
In Denmark the legal age of consent is 15, and on average young people have sex for the first time at the age of 16. In the US the legal minimum is 18, and the average for first encounter is 17. Which just goes to prove, kids will get frisky as and when they're ready for it, not when some law say they're allowed.

It does seem strange, to me at least, that you can drive when you're 16, die for your country when you're 17, vote, get married, take out finance and legally own a gun when you're 18, but you can't have a drink until you're 21. Odd set of priorities but, as someone set up thread: Their train set, their rules.

Where do you arrive at your conclusion that the minimum age of consent is 18 in the US? Moving forward understand that states set many laws that perhaps may be set at a federal level in your nation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States

Pontius Navigator
28th Oct 2018, 11:11
Many many years ago, a Valiant bomber on a round the world trip lands at important USAF base. This is the first time.

As the aircraft comes to a halt the assembled brass gather ready to welcome the VSO and crew. Door opens, ladder out, and out jumps a small figure already in his khaki drill uniform. As the brass step forward the small figure darts off and pees on the main wheel.

As my informant said "There was a flash of khaki and there was Arkie . . . "

In Cyprus, prior to flight, there was almost a ritual last minute pee in the bondu until one of the flt cdrs threatened us with indecent exposure. I think the plants missed the watering.

Sorry for aviation content.

Pontius Navigator
28th Oct 2018, 11:29
There are many differences between US and UK that can get the unwary Brit. Walking is one.

Remember at a road house near Omaha, there was the daughter of one of the women working there. She had a '4 on the floor' sports car. Her clothes were interesting as her knickers matched her top and skirt. One of our party, a Victor copilot, cut her out and was trying desperately to get into her knickers. He tried to get her to drive home which was in Council Bluffs.

She said she couldn't as it was across the State line and he could be arrested under the Mann Act.

I don't know if he got a home run

Bull at a Gate
28th Oct 2018, 11:36
Boring! You will see different standards of behaviour in different countries. Get over it please!

Gertrude the Wombat
28th Oct 2018, 11:45
There are many differences between US and UK that can get the unwary Brit. Walking is one.
My grandma went for a walk in the USA. A police car screeched up trying to find out WTF was going on. They soon realised that this little old lady wasn't actually a threat to anyone (which was why the caller had called the police in the first place), so assumed that she must be in distress, because her car must have broken down.

They could just not get their heads around the idea that she was walking because she wanted to walk - she'd "gone out for a walk", on purpose, with no criminal intent, and wasn't in distress.

Now, I have been walking in the USA in places where this was considered perfectly normal, such as mountain trails in Alaska. But apparently Miami suburbs are different.

Ancient Mariner
28th Oct 2018, 12:01
As a sailor, did a lot of walking on small, obscure places in the US, most likely looking for the nearest watering hole.
More often than not, a friendly local would pull up and offer a lift. Much appreciated as it was often close to impossible to find a taxi.
This was pre-mobiles/internet.
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Pontius Navigator
28th Oct 2018, 12:43
Another US peculiarity was stalls where the partitions and door bottoms were at knee height, or was that only a military thing?

funfly
28th Oct 2018, 12:55
Just accept that Americans are a funny lot.
As indeed are we English.
FF

ExSp33db1rd
28th Oct 2018, 21:57
Caugth a bus to the Bus Interchange thingy on the Northern side of LAX, and tried to walk to the airline aviation museum on the South, cargo side, of the airport, but this involved walking through a tunnel under a major highway, and although there was an obvious sidewalk there was also a large notice prohibiting walking through the tunnel, penalty of death etc. Whilst stood deciding on my next, probably illegal act, a taxi appeared, and I asked him if he would give me a lift through the tunnel ? At the other side I offered him a dollar, which he refused ! Nothing cheap about me, Carruthers, Continued walking to the museum, now down the highway that I had ridden under, and stopped by the Fuzz - what was I doing walking on the road etc. ? and yes it was worth it, welcomed into the museum by an old - in both senses of the word - one time PanAm stewardess wearing the original '50's uniform near a large model of a PanAm Stratocruiser. Brought back many memories.

Um... lifting...
28th Oct 2018, 22:21
Another US peculiarity was stalls where the partitions and door bottoms were at knee height, or was that only a military thing?

Easier to clean the floor, cheaper to put in, no requirement for a little 'occupied' indicator on the latch, and nobody need rattle the door when the occupant is trying to focus.

Also, the quality of the clientele is easily ascertained by their shoon.

Los Angeles hasn't been a walking city since perhaps the 1940s, if then. The automobile saw to that. The underlying plot of 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit' explains this as well as anything else does.
I've been through that very tunnel, myself.

Pontius Navigator
28th Oct 2018, 22:26
Um, passing a women's facility in Venezuela they went further. The only door was open and there were no doors, in fact no partition of any kind, on the toilets.

Um... lifting...
28th Oct 2018, 22:33
Um, passing a women's facility in Venezuela they went further. The only door was open and there were no doors, in fact no partition of any kind, on the toilets.

A comprehensive discourse on 'bogs I have visited' on all 7 continents exceeds the scope (and probably the bandwidth) of this site. While I am probably difficult to surprise on this matter at this stage of the game, there is always something new.

But for build quality and finish work (and price), I commend one to the British plumber whose name has become a global byword:

Thomas Crapper (https://www.thomas-crapper.com)

Hydromet
28th Oct 2018, 23:20
...and for a learned treatise on early American stool furniture, you might like to read The Specialist, by Chic Sale (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3217321-the-specialist).

Pontius Navigator
29th Oct 2018, 07:31
...and for a learned treatise on early American stool furniture, you might like to read The Specialist, by Chic Sale (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3217321-the-specialist).
I see the illustrate are by William Kermode.

Somewhere in our library I have a copy of Lincolnshire prives. It runs to more than 29 pages.

Um is right, it should be a topic all of its own, maybe with sub sections ☺

nonsense
29th Oct 2018, 08:03
Another US peculiarity was stalls where the partitions and door bottoms were at knee height, or was that only a military thing?
Common but far from universal down under. As someone else noted, it makes cleaning easier.

ethicalconundrum
29th Oct 2018, 21:03
One of the hardest things for non-residents of the US to understand is the difficulty in pigeonholing the entire nation. Although the majority of our ancestors came from about 8 EU nations to start with, we were importing blacks from Africa soon after the settlers made a foothold. We also immigrated many Chinese, and indo-asians along the way. We have a thriving hispanic major community, and plenty of nordic types, whether from the high east-Asia areas, or the high Euro areas. Makes it pretty hard to say a unifying thing about the nation as a whole.

To make a universal comment on something as fractious as sex, health care and abortion, is nearly impossible. I've had the benefit of living in many parts of the US in the past, on both costs, and both borders. The transitions going to growing up in San Diego CA as a teen, and then going to work at Groton CT in the nuclear boat biz - was a mind-altering experience. Also - bring the changes in morality, and liberalism from the 1960s-2020, and it would be a complete minefield.

So, let me just give my op-ed on the whole US hang up with a few choice subjects. Sex: I'm all for it. Personally, I like hetero, but I don't really care one way or another about homo-typical sex, just that it's not my thing. I'm not really too happy with the DEMANDS that the gay community places on social acceptance, but they certainly have a good point on the legal aspects of being treated the same, notwithstanding their choice of bedmates. I think from the age of 15-ish, every youth should make their own decision about how much, and what kind they want to engage in. As far as I'm concerned, if it doesn't cause pain, or demean either party, anything goes. From 15-18, parents should be involved in the decision process(as I was with my two kids), but mostly take a hands-off approach unless there is some undue pressure, or damage being done. a healthy teen sex life makes for a fairly stable sex life in marriage several studies(Master and Johnson is only one) have shown. To note, this is in direct contravention of many religious themes, and mores. If they have their own way of deciding, then those that have CHOSEN that faith, will follow the tenets set forth.

Abortion; This was a sticky wicket up until 1973. The Supreme court finally took the bull by the nuts and made law(a flaw in our triumvirate system) by deciding that abortion was the woman's decision up to some pre-defined time of gestation. Does the baby have a right to be born? Sure - does the woman have the right to decide if she will bear a child? Why yes of course. The splitting of the atom is easier than deciding at what point the zygote is a person, worthy of continued life. From the moment of fertilization, up to the moment the birth sac breaks is all within the realm of possibilities. I think the SCOTUS has done a stellar job so far with an issue that should have been handled by the legislature and executive. My answer to those who are so adamantly against abortion is: Don't have one!

Health care. This is the hardest one to understand for non-US folks, but the easiest one to explain. Here goes; Our founders have stated that citizens(and some residents) have unalienable rights. These rights are a foundation of being born a human, and come from one's creator. Whether one considers a god, or mommy and daddy their creator, no matter which - all human have rights that cannot be abridged or taken away by the govt. We have listed some of them, but the list is not-exhaustive(life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, free speech, worship, redress of grievances, confront accusers, and strangely - the right to own and operate weapons). That means that every living human in the US has the right to health care. No one from the govt will ever stop you from going out and getting all the health care you want. More important though, is that this right does NOT extend to the govts of the US providing one with products, services, labor, or facilities to deliver health care. That - is the realm of private/quasi-public offering. The govt does not restrict or otherwise limit health care in the US, in fact - it is THE major player in setting up insurance sectors, regulations on doctors, facilities, drugs, etc. The US govt goes a long way to see that our health care is top notch, with great vigor, and that all persons will have access to all the health care they are interested in buying and using.

Therefore, a woman who has previously chosen to A. Have sex: B. Get pregnant: C. Deliver a baby must be individually responsible for finding, and having health care for herself and her infant until approx age 18. Do all women do this? Of course not. Are there many, many alternatives provided by the public/private sector? Why yes - there are billions of $$$ of taxes collected and spent every year of my hard earned income to provide a safety net for these type of situations. But - we do not deny the access to, or the offering of more health care to any person. It's just that the "right" of an individual to health care, does NOT mean a govt need provide it for all people. Go find health care, buy it, use it, revel in it. No one from the govt will ever stop you.

I hope this was helpful to those around the world who are so concerned that the US is such a wacky place. It confirms we are a wacky place - maybe, wacky will work for your nation.

FakePilot
30th Oct 2018, 12:50
I think somebody's are jealous. I'd be too if all I could do was sit in a pub and talk about balls.