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LowNSlow
26th Oct 2018, 22:10
You don't know what silence sounds like until your tinnitus stops, tonight is my first night of silence for 10+ YEARS

Tonight is my first night of silence for 10 years

ramble on
26th Oct 2018, 22:14
How did you manage to achieve that?

LowNSlow
26th Oct 2018, 22:14
Ah bollocks, its back...

LowNSlow
26th Oct 2018, 22:18
It was a chilled discussion about our collective family differences and how life was moving on. Then the silence. Marvellous. Now low key, cool.

LowNSlow
26th Oct 2018, 22:26
I've had brain scans (nothing there in abnormality terms but there was a spongy thing there ), ear examinations (no problems) and then I found that it's an internal brain problem. Apparently when the brain has excess electrical energy it deals with it by tuning it to "apparent" sound waves. Bugger!
Tinnitus is the Latin for ringing, the sound in my head is more like a low level scream 24 hours a day 365 days a year

Ascend Charlie
27th Oct 2018, 00:24
Pretty common, I have 3 frequencies humming in my ears. Makes it tough when I do a hearing test - is that the test signal, or the standard tinnitus?? Lots of false "positives".

currawong
27th Oct 2018, 02:17
Similar problem, but mine was diagnosed as a wife.

Quite expensive to have removed I'm told.

lomapaseo
27th Oct 2018, 02:20
Similar problem, but mine was diagnosed as a wife.

Quite expensive to have removed I'm told.

Repeated head blows is rumored to deaden the sound

currawong
27th Oct 2018, 02:27
But I don't like being hit on the head....

Ah. Understand now.:}

ramble on
27th Oct 2018, 03:04
Some years ago there was a thought that tinnitus may have been related to metal amalgam teeth fillings. I had a lot and so had them replaced when an opportunity arose but no change occurred.

i suspect that it may also be related to loud noise exposure when very young - I came from a family of loud musicians and they were a little careless with hearing protection of the young ones.

I am keen for a cure!

Ascend Charlie
27th Oct 2018, 05:15
related to loud noise exposure

45 years in aviation, turbine helicopters etc can do that for you.

sirwa69
27th Oct 2018, 06:14
Still ringing, when I go to the UK it stops. When I come back to Bahrain it starts up again. When I am bladdered it stops, or maybe I just can't hear it Hic!

funfly
27th Oct 2018, 14:18
I have had minor tinnitus all my life, bit like faint ringing in the background. Ive always thought it was the cogs in my brain and I only hear it when everything else is quiet. I quite like it and would miss it if it wasnt there.

LowNSlow
27th Oct 2018, 14:25
hangingunfly, on the rare occasions it goes away it feels strange until I realise what the difference is. Unfortunately it usually returns quite quickly. Today is a constant tone in the left ear with two frequencies of constantly changing volume in the right ear.
The strange thing is I have far more acute hearing than my wife and can hear low level noises that she can't. Bizarre.

rogerg
27th Oct 2018, 14:36
A pilot pal of mine found the "ear candling" can help. Maybe worth a try.

Tankertrashnav
27th Oct 2018, 17:34
Then there was the dyslexic woman who complained about noises in her ear, and received a written report from the specialist. She complained to her husband - "cheeky sod says I've got tiny tits, what's that got to do with noises in my ears?"

Sorry LowNSlow, but I think a certain amount of poor taste humour is permissable on JB

John Marsh
27th Oct 2018, 18:10
rogerg:
A pilot pal of mine found the "ear candling" can help. Maybe worth a try.
Not something I've tried myself. I can see the logic behind it; however:
According to the American Academy of Audiology, there is no scientific evidence that ear candling pulls out debris from the ear canal. Scientific measurements of the ear canals before and after candling show no reduction in earwax. Researchers even found an increase in wax because of the wax deposited by the candles.

In a study published in the Iranian Journal of Otorhinolaryngology, scientists noted the experience of a 33-year-old lady who came to an ear clinic because of pain inside her ear. After doctors examined her, they found a yellowish mass in the ear canal. She mentioned that she had recently undergone an ear candling procedure at a massage center. Doctors determined the mass was formed from candlewax that had dropped into her ear. When they removed it, the woman’s symptoms went away.

Risk of injuries

While there is no reliable evidence showing any benefits of ear candling, there is plenty showing its potential risks and harms.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued a warning to consumers and healthcare providers not to use ear candles because they can cause serious injuries, even when used according to directions.

The FDA adds that they have found no valid scientific evidence supporting the effectiveness of ear candling. Instead, they have received reports of people who experienced these negative effects from using ear candles:

burns
perforated eardrums
ear canal blockages that required surgery

Ear candling increases the risk of these injuries:

burns to the face, outer ear, eardrum, and inner ear
burns resulting from starting a fire
candle wax falling into the ear and causing a plug or inner ear damage
damage to the eardrum
hearing loss
From Healthline.com (https://www.healthline.com/health/cosmetic-safety/ear-candling#risk-factors)

I have used the services of a micro-suction practitioner, for clearing excess wax. Micro-suction is purportedly safer than old-fashioned syringing. The latter is no longer available from GPs in the UK.

My tinnitus is the result of unprotected work in a marine environment. Nothing 'obviously' hazardous, such as large drills etc, just a generally noisy place. Enough to do harm with prolonged exposure.

RedhillPhil
27th Oct 2018, 20:57
Right ear - constant white noise, very poor hearing, virtually deaf. Left ear - excellent hearing.

57mm
28th Oct 2018, 07:57
Steam hose hiss in left ear, little bells ringing in right. Hearing aids just up the volume. Getting better at lip reading. Benefits include reduced reception of nagging.....

DON T
28th Oct 2018, 08:14
rogerg:


I have used the services of a micro-suction practitioner, for clearing excess wax. Micro-suction is purportedly safer than old-fashioned syringing. The latter is no longer available from GPs in the UK.

My wife is a nurse who operates her own micro suction clinics. I have had it done and it was painless apart from the noise.

Tinnitus is a problem with the inner ear which has nothing to do with wax which is a problem with the outer ear. Therefore, wax ear candles shouldn’t help with tinnitus as they supposedly are used to clear wax. Her ENT consultants do not recommend ear candles.

Basically the only thing you should put in your ear is your elbow.

Pontius Navigator
28th Oct 2018, 08:22
My tinnitus is the result of unprotected work in a ------ environment. Nothing 'obviously' hazardous, such as large drills etc, just a generally noisy place. Enough to do harm with prolonged exposure.


There, fixed it for you.

Basically the only thing you should put in your ear is your elbow.


My wife obviously went to the same school.

I have wax. I used to have large, ugly lumps of NHS plastic moulds and not running wax every evening. Had to use buds to mop it up. Once touched my eardrum, did know about it! Switched to SoecSaver hearing buds. Now minimal wax and just use the buds to remove a small amount of was in outer ear.

cattletruck
28th Oct 2018, 08:26
If you stick a microphone down your ear can you record the tinnitus noise? Is it a real noise or is it just the brain's noise cancelling mechanism gone wonky after many years of exposure to loud background noise.

Every once in a while, usually while going to sleep, an ear of mine will switch on a loud tone similar to the TV test pattern tone. If I swallow in a way that stretches the Eustachian tube then the sound fades away much like a discharging capacitor, which got me thinking... could this phenomena all just be a simple electrical resonator made out of mucus, wax and hardening canal walls? How does one connect it to earth.

pzu
28th Oct 2018, 08:34
For what it’s worth, there are a number of claims (Google) that anti-Malarial drugs (Malarone etc) may have something to do with occurrence of Tinnitus

open mind myself as My Tinnitus developed in 2003 after a medical event resulting in 100% hearing loss in my right ear but permanent Tinnitus in same with occaisional in left ear, at that time I had been on Latium for some 2 years - though I also had a history of industrial noise exposure both on and offshore

PZU - Out of Africa (Retired)

Pontius Navigator
28th Oct 2018, 08:40
CT, I think of it as an internal system generated noise. I have it now, no aids in, quiet environment, a definite almost sub audible note at constant pitch. As soon as I switch on the aids the ambient noise is much louder.

Once invigorated an exam where my student had a DVD player playing very quietly to suppress the noise. I don't think, given her job, that she had been subjected to work place noise.

Union Jack
28th Oct 2018, 09:04
CT, I think of it as an internal system generated noise. I have it now, no aids in, quiet environment, a definite almost sub audible note at constant pitch. As soon as I switch on the aids the ambient noise is much louder.

Once invigorated an exam where my student had a DVD player playing very quietly to suppress the noise. I don't think, given her job, that she had been subjected to work place noise.

Do tell us what form of invigoration you used to make the noise that needed suppression!

Jack

treadigraph
28th Oct 2018, 09:37
I used to go to see loud bands in small pubs and often had a gentle ringing in the ears for a day or two afterwards.

This poor guy was the husband of a friend of my sister (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/8898397/Rock-fan-kills-himself-over-noise-in-his-ears.html); I heard the news story at the time but only found about the connection a couple years later.

After a presentation on hearing loss by our safety guy at work, I decided to stay as far away from speakers at concerts as possible...

I remember the effect of a 707 landing at Gatwick passing over my head on the peri road - my eardrums seemed to be rippling. A Scotsman playing the bagpipes right next to me in a pub (England/Scotland rugby) had the same effect!

funfly
28th Oct 2018, 13:36
bit of a thread drift, have you noticed how the adverts link to the thread topic, in this thread I am getting hearing aid adverts.
Clever or anoying?

Pontius Navigator
28th Oct 2018, 16:34
Clever.

Can't remember the thread but it was for a tap from the same company from which we had just bought two kitchen sinks.

Now the clever thing is this tap was exactly what we needed we did not even know its type even existed. We ordered it and it was even half the price of one we might have bought and would have been a compromise.

Cornish Jack
28th Oct 2018, 18:56
Used to have regular ear wax removal in the RAF and with BA. Retired and had it done locally in Sussex. Left an errant piece 'floating' which kept causing intermittent deafness. Booked for 'micro-cleansing' with Sussex hospital consultant. Much peering through microscopic whizz-bang 'thingy' plus internal (ear) poking and prodding. Result: removal of minutest sliver of wax and ... tinnitus!! Constant hissing noise. Pointed out new problem to consultant whose response was " Learn to live with it!" Ho hum, the joys of modern medical science.

VP959
28th Oct 2018, 19:20
For what it’s worth, there are a number of claims (Google) that anti-Malarial drugs (Malarone etc) may have something to do with occurrence of Tinnitus

open mind myself as My Tinnitus developed in 2003 after a medical event resulting in 100% hearing loss in my right ear but permanent Tinnitus in same with occaisional in left ear, at that time I had been on Latium for some 2 years - though I also had a history of industrial noise exposure both on and offshore

PZU - Out of Africa (Retired)


Fits my experience. I first developed tinnitus when I was treated for malaria in 1991. It's been pretty constant ever since, and something I manage by just keeping some background noise around to help mask it. In my case it's a very low frequency hum, that's present 24/7. I dare say that being exposed to fairly high noise levels, particularly when flying rotary wing, may have made me more susceptible, but it didn't start until the course of treatment for malaria.

gileraguy
28th Oct 2018, 20:36
I saw a loud band back in the 90's (Henry Rollins - The End of the Silence tour. I had a high pitched noise in my ears for FIVE years afterwards. Next time I wore earplugs...
(it was actually the best est gig I've ever been too though...)

Uplinker
28th Oct 2018, 21:28
I lost some of my hearing to Motorhead, Black Sabbath, Van Halen et al, in my youth. It makes hearing what people say in noisy pubs etc difficult, but my hearing is very sensitive and I pass my audiometric tests with no problem.

I don’t know if I have mild tinnitus but am conscious of a low level very high frequency tone when my surroundings are very quiet. Luckily(?) the frequency is right at my upper limit of hearing now, around 16kHz, so it does not bother me.

One thing I am fastidious about is wearing ear defenders when doing walk arounds and when using power tools. Peltor make, or used to make a small folding over-ear defender - the H6F - which I keep in my flight bag.

FullOppositeRudder
29th Oct 2018, 07:26
I have multiple high pitched "ringing" sounds within which vary in volume (and slightly in pitch) with my pulse. I have lived a rather noisy life - tractors, some of them very loud, shotguns, chain saws, most of this without hearing protection which hadn't been quite 'invented' until it was too late (for me). My hearing aids do not affect this little problem in any way. 'Tis interesting perhaps that my audiologist suggested that my hearing loss analysis was more indicative of deterioration with age rather than constant and excessive noise. The loudest sound I have ever encountered - to the point of pain - was when the Formula 1 cars fist came to Adelaide. These were the days of 1.5 litre engines with enormous levels of turbocharge (the Senna, Prost, Mansell era).

It's also interesting that when TV first arrived in SA (late 1950s) and we wagged high school briefly to go down the street to the electrical shop where this amazing new invention was sitting in the shop window with a very snowy picture (monochrome of course), I could hear the line oscillator - somewhere around 16 Khz as I recall. That 'feature' soon faded for me - probably as a result of my concurrent exposure to model aero engines of that time.

The tinnitus is not a major issue for me; I'm mostly unaware of it. However it never goes away. It could be worse.

Pontius Navigator
29th Oct 2018, 07:41
Tis interesting perhaps that my audiologist suggested that my hearing loss analysis was more indicative of deterioration with age rather than constant and excessive noise.

That is what they said when I got my award. My noise induced hearing loss would not increase once I left the noise environment. Prior to this awards were relatively easy to get. As word spread the cost rose so awards were reduced. Later a colleague was refused any award and his loss was much greater than mine.

Uplinker
29th Oct 2018, 14:11
.........It's also interesting that when TV first arrived in SA (late 1950s) and we wagged high school briefly to go down the street to the electrical shop where this amazing new invention was sitting in the shop window with a very snowy picture (monochrome of course), I could hear the line oscillator - somewhere around 16 Khz as I recall. That 'feature' soon faded for me.............

At the risk of being an anorak, in the UK it was 15.625 kHz for 625 line television. I cannot remember what frequency the 405 line scan was, somewhere around 10 kHz? (before my time). I reckon those of us who worked in television have a notch filter in our hearing at 15.625 kHz from all the picture monitors.

UniFoxOs
29th Oct 2018, 16:14
i suspect that it may also be related to loud noise exposure when very young

Bomb explosion close by when I was 16 did it for me.

cavuman1
29th Oct 2018, 20:17
My half-brother served on the U.S.S. Constellation as a "Grape" (fueler) during the Viet Nam war. Despite wearing fairly effective hearing protection, he has constant unremitting "loud" tinnitus in both ears attributable to flight deck operations. He is a complete ass; I think the tinnitus has something to do with it...

I suffer from paroxysmal tinnitus - about once a week, one ear, usually the left, will go "deaf", then ambient sound is replaced by a rather unpleasant continuous 8,000 c.p.s. tone. The event lasts no longer than two minutes, then my hearing returns to normal. My Bride accuses me of having "selective hearing" when it comes to "Honey Do" lists or any form of criticism, and, truth be told, she is right. :E But with one foot in proximal septuagenarianism and the other on a banana peel, and with a history of more than one-thousand left-seat hours aloft, tens-of-thousands of shotgun blasts (skeet, trap, and hunting), playing rhythm guitar for a very loud very non-platinum record rock band, chainsaw operation, and firework pyromaniacy, all without hearing protection, I am surprised that I am not completely stone deaf! :eek:

Several decades ago, NASA undertook studies of extract of ginkgo biloba to treat astronauts' tinnitus. They got it from sitting atop rockets, all of which, as John Glenn observed, were "built by the lowest bidder". The treatment was "somewhat efficacious" in 50% of the sample group. I've never tried it, but several friends have and they report some amelioration. One can procure the stuff at any shop which sells supplements.

- Eh, I mean Ed :ok:

teeteringhead
30th Oct 2018, 12:36
Micro-suction is purportedly safer than old-fashioned syringing. The latter is no longer available from GPs in the UK.
Of where do you speak JM?

Certainly still available here in Teeteringshire, am about to book my regular-ish syringing. Or did I misread your post??

Null Orifice
30th Oct 2018, 15:09
After many years of being subjected to aircraft flight-line noise (mostly pre-1974 UK Elf & Safety legislation) I, like many others in the aircraft maintenance fraternity, fell victim to the dreaded high-pitched tinnitus. In my later years I was also diagnosed with a raised level of blood pressure, for which I was prescribed various types of medication. These eventually worked as advertised but left me with a more noticeable, continuous high-pitched sound than before. The link below may be of interest to fellow sufferers and interested parties.

Quote:
“High blood pressure. Hypertension and factors that increase blood pressure, such as stress, alcohol and caffeine, can make tinnitus more noticeable.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/tinnitus/symptoms-causes/syc-20350156#

LowNSlow
30th Oct 2018, 17:04
Tankertrashnav I heard a variation of that joke:

Boyfriend comes home to find his girlfriend in floods of tears reading a letter.
Boyfriend: Whats the matter darling?
Girlfriend: I've just had another letter from my doctor, last week he told me I had dyslexia and now he's saying I've got Tinytits……

I've found certain strains of drum & bass music (Usually not too bassy and with random electronic music in the background) helpful. I discovered this while driving my daughter to her internship in the summer as she insisted on not listening to my favoured Radio 2. She kindly downloaded a playlist for me charmingly named TinyTits!

Currently same and constant tone in both ears. Last week was modulation mania!

Lotus Eater
3rd Dec 2018, 20:56
I started flying the 737 MAX earlier in the year. I developed tinnitus a few weeks in. Went back to the office for a while and the tinnitus stopped. Now I'm back flying full time again, and the tinnitus is back with a vengeance. I have flown many other types and I have never had any tinnitus previous to flying the MAX. I asked a few other MAX pilots and they also seem to have developed it since starting to fly it. Are there any other 737 MAX pilots out there finding that their ears are ringing since the MAX showed up??? I haven't been exposed to any loud noises recently, other than the constant crescendo of screaming children in the background...

Loose rivets
4th Dec 2018, 01:55
Never discount strange issues. Best get the other affected pilots to keep a log of their tinnitus and make sure records are kept.

If the evidence turns solid, albeit with low numbers, then best get it on R&N, medical or technical sections and seek out more data.

What could a type do that others don't? Oscillations at damaging frequencies too high to hear or have a cabin pressure rate that's too high. I can't think what else there could be, unless the radios are simply set to high as some kind of standard setting, but that would be obvious.

I have a major increase in tinnitus since getting cochlea Hydrops. It has destroyed some bands of audio frequency - after having two carpel tunnel ops to play piano again. It has destroyed any hope of hearing classical piano forever. One of the worst things to happen - I never realised how much I'd miss hearing a fine piano.

Everyone laughs, but the Rivetess speaks (softly) right on the worst frequency. Hearing aids just make the distorted mess louder.