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NorthernChappie
12th Oct 2018, 15:23
One of the nicer ones as things go it seems, but full kudos to the bride for showing that scar, what it means to her, and how it can help others.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
12th Oct 2018, 18:18
what scar?

tescoapp
12th Oct 2018, 18:48
she had some pretty major surgery on her back when she was 11 I think to stop her going hunch back later in life and needing a wheel chair when middle aged. Loads of titanium in that girl.


And quite right too, I might add. I haven't seen any pictures of the wedding so can only presume it would be a scar from the top of her neck/base of skull, down to the small of her back.

The AvgasDinosaur
12th Oct 2018, 18:53
The one straight down her spine from her hairline towards a level with midriff
Surgical procedure to alleviate the worst of the symptoms of scoliosis.
One of the many charities she supports!
Intensly painful sitting standing or lying down, so I'm told.
Happy to help,
Be lucky
David

funfly
12th Oct 2018, 23:19
Sorry, did I miss something today?

Tankertrashnav
13th Oct 2018, 00:26
I never knew that about the scar. Mrs TTN suffers from scoliosis and has lost 3" in height since we met 50 years ago. It is troublesome, but not as serious as in some cases. The fact that Princess Eugenie supports the Royal National Orthopaedic Hospital means she has risen a lot in my estimation

treadigraph
13th Oct 2018, 00:43
Mrs TTN suffers from scoliosis

Very close friend of mine does, it can be bloody terrible for her - she's still slightly taller than me though. Great girl she is...

clareprop
13th Oct 2018, 00:57
Cute, happy and works for a living. Good luck to them both.

cargosales
13th Oct 2018, 07:26
I've just been looking at the news headlines about the wedding and two things really struck me,,

1. all the moaning about the taxpayer having to fork out £2 million odd for security etc the wedding .. hmm, ok, she is a royal and the Queen's grandaughter but where do you draw the line? It's a fair question but,
2. compare that with the all the comments from people who have scars from surgery and how much they have felt uplifted and had their confidence boosted by what Eugenie did and for being a very public role model.


Whether you are a royalist or a republican, role models are important for those having a hard time of it. Plus, the 'maths' is actually pretty simple. If all those people had councelling, help sorting out their lowered self esteem and helping them go fowards with their schooling, their lives, their work etc then it would have cost a darned sight more than £2m. It probably wouldn't even cover the publicity for such a campaign, let alone putting it into practice.

Moreover, money simply cannot buy that kind of positive worldwide publicity - try asking the BBC how much they want to run your good news story for your latest product or worthy cause! (For those outside the UK, the BBC does NOT sell airtime like that and just does not have advertising slots. None ).

I'm not a particular fan of the royals but it's not as though Eugenie is some publicity hungry 'celebrity' trying to flog their latest book or film or secure a new TV series and who therefore has no right to call on the public purse.

All things considered, in this case, I reckon £2 million is a snip.

Just my 2p worth

CS

KelvinD
13th Oct 2018, 09:32
I wonder where these figures actually come from? I wonder if the £2M figure was calculated by Sharp and Wide Boy, auditors and counters of beans? Or did a reporter take a sherry inspired guess and it "just growed and growed"? The cost can not be down to the cost of the soldiers involved; they were going to be paid for sitting in the barracks, bulling their boots anyway. The cost can not be ascribed to "additional police". There are NO additional police. Anywhere! There will presumably a cost for overtime for police officers who may have had to work their rest day. The cost can not include hire of the village hall for the hooley afterwards. That happened in Dad's place, while Nanna provided the place and victuals for a pre-wedding beano..
As for the girl herself; good luck to her and her husband.
Incidentally, talking of costs to the tax payer, I read this week that H.M. the Queen had to charter a plane to get them back from Aberdeen to London. Yet members of H.M. Government are apparently able to call upon the R.A.F. for their transport needs.

sitigeltfel
13th Oct 2018, 09:53
I wonder where these figures actually come from? I wonder if the £2M figure was calculated by Sharp and Wide Boy, auditors and counters of beans? Or did a reporter take a sherry inspired guess and it "just growed and growed"? The cost can not be down to the cost of the soldiers involved; they were going to be paid for sitting in the barracks, bulling their boots anyway. The cost can not be ascribed to "additional police". There are NO additional police. Anywhere! There will presumably a cost for overtime for police officers who may have had to work their rest day. The cost can not include hire of the village hall for the hooley afterwards. That happened in Dad's place, while Nanna provided the place and victuals for a pre-wedding beano..
As for the girl herself; good luck to her and her husband.
Incidentally, talking of costs to the tax payer, I read this week that H.M. the Queen had to charter a plane to get them back from Aberdeen to London. Yet members of H.M. Government are apparently able to call upon the R.A.F. for their transport needs.

The taxpayer has to fork out around £7 million annually, in London alone, to provide policing at football stadiums owned by billionaires. The cost across the country must be staggering.

G-CPTN
13th Oct 2018, 09:57
Some time ago, the industrial concern for which I worked decided that certain in-house operations could be achieved more cheaply when outsourced (bearing in mind the overhead that applied from the large manufacturing facility that was maintained to produce those operations).
As they continued to increase the number of operations that were outsourced, the remaining in-house operations became more and more costly as they had to bear their share of the relatively fixed overhead of the in-house facility.
This soon became a landslide whereby none of the in-house operations could be achieved as cheaply as the out-sourced alternative.

I suspect a similar costing process is being applied to the security operations, whereby a share of a fixed overhead is being applied to an activity - whereas that overhead would have occurred regardless of the specified activity.

Jump Complete
13th Oct 2018, 10:03
I think you have to respect Princess Eugenie for that.I had the same operation (more or less) that Eugenie had. From a physical appearance point of you it has to be harder for a girl than a boy, although i am still concious occasionally of the appearance of my back.
I consider myself lucky that a) It worked and I am healthy enough to be a professional pilot and b) don’t suffer back pain. I occassional feel a bit cramped and stretching is a challenge (a ‘cat stretch’ helps. But that’s it.
When I went for my initial medical at Gatwick when I first set off on the road to commercial flyjng, I turned up with the attitude ‘I know I can phyisically fly because I’m fly gliders so just test my heart and eyesight like everyone else’ The head of the medical depart said “We really admire you for what you’re doing” which was meant well but suprised me from a medical person who are usually just matter of fact and ‘get on with it.’ It slightly annoyed me and gave me an insight into attitudes (I assume) people with real disabilities face.

Tankertrashnav
13th Oct 2018, 10:40
Incidentally, talking of costs to the tax payer, I read this week that H.M. the Queen had to charter a plane to get them back from Aberdeen to London.

Funnily enough I have just re-read "In the Wet", the novel where Nevil Shute, writing in 50s had a stab at predicting Britain in the 1980s. He got it spectacularly wrong; Britain with a permanent Labour government, Australia and Canada have swung to the right, house prices have fallen to the floor, population sunk to 30 million, food rationing etc, However central to the story is the decision of the Canadian and Australian governments each to present HM with one of the new Ceres jets for the Royal Flight so the she does not have to go begging to RAF Transport Command (sic) each time she wants to fly anywhere. Seems like things are going that way now, and not under an anti-monarchist Labour administration either!

Worth a read in spite of Shute's failure as a predictor of the future, and the aviation content is good.

Hydromet
13th Oct 2018, 10:47
Australia ...swung to the right
He got that bit correct.

Tankertrashnav
13th Oct 2018, 10:54
Maybe now, but I believe Australia had a Labor administration for much of the 80's, the period in which the book is set, while we had Margaret Thatcher!

The AvgasDinosaur
13th Oct 2018, 12:33
At least the alleged £2million was for one of ours. How much did Trump's visit cost ??
How much do we pay to keep Russian Mafia Oligarchs safe in London and the Home Counties ??
Just curious.
Be lucky
David