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JohnMcGhie
30th Sep 2018, 02:03
"Among the dead was a young Indonesian air traffic controller who stayed at his post when the earthquake hit to ensure that a plane carrying hundreds of passengers took off safely. He jumped from the tower and died before a medical helicopter could reach him."

Part of https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/questions-raised-about-indonesian-tsunami-alerts-as-death-toll-expected-to-reach-thousands-20180930-p506wh.html

B2N2
30th Sep 2018, 06:56
Why did he jump and airplanes have been taking off without ATC for 100+ years.

Joe_K
30th Sep 2018, 07:03
This has more detail: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/indonesia-earthquake-latest-tsunami-air-traffic-controller-death-a8561226.html

"An air traffic controller was hailed a hero after he sacrificed his own life to ensure a passenger plane carrying dozens of people safely took off during an earthquake in Indonesia (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/Indonesia).
As his colleagues fled the Mutiara SIS Al-Jufrie airport, near Palu (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/indonesia-tsunami-video-latest-earthquake-palu-salawesi-deaths-damage-a8559801.html), in Central Sulawesi, 21-year-old Anthonius Gunawan Agung held his ground as the 7.5-magnitude earthquake (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/indonesia-earthquake-today-latest-sulawesi-tsunami-warning-75-magnitude-borneo-a8559136.html) struck.
He had just cleared Batik Air flight 6231 for takeoff as the ground started to shake, but instead of running for safety he waited until the plane was airborne before finally leaving the air traffic control tower.
Trapped as he attempted to flee, Mr Agung was forced to jump from the fourth storey of the tower as the tremors grew stronger.
He suffered a broken leg and internal injuries and although he was taken to hospital, he died while waiting for a helicopter to take him to a different hospital for specialist care.
Air Navigation Indonesia spokesman Yohannes Sirait said Mr Agung’ decision to stay behind cost him his life, but he may have saved everyone on board the plane as the city was later ravaged by a tsunami.
Mr Agung, who would have turned 22 on 24 October, had his rank increased by two levels in recognition of his “extraordinary dedication”.
Soldiers carried his body as it was transported for burial."

Still not entirely plausible as an explanation, the poor chap may have been simply the last one out of the tower as the earthquake hit.

Carbon Bootprint
30th Sep 2018, 16:54
The account seems somewhat dramatic, agreed. However, if the "broken leg" involved the femoral artery and "internal injuries" involved unspecified vital organs, then it's not hard to understand that he expired without immediate care.

Having lived in earthquake prone areas for many years, I will acknowledge they are the most sudden and sinister of all natural disasters. Why he felt the need to "jump," if true, is something I don't quite understand. May the good man rest in peace, in any case.

EEngr
30th Sep 2018, 20:39
Why he felt the need to "jump"
So, what happened to the tower?

cavuman1
30th Sep 2018, 21:26
Remnants of control tower at Mutiara SIS Al-Jufrie Airport in Palu on the Indonesian island of Sulawesi:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/962x643/tower_collapse_843cc153a88b2c3ecfdfa743f7740ecc85901cb3.jpg

RatherBeFlying
1st Oct 2018, 01:00
The earthquake and/or collapse may have tossed him out. But if it looked like the ceiling was about to come down on his head, he may have decided to jump.

RiverCity
1st Oct 2018, 04:17
My guess: In some cultures, responsibility is Job #1; saving your life is Job #2. He may have felt it more important to make sure the plane made it safely off the buckling runway. If not, he could call emergency services, either at the airport itself or from whatever was left of the town. Once the plane was airborne, Job #1 became saving his ***, but it didn't work out that way.

Octane
1st Oct 2018, 06:29
Why the rush to depart on what turned out to be a damaged runway?

RogueRivered
1st Oct 2018, 07:01
I doubt they could feel the earth shaking beneath the plane.

daelight
1st Oct 2018, 07:27
I doubt they could feel the earth shaking beneath the plane.

Strong earthquakes can be 'felt' in an aircraft, just lookup 2011 Japan earthquake of aircraft sitting at Haneda, or even buses / trucks on the road - although they are 100's km from the epicenter, they visibly shook. If memory servers me right, an M7+ and extremely shallow as this one at 10km can cause peak ground acceleration in region of 3g.

Derfred
1st Oct 2018, 14:48
In some cultures, a high “work ethic” can be the greatest honour.

In some other cultures, having money or fame is the greatest honour.

I think Homer Simpson put it best when his daughter Lisa suggested he go on strike. His response was something like “This is America, Lisa. If we don’t like our job, we don’t go on strike! We just keep going to work, every day, doing a really half-arsed job. That’s the American Way.”

I’m sorry if it’s inappropriate to inject that into a thread about a tragedy, I didn’t do it for comedic purposes. The West can still learn a lot from Eastern values of honour.

Good Business Sense
1st Oct 2018, 15:07
My guess: In some cultures, responsibility is Job #1

Definitely, the case .......

I was a skipper on a twin engined widebody, working for a big Far Eastern based airline, climbing out of a large airport in the Far East (airborne 20 minutes) when the left engine decided to stop in a very spectacular fashion - with hundreds of screaming pax (including CP and cabin crew) in my ear I calmed the CP (of 25+ years experience) and briefed her in the usual fashion - I was then asked, "should we finish the service?" :D

ATC Watcher
1st Oct 2018, 16:37
Wether it was logical or not he felt remaining at post assisted in getting that aircraft out putting their safety before his and sitting at home on your sofa saying it wasn't required... Maybe not but in that moment he thought it was and paid the price in trying to save others. That is what is important.
I think this is the best resume of the situation as we know it here . We are still waiting for facts.details from our Indonesian colleagues. But looking at the photo of what remains of the TWR one can maybe understand the need to jump out..
As to the culture , caring about the job first . yes definitively.

bud leon
1st Oct 2018, 16:46
It's interesting to see people view his actions as some kind of cultural curiosity. People are not that different from one another. The firefighters who responded to Chernobyl knew what they risking. The firefighters who responded to the WTC knew the dangers of entering the towers. There are stories of people, logically or illogically, rightly or wrongly, taking risks to put others first. It's not a cultural or racial thing it's a human thing.

No one knows what was going through his mind, he may have just made an error of judgement. I so often read in these forums comments that suggest Asians think markedly differently to those in the west. There are some differences no doubt, but they are not as great as some people here think they are.

Sam Asama
1st Oct 2018, 17:13
The last few posts (Tango, ATC W, and Bud) are what make sites like pprune worthwhile and restores my faith in people (and the internet...).

In stark contrast to B2N2’s post at the start of this thread, which is, in my view, inappropriate.

Sam

WingNut60
1st Oct 2018, 18:54
There is no "fall on your sword" culture in Indonesia.
Some people are very conscientious. Others less so.

He was a young guy, it may have been as simple as having once been told that he wasn't to take his eyes off the aircraft until it was airborne.
Who knows?

Never-the-less, sad day for all.

Sam Asama
1st Oct 2018, 19:19
I would echo WingNut60's comments. Indonesia is a very large, very complex and diverse country. As is true with most places on earth, people's values, and reasons for doing something or not doing something, are individual. Regardless of that, this was surely a horrific few moments for this young man -- and so many others. A sad day indeed.

Sam

rideforever
2nd Oct 2018, 09:59
There is something unhealthy in the hero-making of this young man that reminds me of the Thailand Cave Rescue a few months back where a man died and was proclaimed a hero and plastered over the news. Well in that case the man ran out of air whilst changing gas tanks, a basic error that does not become an operative on an advanced rescue operation.
If we are to learn anything we must learn how to be intelligent and make the correct decision in the face of danger.
In this case, why did the Captain continue with the takeoff during an earthquake ?
Isn't this extra-procedular, and totally the Captain's responsibility ?
If all his colleagues left doesn't that indicate the end of their responsibility ?
What good does it do to watch an aircraft taking off whilst the building falls apart ?
Perhaps he could have said to himself : I have given him clearance, the captain knows it's an earthquake, okay good luck to them, now I will leave. Isn't that the best course ?
The newspapers have a motto, "if it bleeds then it leads", that is how they choose the first article on the paper, and the second article is any kind of heroic deed.
And the airlines make their Public Relations strategy out of any event.
In all this, does anyone really think about the deceased ?
Or about learning the real lesson and becoming competent in real situations, rather than in a movie where jumping from windows works out ?

Sam Asama
2nd Oct 2018, 22:53
smith

Yes indeed the young man (whose name was Anthonius Gunawan Agung) was a licenced air traffic controller working for Air Nav Indonesia. BBC article refers: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45702619

There is more information also available via the Jakarta Post.

Sam

Herod
3rd Oct 2018, 16:44
Think about it. The aircraft could have come to grief, in which case the fire and rescue services would be required. He perhaps didn't know whether they were still there or not (very dynamic situation). To my mind, he made the right decision; at the cost of his life.

ATC Watcher
4th Oct 2018, 09:36
21 seems very young to be a Controller. Would he have been a radio operator just?
Not an abnormal age to be a licenced tower controller in Regional airport nowadays. Radio operator ? which century are you stuck in ? :-)

lapp
4th Oct 2018, 12:36
It is particularly offensive to me that you choose to malign the Thai rescue diver Saman Kunan.

Well written and to the point exactly, Lao.

B2N2
4th Oct 2018, 16:23
The last few posts (Tango, ATC W, and Bud) are what make sites like pprune worthwhile and restores my faith in people (and the internet...).

In stark contrast to B2N2’s post at the start of this thread, which is arrogant, inappropriate and, in a word, disgusting.

Sam

You’ve missed my point Sam.
Based on the initial report his death seemed utterly useless.
”To clear the last plane for take-off”.
it takes physics for the plane to fly, not paperwork or an FMS or an ATC clearance.
He could have left his post sooner and the airplane would have taken off just as safely.

arketip
4th Oct 2018, 16:40
You’ve missed my point Sam.
Based on the initial report his death seemed utterly useless.
”To clear the last plane for take-off”.
it takes physics for the plane to fly, not paperwork or an FMS or an ATC clearance.
He could have left his post sooner and the airplane would have taken off just as safely.




And if it didn't? If something happened during take off? And was gone already and nobody was there to call for help?

You probably would have been here telling us how coward are "those" people, leaving their post.
Easy to pass judgements sitting on the sofa

He probably felt his duty to see the safe departure of the aircraft, and by then it was too late for him( one report I read said that the roof started to collapse and he jumped)

Sam Asama
4th Oct 2018, 19:07
You’ve missed my point Sam.
Based on the initial report his death seemed utterly useless.
”To clear the last plane for take-off”.
it takes physics for the plane to fly, not paperwork or an FMS or an ATC clearance.
He could have left his post sooner and the airplane would have taken off just as safely.


Perhaps I did miss your point, B. I've modified my original post to give you that benefit of the doubt.
Having said that, any post that criticises (or certainly seems to criticise) a young man who died during the course of his duties -- whether his actions were "heroic" or not, and before all the facts are in -- seems just plain wrong to me.

If your intent was instead to wonder what horrific circumstances could have made him decide to finally leave by jumping from the tower, I suppose that's a reasonable question for those who may never have lived through an earthquake or Tsunami. In any event, we now know the answer to that question. And we also know the Captain's feelings and comments re the young Mr. Agung's actions.

Sam.

Chu Chu
5th Oct 2018, 00:37
It sounds as if everyone involved was operating on the belief that the aircraft and its passengers were safer taking off than staying on the runway. And the ATC's job was to clear them so they could take off. He stayed at his post and paid the ultimate price. To me, that's heroic.

Can we say that he saved the lives of all aboard? No. As others have pointed out, the aircraft could have taken off without a clearance, and might in fact have been safer if it stayed on the runway. But putting yourself at risk to help in a crisis is heroic, even if it doesn't end up changing the ultimate result for anyone else.

SnowFella
7th Oct 2018, 09:43
Guess some don't believe in procedures and just wing it.
https://godtv.com/a-miracle-in-indonesia-pilot-heard-gods-voice-and-saved-hundreds/