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WingNut60
19th Sep 2018, 23:16
Lady Kitty Spencer to feature at Telethon weekend
“I love the philanthropic work that I do, and particularly the fact that the charities that I’m involved with all focus on the next generation in different ways, from support for military families, to youth homelessness or children’s rights and education,” she said.


My question : Is it still philanthropy if you're being paid to do it?

G-CPTN
19th Sep 2018, 23:38
Is it still charity work if you are a paid employee of the charity? - especially if your activity attracts income for said charity?

Espada III
19th Sep 2018, 23:49
The moral definition of philanthropy is related to very high net worth individuals giving away large amounts of money and time to charity.

Someone famous being paid to 'advertise' a charity in the hope that the charity will gain more money is not philanthropy; it is business, unless the fee is returned. For example: a famous person is asked to be the keynote speaker at a charitable dinner with the aim of the dinner to raise funds. If the speaker donates their fee back (or waives it) then that is charity. If they keep it, it's business.

Presumably Kitty Spencer doesn't need the money, so I hope she is doing it for free,

Tankertrashnav
20th Sep 2018, 00:20
Is she one of those Spencers?

Espada III
20th Sep 2018, 00:22
Oh yes. More money than the Windsors and they claimed a better pedigree when Diana married Charles.

WingNut60
20th Sep 2018, 01:01
I could be wrong of course, but I doubt very much that she is doing it for free.

Maybe it's just the cynic in me.

Krystal n chips
20th Sep 2018, 06:41
We can only hope her attendance at this event will not be marred by a rather unfortunate navigational error which resulted in her, and other family members, being transported North, rather than South, to Stamford Bridge. True, she wasn't driving, a minion had been hired for this task, but, erm, even as a passenger you might thunk she would have noticed there was a conspicuous lack of road signs marked........".London xx miles." and the journey was taking just a shade longer than would be expected

sitigeltfel
20th Sep 2018, 06:52
Terry Wogan got £1300 per hour for fronting Children in need.

SpringHeeledJack
20th Sep 2018, 07:01
Terry Wogan got £1300 per hour for fronting Children in need.

Incorrect, Wogan did it for free, but his syrup refused to waive it's fee.

KelvinD
20th Sep 2018, 08:22
K&C: Nothing wrong with heading north to Stamford Bridge. Wasn't that the place where King Harold had to give the Danes a snotting before walking back down to Hastings to meet Billy Le Frog?
Unless of course it refers to the village just outside Chester!

ImageGear
20th Sep 2018, 08:27
Some of the biggest donors to charity are wealthy Americans, the tax framework in the US allows charity donations to be offset against revenue. Consequently, the loss to the public purse is carried by the ordinary tax paying public. Having said that, if charities relied on people like me for incredibly generous donations, they would be very quickly out of pocket.

IG

Tankertrashnav
20th Sep 2018, 10:24
We can only hope her attendance at this event will not be marred by a rather unfortunate navigational error which resulted in her, and other family members, being transported North, rather than South, to Stamford Bridge.

I remember at the time somebody commented that they were lucky that the match wasn't being played at The Emirates stadium. Also remember the Turkish lorry driver who arrived at Gibraltar Point in Lincs and was puzzled by the absence of the bloody big rock he was expecting!

Flipping satnavs!

radeng
20th Sep 2018, 12:12
Somehow I am reminded of the Gilbert and Sullivan operetta 'The Gondoliers'.

"At charity dinners, the best of speech spinners, I get ten per cent of the takings"

Krystal n chips
20th Sep 2018, 13:47
I remember at the time somebody commented that they were lucky that the match wasn't being played at The Emirates stadium. Also remember the Turkish lorry driver who arrived at Gibraltar Point in Lincs and was puzzled by the absence of the bloody big rock he was expecting!

Flipping satnavs!

Is that in your professional opinion then ?......;;) :)

WingNut60
20th Sep 2018, 15:13
Just for the record, the Telethon mentioned in my original post is the one in Perth, Western Australia.

For example: a famous person is asked to be the keynote speaker at a charitable dinner with the aim of the dinner to raise funds. If the speaker donates their fee back (or waives it) then that is charity. If they keep it, it's business.

If there is a fee at all, then it was never going to be charitable works.
Refusing a fee in the first place would be charitable, possibly even philanthropic provided ......
......donates their fee AND EXPENSES?? back (or waives it) then that is charity.
Otherwise, that person has given nothing, but has scored an all expenses paid holiday in Australia in spring.

Captivep
20th Sep 2018, 16:54
Just for the record, the Telethon mentioned in my original post is the one in Perth, Western Australia.



If there is a fee at all, then it was never going to be charitable works.
Refusing a fee in the first place would be charitable, possibly even philanthropic provided ......
......donates their fee AND EXPENSES?? back (or waives it) then that is charity.
Otherwise, that person has given nothing, but has scored an all expenses paid holiday in Australia in spring.

Why do you think she is (a) being paid and/or (b) having her expenses paid?

WingNut60
20th Sep 2018, 18:07
Why do you think she is (a) being paid and/or (b) having her expenses paid?

Because for years and years (at least 45) Telethon has done just that.
Always one international *star* to help promote the event.

Sammy Davis Jnr, Stevie Wonder, Celine Dion, Cliff Richards, Whitney Houston, et al.
Do you think that they all just turn up for the hell of it?

BAengineer
21st Sep 2018, 02:55
K&C: Nothing wrong with heading north to Stamford Bridge. Wasn't that the place where King Harold had to give the Danes a snotting before walking back down to Hastings to meet Billy Le Frog?
Unless of course it refers to the village just outside Chester!

The only Stamford Bridge that matters is the one just off the Kings Road.. ;)

BAengineer
21st Sep 2018, 03:01
Some of the biggest donors to charity are wealthy Americans, the tax framework in the US allows charity donations to be offset against revenue. Consequently, the loss to the public purse is carried by the ordinary tax paying public.

Is there a loss though. If the charity is getting the money direct is that not better than routing it through the government and paying for a load of bureaucrats on the way?

Captivep
21st Sep 2018, 10:32
Because for years and years (at least 45) Telethon has done just that.
Always one international *star* to help promote the event.

Sammy Davis Jnr, Stevie Wonder, Celine Dion, Cliff Richards, Whitney Houston, et al.
Do you think that they all just turn up for the hell of it?
I have no idea! I was just wondering whether you knew that as a fact, or were making an assumption...

ImageGear
21st Sep 2018, 12:26
I would respectfully suggest that if charities were depending on Government support,, they would wait a long time, and probably not be charities anyway, so yes it is effectively a loss.

IG

WingNut60
21st Sep 2018, 12:44
I have no idea! I was just wondering whether you knew that as a fact, or were making an assumption...

Fair enough; perhaps I was seeing an inference in your query that just was not there.

Actually I have no evidence for any of them.
But MY logic tells me that they were paid.

When I posted the first query I was thinking, perhaps erroneously, that she might be doing it on the British public purse.
In hindsight, probably not.

I just get a tad cynical about highly-paid, high-flyers being showered with accolades for doing something "philanthropic" that they are simply being paid to do.
If I build a school building in backblocks Cambodia I don't see it as being particularly philanthropic - because I'm being paid to do it.
And the company that employees me is not being philanthropic because they're being paid too.
And if it is the government paying that company then they are not being philanthropic either.
The only ones being philanthropic are the taxpayers who gave their money to the government and allow it to be used for that purpose.

tdracer
21st Sep 2018, 18:35
WingNut, I don't know where your cynicism on the subject comes from, but it is pretty common in the US for celebrities and sports stars to 'adopt' a pet charitable cause and support it with both time and money. Many, many TV commercials for various charities feature prominent celebrities (either in person or as voice-overs) and nearly all are doing it as unpaid volunteers.
Further, many celebrities/sports stars start their own organizations for various causes (disadvantaged youth being a big one for sports stars) - usually fronting most/all of the start up costs and often providing multi-million dollar endowments - as their way of giving back to the community.
Sure, there are some that have less than honorable intentions - who pretend to be charitable while actually lining their pockets - but they are the minority.

SARF
21st Sep 2018, 21:12
I always enjoyed city types doing stuff for charity ..

hey SARF sponser me for great ormond st..

what you doing ?

cycling to Paris..

mmmm. 100 hours training. And three days for the jolly itself plus 3 grand for your new specialised race bike,
how about you spend a week volunteering at a rather poor old people’s home and I’ll donate 500 quid to that
you know clean up some puke n shit, read some books. Talk to people..
or will you miss the support van with the new tyres and sandwiches

WingNut60
21st Sep 2018, 22:57
Some years back while running one sector of a multi-national in Indonesia I was hit up by a senior manager of our clients company for our company to give him a wedge of cash so he could donate to a local orphanage at that time of the Muslim calendar.

As unadvised as it was to buck the guy I finally assembled the balls to tell him to f... off.
We donated the requested zakat directly to the orphanage and cut out the middle(con)man.
I suspect that he's still looking for a shortcut to the host of virgins.

Captivep
22nd Sep 2018, 12:56
Some years back while running one sector of a multi-national in Indonesia I was hit up by a senior manager of our clients company for our company to give him a wedge of cash so he could donate to a local orphanage at that time of the Muslim calendar.

As unadvised as it was to buck the guy I finally assembled the balls to tell him to f... off.
We donated the requested zakat directly to the orphanage and cut out the middle(con)man.
I suspect that he's still looking for a shortcut to the host of virgins.

Did you think he was going to steal some of it? If so, what you did was entirely reasonable.

Or did you not want him to pretend the donation was coming from him?

WingNut60
22nd Sep 2018, 13:53
Did you think he was going to steal some of it? If so, what you did was entirely reasonable.

Or did you not want him to pretend the donation was coming from him?

Both.
Totally lacking in ethics.
Exactly the same right up until the time he retired as senior VP of the operation - at that time owned by one of the world's largest mining companies.
They obviously selected him as a local front man capable of dealing one-on-one with government officials of the same ilk.

If he was making a poultice on the side, so what.
Only a small part of the end-game.