Pilot Shortage Fixed By October?!

[Calmcavok]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-11/emirates-profit-rebound-threatened-by-summer-pilot-shortage

According to Timbo, we’ll be alright from October, our new cadets will be here to save the day. Wonder why our rosters still aren’t published?! Silence from the Very Naughty Boy and the bouncy castle. Can’t wait for the excuses.. :D

[Xulu]

128:15 scheduled block hours in 31 days in my Oct roster.

or

120:20 in 30 days.

or

105:35 in 28 days.

However you want to look at it - take your pick.

There’s no sentiment, no agenda here; these are the numbers.

This is how they’ve solved our pilot shortage.

[glofish]

Don't we just have to love the reigning bs at this company. Only minutes after the publication of the new rosters we can read on the mailgroup from guys who want US for AUS and the next mailer would like a AUS for his US..... Myself i bid for anything north and northwest, to end up with only south and southeast/down under ..... Consistently though no swap is possible due to roster compression, cr@p rules and other manual insertions who feel like having taken away the m and the u.
It is really and sincerely pathetic.

[MaverickPrime]

128:15 scheduled block hours in 31 days in my Oct roster.

or

120:20 in 30 days.

or

105:35 in 28 days.

However you want to look at it - take your pick.

There’s no sentiment, no agenda here; these are the numbers.

This is how they’ve solved our pilot shortage.


would be be interesting to know the total duty hours??

[Townie]

99 hours and only 9 days off on the 380. Swapping impossible so far, with ULR restrictions, productivity and days off limits.

As a techno idiot, it took me about 5 minutes to figure out how to display the detailed report to see the total hours. Now know the reason why they don't email us anymore. Far too handy a reference as to what you are really doing. I knew BTs nonsense about the email server being stressed was BS. After, all they manage to send their company updates in two formats to the entire group DAILY.

[Monarch Man]

Use the rules to your advantage SKF.

[SOPS]

Sorry but madness has taken control. 128 hours... that is nothing short of insane!!’

[The Outlaw]

Sorry but madness has taken control. 128 hours... that is nothing short of insane!!’


...and so the disease and cancer continue to spread within the organization. The ship is sinking yet the band play's merrily on.

[Alloy]

To repeatedly accept 128+ hours looks to me like assisted suicide.

[SOPS]

Funny Alloy, I was just about to say the same thing.

[fighterkok]

128:15 scheduled block hours in 31 days in my Oct roster.

or

120:20 in 30 days.

or

105:35 in 28 days.

However you want to look at it - take your pick.

There’s no sentiment, no agenda here; these are the numbers.

This is how they’ve solved our pilot shortage.


XULU,

Are you EK or somewhere else in the Gulf?

[Global_Global]

Come guys... Nothing wrong... Hush hush... It is all sorted... Really, we say so therefore it is...No shortages here... Nothing illegal... All is well... :rolleyes:

[gtaflyer]

......head in the sands.

[Ghost_Rider737]

I always thought that the A380 pilots flew a more “manageable” roster ....... but 99 hours is insane.

[Starbear]

As a current industry employee and regular fare paying EK passenger in J and Y class, this is now seriously worrying me. Tell me who I should write to at least make them aware of the poison that now infects this company (CX no different)

i don’t mean GCA or standard EK feedback or even sir Tim who I am forever forced to listen to ad nauseum in between ICE movies.
Where is that BBC fatigue reporter now?

[capster]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7uHwS4Hmf7A

Get hold of Paula Slier

[Porto Pete]

I know nothing of Emirates so can't comment on the specifics but they are not the only airline that is under crewed worldwide. Quite a few employers are really starting to hurt.

I can't help but wonder if various CEOs worldwide are waiting for an economic downturn and the end of the cycle to arrive. We are in the longest bull market there has ever been. There is a downturn coming and we are long past due. I feel almost certain that these CEOs have decided it's only a matter of time before one or two big airlines, who are already shaky financially, are going to fall over. If there is, there will be a flood of experienced pilots out on the street and this problem will be solved. Let's say two more Air Berlin go to the wall.

[safelife]

How many pilots from Air Berlin joined Emirates?
I'm aware of four. Out of 1600...

[Australopithecus]

There has always been something to relieve an incipient shortage: 9/11, plagues, GFC, etc. Now though, after a decade of neglect and constant public attacks on pilot pay/conditions by executives, the numbers of students is well below the projected replacement + growth curve.

An untimely downturn might release a few thousand pilots back into the wild, but the global appetite could absorb them all in a few months. That then sets the stage for even more supply tension after any recovery.

There seem to be only two major international airlines in the world that cling to the defunct model of “two pilots and a grub under every rock in the garden.

My ppl/multi/ifr/cpl cost circa $5,500 in 1970-1972. First job paid $18k . make that now in two weeks. Today’s cadet student needs to spend around $150K for the same result. Reckon they’ll be paying a million a month in 2060 or have

on edit: not trying to big note myself, merely pointing out that the value proposition for new pilots does not seem to be what it once was. And yet some managers bemoan shortages on one hand while making the job less attractive on the other.

[NotPC]

Safelife, same question ref Monarch pilots? Not many !!

[Mr Angry from Purley]

Buy Etihad and the pilot shortage may be fixed - that's a lot more crews to play with and can only assume some flights / aircraft would get dropped.

[pilotguy1222]

380 roster blows these days as well. I am constantly at 100hrs.

99hrs for October plus ground school and 2 days in the box.

[donpizmeov]

380 roster blows these days as well. I am constantly at 100hrs.

99hrs for October plus ground school and 2 days in the box.

no wonder we are referred to as lazy. Complaining of 100hrs but only doing 99hrs and a bit of free stuff. : )

[Monarch Man]

Only a few days to go, and it would seem the shortage is getting worse, never mind though as live leave is now magically available to those who dont wish to cross the correct hand with silver.

[The Outlaw]

Only a few days to go, and it would seem the shortage is getting worse, never mind though as live leave is now magically available to those who dont wish to cross the correct hand with silver.

Are you on your final steps on the "walk to freedom"?

[Lepo]

Lots of flights having service reduction or cancellations in the next months. Pilot Shortage reflexes maybe? Or just weak economic performance?


Emirates in recent schedule update filed additional changes to its planned Northern winter 2018/19 season, effective from 28OCT18 to 30MAR19. Latest adjustment as follows.

Dubai – Adelaide 777-200LR replaces -300ER during following period: 28OCT18 – 30NOV18, 01FEB19 – 30MAR19
Dubai – Bangkok – Sydney eff 15JAN19 777-300ER replaces A380, 1 daily (Actual booking continues to display A380 for the time being)
Dubai – Barcelona 06NOV18 – 30NOV18 777-300ER replaces A380 on 2 daily flights
Dubai – Cape Town eff 01FEB19 Reduce from 3 to 2 daily
Dubai – Denpasar – Auckland Service reductions from 7 weekly to following:
12NOV18 – 03DEC18 5 weekly (Overall Dubai – Denpasar service reduces from 14 to 12 weekly)
21JAN19 – 30MAR19 4 weekly (Overall Dubai – Denpasar service reduces from 14 to 11 weekly)

Dubai – Ft. Lauderdale eff 28OCT18 Reduce from 5 to 4 weekly
Dubai – Orlando eff 14JAN19 Reduces from 5 to 4 weekly, 777-300ER operating
Dubai – Perth Following period reduces from 14 to 11 weekly (EK424/425 reduces from 7 to 4 weekly): 07NOV18 – 28NOV18, 02FEB19 – 30MAR19
Dubai – Prague eff 06NOV18 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily
Dubai – Rome eff 28OCT18 Reduce from 3 to 2 daily
Dubai – Rio de Janeiro Galeao – Buenos Aires Ezeiza 11MAR19 – 30MAR19 Reduce from 7 to 5 weekly
Dubai – Sao Paulo Guarulhos – Santiago de Chile Service reduces from 5 to 4 weekly (Sao Paulo overall from 12 to 11 weekly) during following period: 10NOV18 – 29NOV19, 08DEC18 – 15DEC18, 12JAN19 – 23FEB19, 17MAR19 – 30MAR19
Dubai – Singapore eff 15JAN19 EK352/353 A380 replaces 777-300ER (Overall remains unchanged at 2 daily each A380 and 777-300ER)
Dubai – Singapore – Melbourne 777-300ER replaces A380 during following period: 02NOV18 – 20NOV18, 15JAN19 – 30MAR19 (The latter period continues to display A380 at time of booking, however timetable has switched to 777)
Dubai – Tokyo Haneda eff 01FEB19 Planned 2-class 777-200LR service on Day 25 operates from this date, instead of from 01JAN19
Dubai – Yinchuan – Zhengzhou eff 15NOV18 3 weekly service cancelled

Previously reported changes:
Colombo – Singapore eff 28OCT18 1 daily service cancelled
Dubai – Amsterdam eff 01DEC18 Increase from 14 to 18 weekly, 19 weekly from 07JAN19
Dubai – Budapest eff 01FEB19 3-class 777-300ER replaces 2-class
Dubai – Edinburgh Service reduces from 7 to 5 weekly: 28OCT18 – 03DEC18, 15JAN19 – 27MAR19
Dubai – Johannesburg eff 01DEC18 EK761/762 once again operated by 3-class A380, replacing 777-300ER (Overall 2 daily each A380 and 777)
Dubai – Mashad eff 28OCT18 4 weekly service cancelled
Dubai – Moscow Domodedovo eff 25OCT18 Increase from 2 to 3 daily
Dubai – Multan eff 27OCT18 4 weekly 777-300 service cancelled
Dubai – Osaka Kansai eff 28OCT18 3-class A380 replaces 777-300ER, 1 daily
Dubai – Stockholm Arlanda eff 01DEC18 Increase from 1 to 2 daily, 3-class 777-300ER operating
Dubai – Zagreb eff 02DEC18 1 daily service transferred to flydubai for winter season, 737 MAX 8 operating

[Monarch Man]

It’s a miracle it’s solved! Superior Habibi genetics must be responsible.

[Emma Royds]

Can any of my 380 colleagues confirm the rumour that the RR powered aircraft, will be requiring a period of downtime to address an issue with high oil consumption?

If there is any truth to this, then I suspect this could make a noticeable difference to available capacity?

[Joker11]

Oh man CPT reduced again!? Is the temp or permanent?

[diesel9]

Oh man CPT reduced again!? Is the temp or permanent?

Seasonal..

[1 to go]

Very sad to see the crippling work patterns now in EK, this cannot in the long term be any good for pilots or the company.
I hear a rumour that Virgin may recruit B777 pilots. A much better lifestyle for those who have had enough.

[Adam Barfy]

With the demise of Primera Air, I guess we will get some Scandinavians applying. But there are better options around.

Will be interesting to see how many take up the offer, now EK is far from being the airline of choice.

[fatbus]

Primera Air - 7 AC ? Less than 100 pilots total? My guess EK @ 10

[Adam Barfy]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-02/emirates-adds-edinburgh-then-cuts-flights-amid-fleet-pinch

[donpizmeov]

Thank God STC identified and fixed the problem so quickly . Rosters should be down to mid 90hrs now.

[seven3seven]

" operated by Persian Gulf carrier Emirates (https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/1000Z:UH) " AHAHHA good one bloomberg

[Joker11]

https://youtu.be/cognzTud3Wg

Are we really running out of pilots?

[donpizmeov]

Reading TCTs scribble today I had a flash back to only 14yrs ago when TCK wrote that we were getting DECs . Promises were made then too about no FO being left behind . Ask how it worked out for FOs on the 330 fleet back then when their commands blew out to 7yrs when 777 fellas were taking 3yrs . I take it this was what was needed to bring Easy pilots over.

Funny how they can talk about the need for experienced pilots, and go to such measures to hire some short haul ones . And at the same time allow Capts to keep leaving . They must think worse of us than I believed if they really think we are going to believe this sh?t.

Let the seasonal flight changes and cancellations continue . Muppets .

[SOPS]

Why do the need Easy pilots at all, Don? Just a few posts above yours is an article telling us there is no pilot shortage.🤬🤬

The muppets can’t even get their story straight to make the lies at least the same.

[fatbus]

Muppets is an understatement. More waste of money spent covering up the person responsible by firing those around her and losing good people as a result!

[BigGeordie]

What happened to the veritable flood of (unmentionable airline) and SAA pilots who were ready to drop everything and rush to Dubai? It has all gone a bit quiet.

[Joker11]

What happened to the veritable flood of (unmentionable airline) and SAA pilots who were ready to drop everything and rush to Dubai? It has all gone a bit quiet.

I heard two things. The SAA guys went to QR due to better T and Cs and I also heard that they weren't interested in coming to EK.

[mach decimal 83]

I heard two things. The SAA guys went to QR due to better T and Cs and I also heard that they weren't interested in coming to EK.

Not entirely true Joker. About 40 SAA guys were interested, of which more than 20 have already started. Another 6 to start on 1 November.

[Joker11]

Not entirely true Joker. About 40 SAA guys were interested, of which more than 20 have already started. Another 6 to start on 1 November.

My bad. Clearly I was not up to date.

[beechbum]

MD 83.......Not entirely true either! Only 20 have signed up. 3 have already started so not sure where your info comes from.

[allaru]

Not entirely true Joker. About 40 SAA guys were interested, of which more than 20 have already started. Another 6 to start on 1 November.
thank F#@k for that then....we're finally saved with 26 guys our prayers are answered...70 hour Rosters on the way....

[Monarch Man]

Probably not a surprise to some on here, but I pulled the pin last month, the family leaves in 2 weeks, a newer less fatigued and enjoyable life awaits.

[Emma Royds]

Nicely timed MM! Home in time for Christmas?

Best wishes for the next chapter!

[kcar]

Probably not a surprise to some on here, but I pulled the pin last month, the family leaves in 2 weeks, a newer less fatigued and enjoyable life awaits.
Guess we resigned around the same time then.

[SOPS]

You have been there too long Emma, you are beating wishes into MM !!!!!!

[Joker11]

Probably not a surprise to some on here, but I pulled the pin last month, the family leaves in 2 weeks, a newer less fatigued and enjoyable life awaits.

Good on you! 2019 can't come fast enough.

[Bigpants]

Time for Emirates to buy Thomas Cook at 56p a share, collapse the company into administration a month later.....then split the pilots between China with Fosun or Dubai and Emirates?

[Emma Royds]

You have been there too long Emma, you are beating wishes into MM !!!!!!

Duly edited to removed the error! :ok:

[fatbus]

A majority of the SAA pilots were offered DEC at QR and took it .

[Joker11]

A majority of the SAA pilots were offered DEC at QR and took it .

Thats what I heard.

[puff m'call]

Now we're well into October I guess everything is sorted?

No problem.

[felixthecat]

Standard 9 days off for November, 90+hours, lots of night turns, nothing that I bid for. Seems like nothing has changed except the date.

[cerbus]

I got 10 days off this month! Emirates is the Airline for me.

[fatbus]

MRU 6 hr layover in November ? WTF

[Ilyushin76]

You all should thank your stars for being in an airline, good or bad. I know of hundreds of rated pilots sitting home doing nothing due to the shutdown of a regional airline.

:)

[level_change]

If you think that QR rosters are better - yes they used to be but those times are over and im not sure if they will ever come back.

[The Outlaw]

You all should thank your stars for being in an airline, good or bad. I know of hundreds of rated pilots sitting home doing nothing due to the shutdown of a regional airline.

:)

Have them apply to and get hired at EK. It won't take very long for them to realize that sitting at home is a safer and healthier option.

[CaptainProp]

Have them apply to and get hired at EK. It won't take very long for them to realize that sitting at home is a safer and healthier option.

Haha....

Anyone sitting at home now without a job and without at least 2-3 interviews lined up is probably doing something wrong. I actually don’t know of any airline in Europe or ME, bar the unmentionable, that is NOT hiring.

CP