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Navpi
13th Sep 2018, 20:46
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/13/france-may-stop-trains-and-planes-from-uk-under-no-deal-brexit
Very messy with French Minister indicating they may have to stop planes flying into or overflying France
( ....many of us thought they had already , but that's another story :) )
Tit for tat as the French probably haven't thought about the UK blocking airspace to ALL flights overflying UK effectively stopping not just the French but ALL EU-US flights for EXACTLY the same reason!
An idea mentioned by Ian Duncan Smith should technical compliance be raised funnily enough by the French!
DaveReidUK
13th Sep 2018, 21:21
An expression involving cutting off noses springs to mind ...
ssflyer
13th Sep 2018, 21:31
" Very messy with French Minister indicating they may have to stop planes flying into or overflying France "
No change then as they do that every year with their ATC strikes :(
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Plane.Silly
14th Sep 2018, 06:44
No change then as they do that every year with their ATC strikes https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/sowee.gif
Every other month more like
tibbs87
17th Sep 2018, 02:10
Just empty threats from France as per usual.
I mean I doubt they'd want to see an enormous drop in passenger figures and income into Paris-CDG & Nice from the UK, not forgetting that UK flights into French regional airports like Avignon, Bergerac, Béziers, Chambéry, Dinard, Grenoble, La Rochelle, Le Touquet, Limoges & Nîmes outweigh many other airlines in terms of passenger numbers, or in some cases only have UK airlines operating into them - so many regional areas will be up in arms...
Dannyboy39
17th Sep 2018, 04:44
No country can stop overflight (unless there is a strike! ;) ) - that is nothing to do with Brexit, so that’s a total scare tactic as per usual.
Flitefone
17th Sep 2018, 05:34
No country can stop overflight (unless there is a strike! ;) ) - that is nothing to do with Brexit, so that’s a total scare tactic as per usual.
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2018-06-05/qatar-lobbies-free-airspace-blockade-enters-second-year#
KelvinD
17th Sep 2018, 06:24
Watching a parade of Austrian registered easyJet flights arriving and departing Gatwick recently, I was wondering what was the point of this wholesale shift from the UK register to the Austrian. My guess was as a backstop arrangement to protect easyJet from post-Brexit rule changes restricting, or even stopping, flights by UK carriers into Europe. If that guess is correct, have easyJet wondered what would happen if the UK government said something along the lines of "You ban our flights into Europe and we will ban yours on a reciprocal basis"? If the easyJet move is indeed for protection against post-Brexit disruption, could it all go wrong?
wiggy
17th Sep 2018, 06:40
have easyJet wondered what would happen if the UK government said something along the lines of "You ban our flights into Europe and we will ban yours on a reciprocal basis"?
We are into what I hope and is the highly hypothetical here, but if moving aircraft onto a EU27 registration means those Easyjet aircraft will be available for internal EU flights post Brexit day the move makes some sense.
There still seems to be a bit of a mindset displayed by some that the European airlines (LoCos and others) are only interested in flights to/from the U.K. and that that is the only market they need to protect. It may surprise some to know that there is a rather large amount of air travel performed between the other EU nations.
PDXCWL45
17th Sep 2018, 07:04
We are into what I hope and is the highly hypothetical here, but if moving aircraft onto a EU27 registration means those Easyjet aircraft will be available for internal EU flights post Brexit day the move makes some sense.
There still seems to be a bit of a mindset displayed by some that the European airlines (LoCos and others) are only interested in flights to/from the U.K. and that that is the only market they need to protect. It may surprise some to know that there is a rather large amount of air travel performed between the other EU nations.
Yes people are aware of the importance of internal EU routes but the UK is also extremely important to them and both the biggest LCCs have their biggest bases here. UK to the EU is an extremely large and lucrative market which if denied access to would hurt all the major airlines in Europe some more than others.
SWBKCB
17th Sep 2018, 07:14
Speculate all you like, but the fact is that with six months to go there are no legislative or regulatory agreements in place for flights between the UK and the EU after we leave.
That isn't a lot of time to get 'seamless' processes in place, especially if it really is "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed"
No country can stop overflight (unless there is a strike! https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/wink2.gif ) - that is nothing to do with Brexit, so that’s a total scare tactic as per usual.
Different set of circumstances, but then how do the likes of saudi etc stop ELAL flying over them??
DomyDom
17th Sep 2018, 09:37
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/13/france-may-stop-trains-and-planes-from-uk-under-no-deal-brexit
Very messy with French Minister indicating they may have to stop planes flying into or overflying France
( ....many of us thought they had already , but that's another story :) )
Tit for tat as the French probably haven't thought about the UK blocking airspace to ALL flights overflying UK effectively stopping not just the French but ALL EU-US flights for EXACTLY the same reason!
An idea mentioned by Ian Duncan Smith should technical compliance be raised funnily enough by the French!
Presumably if the UK doesn't have internationally recognised certification for it's aircraft I can see that being a problem not just for flights into France but into the EU as a whole and elsewhere. I don't think it has much to do with what a particular French/UK politician wants or doesn't want.. It's a bit like Euratom and internation movement of radioisotopes/ technology after Brexit, without international agreement it becomes legally impossible. I think it's more likely agreement will be reached but all remaining UK owned airlines will change ownership to majority ownership by an EU country before April 19 and UK citizens may need to apply for a visa waiver (with a fee) to travel to the EU. Looking at the pattern of negotiations so far at each stage the UK starts by talking tough before signing up to all EU requirements at the last minute. I think we will see this again with the UK signing up to whatever the EU put on the table at the end of the day. We will no longer be rule makers but rule takers and that will be the legacy of Brexit in my view. It will be Brexit in name only.