View Full Version : AOA pushing for part time rosters, wtf!!
Xwindldg
31st Aug 2018, 10:10
When did this get added to the list? Why is this something we should stay in CC for?
Veruka Salt
31st Aug 2018, 10:26
Who says we’re in CC for part time rosters? Stop trying to stoke-up anxiety & read the fecking update carefully.
Xwindldg
31st Aug 2018, 10:54
It is one of the items that they are saying the "NC has been directed to negotiate". It never ends, amazing!
Veruka Salt
31st Aug 2018, 11:12
Nothing to do with CC. Get back to your desk.
Liam Gallagher
31st Aug 2018, 11:48
I'm with Xwindldg.... When was part-time rostering placed on the shopping list? I don't recall reading about it in any GC candidate's manifesto and I have seen no position papers from the GC introducing this topic. It's clearly come from "left field" from within the GC.
No doubt there will be someone along shortly to tell me how wonderful part-time rostering will be for them and maybe it will be wonderful for me, but I cannot accept it will be wonderful all members. It's definitely a case of "winners" and "losers". Compare part-time work to guaranteed 13th month.... Now that's important and highly relevant to 99% of members, but doesn't even rate a mention. What short memories we have.
Veruka Salt is technically correct, we are not in CC/TB for part-time work, but if the GC is now saying they require resolution on Part-time work before they will place a vote for RPs and HKPA before the membership, then in practical terms we will remain in CC/TB until Part-time work is resolved. It really becomes semantics, because it's seems we are indeed now in CC/TB for Part-time work, whether the membership likes it or not.......
I want the mail boxes and the salt and pepper shakers to be included!
Xwindldg
31st Aug 2018, 12:33
Originally it was just rostering, HKPA and housing. According to the latest update only HKPA needs an agreement so just focus on that.
Xwindldg
31st Aug 2018, 12:37
And CK had access to the AOA forums as an associate member, how can that be a good idea? He is the guy we are negotiating against and he can log in and see what the members are saying anytime.
We have members that are married to each other where a part time roster would let them raise a family, others may have a sick partner/child/parent and need to be there as a care giver. The FAU have been far more successful in obtaining rostering practices that are far more family friendly.
Been discussed on the forums and at AOA meetings, if you feel so strongly about it as a member put it forward as a motion and get someone to second you and put it to a vote. This is not the place.
Origjnally CC did not include HKPA, it was an addition.
Associate members do not have access to the forums or meetings.
Xwindldg
31st Aug 2018, 12:50
I'm sure there are some who want a part time roster, but why weren't the membership asked if that is something they are prepared to stay in CC for? Being in CC for many years is actually a bad thing for lots of us. Part time rostering should be set aside until the important issues (rostering, HKPA and housing) are sorted.
BubbaJ
31st Aug 2018, 12:52
FFS can we stop beating a dead horse around HKPA
They won't pay significantly more, it ain't going to change, it's what you signed on for so if you are not happy with it...LEAVE
As many have said before me, all the information was out there before you joined!
Part time rostering WTF? That is a little left field AOA, surely we have better things to concentrate on.
Xwindldg
31st Aug 2018, 12:52
Part time rostering isn't something the company has taken from us or gone back on. When you signed your contract it was for a full time position.
Part time rostering isn't something the company has taken from us or gone back on. When you signed your contract it was for a full time position.
Let me correct that for you
”HKPA isn't something the company has taken from us or gone back on. When you signed your contract it was for a full time position based in Hong Kong.”
Woukd you like you position to be better ? if yes then it is done via negotiations with the company. Not via b******g on pprune.
If you have actually read the update, and not just skimmed through it you will understand that the annual negotiations are not just about CC, they are about making everyone’s position better. One day that maybe you who needs something you did not originally sign for.
Part time rosters obviously scored highly on the HKAOA survey. Therefore, a majority want them. It, however, does not mean that you are in CC for it. The email quite clearly states what members are in CC for.
Xwindldg
31st Aug 2018, 13:26
Adding things to the list without telling us is bull###t. Keep it simple with the 3 things that involve everyone and were what we thought this was actually about. Deal with the minor things like part time roster once we are out of CC.
Xwindldg
31st Aug 2018, 13:29
rsb
it's on the list of critical items they say need to be negotiated. We are in CC for it by default now
Xwindldg
31st Aug 2018, 13:33
Keeping ARAPA and an increase in HKPA is what we should be focusing on. Everything else is noise that makes us look like amatures trying to throw in extras every 5 minutes.
Air Profit
31st Aug 2018, 13:39
Talk about 'expectation management'. Basically, CX gets to pay us half as much as a real airline job, but then work stack us during our duty days to effectively get almost as much work out of us as you would do in a normal month at a legacy carrier. I have colleagues who work at US airlines who get 16-20 days off per month, and that is full time/full pay. CX will be laughing all the way to the bank if they manage to con us into this scenario. Based on our prior history, that should be a no brainer.
Slasher1
1st Sep 2018, 01:06
Talk about 'expectation management'. Basically, CX gets to pay us half as much as a real airline job, but then work stack us during our duty days to effectively get almost as much work out of us as you would do in a normal month at a legacy carrier. I have colleagues who work at US airlines who get 16-20 days off per month, and that is full time/full pay. CX will be laughing all the way to the bank if they manage to con us into this scenario. Based on our prior history, that should be a no brainer.
Spot on.
We’ve all experienced work stacking around leave.
It it is a scam.
Right now, in your contract, you have 92-ish GDOs, 42 vacation days and effectively 90 sick days at full pay available in your contract. The company has to schedule 900 hours around this while complying with FTLs. Which is why it is structured the way that it is.
So it’s an hours — not days — driven process.
With a part time roster it is very likely the company could still accomplish scheduling the lions share of 900 hours around whatever they might give you. By taking the part time you decrease your hourly pay while solving the FTL issue for them by using your own time and pay sacrifice.
So you will work more for less.
In order to maximise productivity for those on a part time roster, they will probably end up doing more long haul. Consequently, those on a full time roster will most likely see an increase in regional flying.